Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
Rob Owens wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Yup, no problem as long as you have some unpartitioned disk space on your hard drive. If not, you can use gparted from a live cd to shrink your windows partition. It might be that you need to defragment (in windows!) your partition first. If this all sound too complicated, getting a second hard drive and installing linux on that is of course also an option. Sjoerd Just to be clear, is gparted smart enough not to shrink the partition so much that it cuts off data from the partition? In other words, does it only use the empty space at the end of the partition? g or qtparted both show you how much space is used on each partition. Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:30:06PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Yup, no problem as long as you have some unpartitioned disk space on your hard drive. If not, you can use gparted from a live cd to shrink your windows partition. It might be that you need to defragment (in windows!) your partition first. If this all sound too complicated, getting a second hard drive and installing linux on that is of course also an option. Sjoerd Just to be clear, is gparted smart enough not to shrink the partition so much that it cuts off data from the partition? In other words, does it only use the empty space at the end of the partition? g or qtparted both show you how much space is used on each partition. Thanks for the info. To save myself some experimenting, do you know if it simply identifies the amount of data on the partition, or the amount of real estate that data occupies. For instance, a very small amount of data could be spread across 80% of the partition, if it is badly fragmented. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Rob Owensrow...@ptd.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:30:06PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Yup, no problem as long as you have some unpartitioned disk space on your hard drive. If not, you can use gparted from a live cd to shrink your windows partition. It might be that you need to defragment (in windows!) your partition first. If this all sound too complicated, getting a second hard drive and installing linux on that is of course also an option. Sjoerd Just to be clear, is gparted smart enough not to shrink the partition so much that it cuts off data from the partition? In other words, does it only use the empty space at the end of the partition? g or qtparted both show you how much space is used on each partition. Thanks for the info. To save myself some experimenting, do you know if it simply identifies the amount of data on the partition, or the amount of real estate that data occupies. For instance, a very small amount of data could be spread across 80% of the partition, if it is badly fragmented. From what I remember, gparted wouldn't repartition a frag'd drive. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:48:47AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat,27.Jun.09, 22:57:30, Zachary Uram wrote: […] Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. With so much RAM swap only serves as backup. 1-2 GB should be ok. If the OP is going to use hibernate or suspend to disk then I believe the consensus is that the swap size should at least be equal to the RAM size. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Yup, no problem as long as you have some unpartitioned disk space on your hard drive. If not, you can use gparted from a live cd to shrink your windows partition. It might be that you need to defragment (in windows!) your partition first. If this all sound too complicated, getting a second hard drive and installing linux on that is of course also an option. Sjoerd Just to be clear, is gparted smart enough not to shrink the partition so much that it cuts off data from the partition? In other words, does it only use the empty space at the end of the partition? -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
Alan Greenberger ha scritto: On 2009-06-28, Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. Also how do I setup GRUB to then dual boot Vista and Debian? I've only used LILO as my boot manager in the past? Regards, Zach It may be safer to let Vista shrink its own partition: In Start/searchbar type Computer Management Computer Management / Storage / Disk Management right click on C: / Shrink Volume quote - that's how I did it on my laptop. As for your other question - how to partition? is a faq, with around 1234567 possible answers; as for grub, it detects vista automagically (as Vista/Longhonrn) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
Le 29/06/2009 13:37, Lorenzo Beretta a écrit : Alan Greenberger ha scritto: On 2009-06-28, Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. Also how do I setup GRUB to then dual boot Vista and Debian? I've only used LILO as my boot manager in the past? Regards, Zach It may be safer to let Vista shrink its own partition: In Start/searchbar type Computer Management Computer Management / Storage / Disk Management right click on C: / Shrink Volume quote - that's how I did it on my laptop. As for your other question - how to partition? is a faq, with around 1234567 possible answers; as for grub, it detects vista automagically (as Vista/Longhonrn) Hi, if it can help.. I've installed ma debian (on a laptop) alongside vista using 'gparted' on a bootable cd. I didn't need vista to make room. After that i installed ma debian (netinstall squeeze) and indeed, grub detected vista and made my menu.list. b.r. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
mess-mate wrote: Le 29/06/2009 13:37, Lorenzo Beretta a écrit : Alan Greenberger ha scritto: On 2009-06-28, Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. Also how do I setup GRUB to then dual boot Vista and Debian? I've only used LILO as my boot manager in the past? Regards, Zach It may be safer to let Vista shrink its own partition: In Start/searchbar type Computer Management Computer Management / Storage / Disk Management right click on C: / Shrink Volume quote - that's how I did it on my laptop. As for your other question - how to partition? is a faq, with around 1234567 possible answers; as for grub, it detects vista automagically (as Vista/Longhonrn) Hi, if it can help.. I've installed ma debian (on a laptop) alongside vista using 'gparted' on a bootable cd. I didn't need vista to make room. After that i installed ma debian (netinstall squeeze) and indeed, grub detected vista and made my menu.list. b.r. Yup, no problem as long as you have some unpartitioned disk space on your hard drive. If not, you can use gparted from a live cd to shrink your windows partition. It might be that you need to defragment (in windows!) your partition first. If this all sound too complicated, getting a second hard drive and installing linux on that is of course also an option. Sjoerd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Mon,29.Jun.09, 18:00:09, mess-mate wrote: quote - that's how I did it on my laptop. As for your other question - how to partition? is a faq, with around 1234567 possible answers; as for grub, it detects vista automagically (as Vista/Longhonrn) Hi, if it can help.. I've installed ma debian (on a laptop) alongside vista using 'gparted' on a bootable cd. I didn't need vista to make room. After that i installed ma debian (netinstall squeeze) and indeed, grub detected vista and made my menu.list. Nitpick: grub doesn't write the initial menu.lst, but the installer. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Sat,27.Jun.09, 22:57:30, Zachary Uram wrote: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. Most probably, but the installers partitioning utility can confirm that for you. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. If you know your way with partitions it is quite easy to do it from within the installer with Manual partitioning (you might want to choose the GUI version). Do make sure to backup any essential data whenever you touch the partition layout. Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. With so much RAM swap only serves as backup. 1-2 GB should be ok. 125 GB for Debian / is... a waste :) I think something like 50 GB will be more than enough. Leave the rest for /home because this is where all user data will go. Even if you manage to fill up the 50 GB, you can always resize /home to create /var or /usr partitions. Also how do I setup GRUB to then dual boot Vista and Debian? I've only used LILO as my boot manager in the past? You don't need to worry about it. The installer will detect your Vista install (it will tell you so) and it will add a special boot entry in the grub menu. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. I used to use PartitionMagic to shrink Windows partitions. Not sure if it still works with Vista, but I would think the newest version has support for it. A free vesion is gparted, but I have never used this. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Sunday 28 June 2009 09:50:52 John L Fjellstad wrote: Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. I used to use PartitionMagic to shrink Windows partitions. Not sure if it still works with Vista, but I would think the newest version has support for it. A free vesion is gparted, but I have never used this. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Live gparted cd works fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Thierry Chatelettchate...@free.fr wrote: On Sunday 28 June 2009 09:50:52 John L Fjellstad wrote: Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. I used to use PartitionMagic to shrink Windows partitions. Not sure if it still works with Vista, but I would think the newest version has support for it. A free vesion is gparted, but I have never used this. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Live gparted cd works fine. +1 (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) Also, if I remember correctly, my MS partition had to be defrag'd. I used a third party program (don't recall which one) because it was my understanding that the one that comes with MS will not do in such a way that is conducive to sharing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 07:08:20AM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Thierry Chatelettchate...@free.fr wrote: On Sunday 28 June 2009 09:50:52 John L Fjellstad wrote: Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. I used to use PartitionMagic to shrink Windows partitions. Not sure if it still works with Vista, but I would think the newest version has support for it. A free vesion is gparted, but I have never used this. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Live gparted cd works fine. +1 (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) Also, if I remember correctly, my MS partition had to be defrag'd. I used a third party program (don't recall which one) because it was my understanding that the one that comes with MS will not do in such a way that is conducive to sharing. I've used a program called DirMS on Windows XP to defrag and move all contents to the front of the partition. You can verify the location of the files afterwards using the built-in Windows defrag tool (just choose analyze). One potential problem is that there are certain system files that Windows will not allow to be moved. So if they are spread all over your drive, resizing could be difficult. I believe they are denoted in green color when using the built-in Windows defrag tool. After you've defragged and moved files to the front of the partition, you can estimate how much you can reduce your Windows partition without cutting off your Windows files. Overall, I think the easiest thing to do is grab an old hard drive and throw it in your box and put Debian on that (or maybe put Windows on that, but that's more work). Virtualization is also a good idea, already suggested by someone else. I've used VirtualBox with good results. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On 2009-06-28, Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. Also how do I setup GRUB to then dual boot Vista and Debian? I've only used LILO as my boot manager in the past? Regards, Zach It may be safer to let Vista shrink its own partition: In Start/searchbar type Computer Management Computer Management / Storage / Disk Management right click on C: / Shrink Volume -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
On Sunday 28 June 2009 14:50:27 Rob Owens wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 07:08:20AM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Thierry Chatelettchate...@free.fr wrote: On Sunday 28 June 2009 09:50:52 John L Fjellstad wrote: Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. I used to use PartitionMagic to shrink Windows partitions. Not sure if it still works with Vista, but I would think the newest version has support for it. A free vesion is gparted, but I have never used this. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Live gparted cd works fine. +1 (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) Also, if I remember correctly, my MS partition had to be defrag'd. I used a third party program (don't recall which one) because it was my understanding that the one that comes with MS will not do in such a way that is conducive to sharing. I have shrink vista partition on 4 laptop lately, using gparted with no problem. Did not even defrag before hand( Maybe not the best practice). Vista, when restarting had to check its partition to re-index all its file (I believe???), took a long time, but it restarted after that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
Hi, I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit) installed on it. Not sure if that is 1 huge partition or not. I assume it is NTFS. Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed. Also what do you recommend for swap size (it has 4GB ram) and just have 1 big root partition with everything on it or split 125GB for root / and 125GB for /home partitions. Also how do I setup GRUB to then dual boot Vista and Debian? I've only used LILO as my boot manager in the past? Regards, Zach -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: Installing Debian alongside Windows Vista?
Zachary Uram wrote: I have a 500GB disk which has Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium ... Can someone please tell me exactly what I must do to shrink the Vista install by 50% and install Debian squeeze (64bit AMD) on the 250GB partition that will be freed ... (it has 4GB ram) ... I did dual boot ~10 years ago. Then I discovered hard drive mobile docks and bought a second drive. Then as I bought newer computers, I put Linux on some and Windows on others. Now there is free (as in beer and/or as in freedom) virtual machine software for Windows, Linux, and others. Virtualization is very liberating -- you can backup/restore VM images with copy/paste, zip/unzip, etc., you can version control VM images, you can deploy VM images to different/multiple VM hosts, etc.. Best of all, you can experiment with impunity -- a shutdown/restore/start cycle takes only minutes. Contrast that to imaging/re-imaging a Vista/Linux dual-boot hard drive (a non-trivial problem) or re-installing from scratch and re-activating Vista (2 activations by Internet, then you need to telephone Microsoft and convince them you're not a pirate). Virtualization saves tremendous amounts of time, effort, and expense. I recommend that you leave Windows alone, download/install the VM technology of your choice (VMWare, Microsoft, Sun, etc.), and download/run or build/run a Debian VM. HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
