Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
Happy New Year everyone! I have a problem which I know someone else had recently on the list and there was a (slightly complicated) solution. But I am not succeeding in finding the thread. PEBKAC, obviously, since I am sure that it is there. I want to install Squeeze on a box in/on which the on board network card is not recognised in Squeeze. The simple solution is just put a different network in the box temporarily while I install. But this box is for a present, it is black, it comes without spare blanking plates, and those already there have to be snapped out, and cannot be replaced. I am not keen to spoil the looks as it is a present. So could any kind soul point me at the relevant thread? It was fairly recent. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212291100.50758.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I have a problem which I know someone else had recently on the list and there was a (slightly complicated) solution. But I am not succeeding in finding the thread. PEBKAC, obviously, since I am sure that it is there. I want to install Squeeze on a box in/on which the on board network card is not recognised in Squeeze. The simple solution is just put a different network in the box temporarily while I install. But this box is for a present, it is black, it comes without spare blanking plates, and those already there have to be snapped out, and cannot be replaced. I am not keen to spoil the looks as it is a present. So could any kind soul point me at the relevant thread? It was fairly recent. What's the solution to use one of the following? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.6/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxp3hb-otn5suswucgqsjo_jot4xgr7ycgse5xef7z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Saturday 29 December 2012 11:19:31 Tom H wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I have a problem which I know someone else had recently on the list and there was a (slightly complicated) solution. But I am not succeeding in finding the thread. PEBKAC, obviously, since I am sure that it is there. I want to install Squeeze on a box in/on which the on board network card is not recognised in Squeeze. The simple solution is just put a different network in the box temporarily while I install. But this box is for a present, it is black, it comes without spare blanking plates, and those already there have to be snapped out, and cannot be replaced. I am not keen to spoil the looks as it is a present. So could any kind soul point me at the relevant thread? It was fairly recent. What's the solution to use one of the following? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware /6.0.6/ Thanks for the answer, Tom. The driver is free and is in the kernel, just not in the kernel which comes with Squeeze. I need the kernel in squeeze backports, 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64, which I know works fine. Since it is free, it is not going to be in non-free repositories. For the record, the driver/module I need is atl1c. But I can't find it separately to have available during the installation. I know that someone posted recently how to install a backports kernel during installation, which would solve my problem, but I can't find it. But instructions on how to have atl1c available, would be equally welcome. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212291214.53552.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2012 11:19:31 Tom H wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I have a problem which I know someone else had recently on the list and there was a (slightly complicated) solution. But I am not succeeding in finding the thread. PEBKAC, obviously, since I am sure that it is there. I want to install Squeeze on a box in/on which the on board network card is not recognised in Squeeze. The simple solution is just put a different network in the box temporarily while I install. But this box is for a present, it is black, it comes without spare blanking plates, and those already there have to be snapped out, and cannot be replaced. I am not keen to spoil the looks as it is a present. So could any kind soul point me at the relevant thread? It was fairly recent. What's the solution to use one of the following? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware /6.0.6/ Thanks for the answer, Tom. The driver is free and is in the kernel, just not in the kernel which comes with Squeeze. I need the kernel in squeeze backports, 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64, which I know works fine. Since it is free, it is not going to be in non-free repositories. For the record, the driver/module I need is atl1c. But I can't find it separately to have available during the installation. I know that someone posted recently how to install a backports kernel during installation, which would solve my problem, but I can't find it. But instructions on how to have atl1c available, would be equally welcome. You're welcome. Kenshi Muto provides installers with backported kernels so he might have one/some with atl1c. You can also insmod the atl1c kernel module from a flash drive during installation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=syyv9i5ghqprttq-+hkz_r_atax_sljdfy5jh65_gn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:00:50 -0500 (EST), Lisi Reisz wrote: Happy New Year everyone! I have a problem which I know someone else had recently on the list and there was a (slightly complicated) solution. But I am not succeeding in finding the thread. PEBKAC, obviously, since I am sure that it is there. I want to install Squeeze on a box in/on which the on board network card is not recognised in Squeeze. The simple solution is just put a different network in the box temporarily while I install. But this box is for a present, it is black, it comes without spare blanking plates, and those already there have to be snapped out, and cannot be replaced. I am not keen to spoil the looks as it is a present. So could any kind soul point me at the relevant thread? It was fairly recent. I don't recall the thread to which you are referring, Lisi, but from the subject line it sounds like the standard squeeze kernel does not contain the necessary drivers you need for the built-in network card but a later kernel does. Is that right? Yet you want to install squeeze and not wheezy? I believe if it were me, I'd install wheezy, using the latest wheezy installer. wheezy is already in the frozen state, and will probably become the stable release in a couple of months anyway. My wife's computer, which until recently ran squeeze, recently had a problem. The version of iceweasel which comes with squeeze couldn't handle some upgrades that Yahoo made to their web mail interface. Fields were overlapping. It was apparently a bug in iceweasel or a new feature that the Yahoo site was exploiting that was not supported in the old version of iceweasel. I suppose that I could have installed a newer version of iceweasel from backports, but due to the age of squeeze, I decided to upgrade to wheezy. Problem solved. As an alternative, you might try a PCMCIA / PC card network adapter, if your computer has a slot for these devices, or perhaps a USB network adapter that squeeze supports. Installing squeeze with the wheezy installer might work, since the latest wheezy installer presumably uses a kernel that supports the built-in network adapter. But then, after installation, you will need to boot your system in rescue mode to install a backported kernel, and the procedure will be non-standard (i.e. wget and dpkg -i, probably). In short, I'd install wheezy if I were you. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/530238282.488344.1356789125073.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Saturday 29 December 2012 13:24:58 Tom H wrote: Kenshi Muto provides installers with backported kernels so he might have one/some with atl1c. Thanks, Tom. I didn't know that. Downloading now You can also insmod the atl1c kernel module from a flash drive during installation. I couldn't find it. I was probably looking wrongly. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212291416.56102.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2012 13:24:58 Tom H wrote: Kenshi Muto provides installers with backported kernels so he might have one/some with atl1c. Thanks, Tom. I didn't know that. Downloading now You're welcome. Hope it's got what you need. You can also insmod the atl1c kernel module from a flash drive during installation. I couldn't find it. I was probably looking wrongly. :-( Did you mount it? :) Was the filesystem fat or ext2? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swupaoa4vfhs6xtgfec8k5syckditqhc+_jweqcvqx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Saturday 29 December 2012 13:52:05 Stephen Powell wrote: I want to install Squeeze on a box in/on which the on board network card is not recognised in Squeeze. The simple solution is just put a different network card in the box temporarily while I install. But this box is for a present, it is black, it comes without spare blanking plates, and those already there have to be snapped out, and cannot be replaced. I am not keen to spoil the looks as it is a present. So could any kind soul point me at the relevant thread? It was fairly recent. I don't recall the thread to which you are referring, Lisi, but from the subject line it sounds like the standard squeeze kernel does not contain the necessary drivers you need for the built-in network card but a later kernel does. Is that right? Yes. Yet you want to install squeeze and not wheezy? I believe if it were me, I'd install wheezy, using the latest wheezy installer. My first thought too. My husband has specifically requested Stable, not Testing, and KDE3. If I could give him a stable system, I don't think that he would care - or even know - that it is not Stable. Getting Trinity to work stably on Wheezy was likely to be a challenge, but well worth a try. So yesterday I downloaded yesterday's daily build and installed it. All went swimmingly until I tried to reboot. Nada. There was nothing there, or anyhow the BIOS couldn't see it. This may have been partly because Windows had been installed. %*£%^! I buy from that firm *because* they don't preinstall Windows unless you specifically ask (and pay for!) it. It took some getting rid of, so my temper was a little short by the time I came to Debian and, I thought, sanity. I won't bore you with all the problems, but they were legion. And - sadly the tin hat on it - TDE (aka KDE3) is still rather shaky on Wheezy. I could get it going, but I am not sure how stable it would be. Had Wheezy installed OK I would have tried it, but as it didn't that rather settled the matter! [snip] I shall try Kenshi Muto's CD and take it from there. As an alternative, you might try a PCMCIA / PC card network adapter, if your computer has a slot for these devices, see above. :-( In short, I'd install wheezy if I were you. Yes, I would if I were me too. I use TDE, but it is quite stable enough on Wheezy for me. But it is a present for my husband's 80th birthday. I have talked about what he wants in terms of a reinstall on his old computer, and he is both clear and adamant. He hates change, so I added as an inducement that he could only have Squeeze for a limited amount of time now anyway. In this case, he'd rather have change and go to Wheezy when he has to do so. He is away at the moment, and I want to have it up and running when he comes back in the middle of the week. Thanks for the help. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212291512.38306.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Saturday 29 December 2012 14:30:02 Tom H wrote: Did you mount it? :) Was the filesystem fat or ext2? I couldn't find the kernel module to download it in the first place!! Just vast numbers of hits telling me that I needed a newer kernel. Since I already knew that, it didn't help much. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212291514.58089.lisi.re...@gmail.com
CURRENTLY INSOLUBLE was:Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Saturday 29 December 2012 14:16:56 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2012 13:24:58 Tom H wrote: Kenshi Muto provides installers with backported kernels so he might have one/some with atl1c. Thanks, Tom. I didn't know that. Downloading now Sadly, after seeming to install fine, it has failed to boot. :-( It is exactly the same motherboard as in the one I built for myself a few months ago. Mine installed straight off without any real problems. I had to install a temporary network card, but that was no big deal. This one is being a constant nightmare. It seems to be impossible to install any Debian. I am at a loss to know what to try next. Other, of course, than writing a stiff letter to the managing director of teh firm I bought it from. It is behaving progressively worse. I think that something must in fact be damaged. It won't even start booting up now, not even the post screen or the BIOS options. :-( And I was so looking forward to having it all set up for when my husband got home. Thanks for all the help, guys. Lisi
Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2012 14:30:02 Tom H wrote: Did you mount it? :) Was the filesystem fat or ext2? I couldn't find the kernel module to download it in the first place!! Just vast numbers of hits telling me that I needed a newer kernel. Since I already knew that, it didn't help much. :-( Oh. I thought that you meant that you had a flash drive but couldn't insmod from it. Sorry. If the 6.0 repos have it, you can search for it with apt-file. If the 6.0 repos don't have it, you can set up non-standard sources.list and cache locations for 7.0 (so as not to overwrite the 6.0 files) and search for it. Once you find it, you can download the deb (apt-get download ...), specifying the sources.list and cache locations used for 7.0 if that's where it is. Then ar x deb (you'll need binutils for ar) and cp the file out of ./lib/modules/ For the download, I'd suggest creating and cd'ing to a temporary directory that you'd delete once you copy the file that you need out of it. (You could download the source of that package and untar it, etc, but the deb's simpler for something like this.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sy-y7ouhmmnpyvs6lzot2ucds_nc40evwebow+1jb0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: CURRENTLY INSOLUBLE was:Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On 12/29/2012 11:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2012 14:16:56 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2012 13:24:58 Tom H wrote: Kenshi Muto provides installers with backported kernels so he might have one/some with atl1c. Thanks, Tom. I didn't know that. Downloading now Sadly, after seeming to install fine, it has failed to boot. :-( It is exactly the same motherboard as in the one I built for myself a few months ago. Mine installed straight off without any real problems. I had to install a temporary network card, but that was no big deal. This one is being a constant nightmare. It seems to be impossible to install any Debian. I am at a loss to know what to try next. Other, of course, than writing a stiff letter to the managing director of teh firm I bought it from. It is behaving progressively worse. I think that something must in fact be damaged. It won't even start booting up now, not even the post screen or the BIOS options. :-( And I was so looking forward to having it all set up for when my husband got home. Thanks for all the help, guys. Lisi Lisi, Hmmm, sounds like you have a major problem now - possibly that was coming on before you tried to install Debian, which would explain the problem. If you don't get the POST screen or BIOS options, you've got hardware problems well beyond anything Debian (or Windoze, for that matter) could cause. Is the system still under warranty? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50df29b2.8030...@attglobal.net
Re: CURRENTLY INSOLUBLE was:Re: Installing a backported kernel on Squeeze at an early stage.
On Saturday 29 December 2012 17:34:42 Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/29/2012 11:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: It is behaving progressively worse. I think that something must in fact be damaged. It won't even start booting up now, not even the post screen or the BIOS options. :-( And I was so looking forward to having it all set up for when my husband got home. Thanks for all the help, guys. Lisi Lisi, Hmmm, sounds like you have a major problem now - possibly that was coming on before you tried to install Debian, which would explain the problem. Yes, I realise that now. :-( If you don't get the POST screen or BIOS options, you've got hardware problems well beyond anything Debian (or Windoze, for that matter) could cause. Is the system still under warranty? It's brand new. This was supposed to be the initial set-up. That's why I am so fed up. I wanted my husband to get his shiny new system, all set up and working, as his 80th birthday present, as soon as he got home; instead of which he hasn't got a computer to use at all, since I have dismantled the old system. And he is my transport. If the store will immediately accept responsibility, I can I suppose get a taxi (cab) there, and then back, but I am still fed up. Again, thanks, guys. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212291811.29178.lisi.re...@gmail.com
