Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315 [finished]
On 5/12/24 21:30, David Wright wrote: On Sun 12 May 2024 at 21:10:16 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote: On 5/9/2024 1:59 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 9 May 2024 09:32:32 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: The error I'm getting is during "Install base system." The only way I knew to save the log was with a camera. Even though I resized the image this list apparently didn't allow the attachment. How else can I save the log during install? Installation logs are saved during installation to the target's /var/log/installer/. You can save them to a USB stick after installation is complete, or reboot and find them. Is this possible if the base installation failed? If so, how? Depends on how it failed. The last three entries in the main menu are: Save debug logs Execute a shell Abort the installation You can use the first one and follow its instructions. You can use the second, and type suitable mount/cp/umount commands to achieve the same thing. During the installation, if you get a shell, then # more /var/log/syslog will allow you to pick over the logs, rather like less does, with the disadvantage that you can't go backwards. If you overshoot the lines of interest, you have to run the more command again. This weeks version of the testing net install worked completely. Sending this from Thunderbird on the new system. Thank you everyone who helped, Paul Cheers, David.
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On Sun 12 May 2024 at 21:10:16 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote: > On 5/9/2024 1:59 PM, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 9 May 2024 09:32:32 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > > > > > The error I'm getting is during "Install base system." The only way > > > I knew to save the log was with a camera. Even though I resized the > > > image this list apparently didn't allow the attachment. How else can > > > I save the log during install? > > Installation logs are saved during installation to the target's > > /var/log/installer/. You can save them to a USB stick after > > installation is complete, or reboot and find them. > > Is this possible if the base installation failed? If so, how? Depends on how it failed. The last three entries in the main menu are: Save debug logs Execute a shell Abort the installation You can use the first one and follow its instructions. You can use the second, and type suitable mount/cp/umount commands to achieve the same thing. During the installation, if you get a shell, then # more /var/log/syslog will allow you to pick over the logs, rather like less does, with the disadvantage that you can't go backwards. If you overshoot the lines of interest, you have to run the more command again. Cheers, David.
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 5/9/2024 1:59 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 9 May 2024 09:32:32 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: The error I'm getting is during "Install base system." The only way I knew to save the log was with a camera. Even though I resized the image this list apparently didn't allow the attachment. How else can I save the log during install? Installation logs are saved during installation to the target's /var/log/installer/. You can save them to a USB stick after installation is complete, or reboot and find them. Is this possible if the base installation failed? If so, how? TIA, Paul
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On Thu, 9 May 2024 09:32:32 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > The error I'm getting is during "Install base system." The only way > I knew to save the log was with a camera. Even though I resized the > image this list apparently didn't allow the attachment. How else can > I save the log during install? Installation logs are saved during installation to the target's /var/log/installer/. You can save them to a USB stick after installation is complete, or reboot and find them. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 5/2/2024 11:31 PM, Sirius wrote: I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, Check the PCI ids of your Ethernet controller. Download the kernel image you are considering, check if any of its modules matches these ids. n I may need to do that. Thank you, In the mean time, an install seemed to be working but gave an failure error which said it would be in the log and visible on virtual terminal 4, These only work for me after opening a shell from the installer menu. That's fine now that I understand. The error screen just doesn't say that. The error I'm getting is during "Install base system." The only way I knew to save the log was with a camera. Even though I resized the image this list apparently didn't allow the attachment. How else can I save the log during install? TIA, Paul
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 03/05/2024 12:16, Paul Scott wrote: I don't have linux on the machine for which I want the information. I now have the driver name from Windows/Settings. Booting a live image may help to evaluate if hardware is supported and to get lspci output. Even when windows is booted, it should be possible to find VendorID-ProductID pairs in device properties and search on https://linux-hardware.org/ and other sources.
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 04/05/2024 13:52, Paul Scott wrote: On 5/3/2024 11:25 PM, Max Nikulin wrote: It may happen that F4 is not F4 unless you press and hold Fn first. It is default on some laptops and may be changed in firmware setup. Inst all docs say Left Alt F4 but no combination of other keys with F4 worked. On my laptop F4 worked as increase screen brightness (XF86MonBrightnessUp) out of the box. I have not tried it with Alt. That is why [Fn+Alt+F4] was necessary to get the action described for [Alt+F4]. Have you tried [Alt+F1] ([Fn+Alt+F1]), F2, and other F-digit keys instead of F4? Obviously vt with log is not available on the stage of grub boot menu. I don't understand that for this install case, Due to lack of details, I am unsure at which installation stage you faced issues. That is why I decided to rule out the case that you stuck when grub boot menu appeared.
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 5/3/2024 11:25 PM, Max Nikulin wrote: On 03/05/2024 13:27, Paul Scott wrote: In the mean time, an install seemed to be working but gave an failure error which said it would be in the log and visible on virtual terminal 4, I didn't know how to get to a virtual in the installer. Various combinations with F4 didn't seem to work. It may happen that F4 is not F4 unless you press and hold Fn first. It is default on some laptops and may be changed in firmware setup. Inst all docs say Left Alt F4 but no combination of other keys with F4 worked. Fortunately I was given the opportunity to execute a shell which showed modules not on the installation media. I will try different iso's Obviously vt with log is not available on the stage of grub boot menu. I don't understand that for this install case, Thank you, Paul
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 03/05/2024 13:27, Paul Scott wrote: In the mean time, an install seemed to be working but gave an failure error which said it would be in the log and visible on virtual terminal 4, I didn't know how to get to a virtual in the installer. Various combinations with F4 didn't seem to work. It may happen that F4 is not F4 unless you press and hold Fn first. It is default on some laptops and may be changed in firmware setup. Obviously vt with log is not available on the stage of grub boot menu.
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On Fri, 3 May 2024 at 06:27, Paul Scott wrote: > On 5/1/2024 10:44 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > > Paul Scott (12024-05-01): >>>I have many installs over many years (only a few per year).. [...] >>> I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, [...] > In the mean time, an install seemed to be working but gave an failure > error which said it would be in the log and visible on virtual terminal > 4, I didn't know how to get to a virtual in the installer. Various > combinations with F4 didn't seem to work. > Google didn't seem to help. Hi, there is an official Debian Installation Guide containing a lot of useful information. > Can someone tell me how to get to a virtual terminal in the installer? Due to the amount of detail in the Installation Guide, it can be hard to find specific answers, so it's advisable to read the whole thing. Your specific question is covered in a couple of places: https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/ch06s01.en.html (section 6.1 paragraph 10) https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/ch06s03.en.html#di-miscellaneous (section 6.3.9.2) Also, this is a bad time to try to install the 'Testing' distribution. It is currently undergoing major transition and might well contain many broken/incompatible packages. See: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/64bit-time https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg380111.html and ongoing messages in that thread and mailing list
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
In days of yore (Thu, 02 May 2024), Paul Scott thus quoth: > > On 5/1/2024 10:44 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > > Paul Scott (12024-05-01): > > > I read that I should try a more complete image which I am downloading > > > (jigdo) now. > > Waste of time. The drivers are either in the kernel image or in > > individual packages, you can install them on top of what you have. > > > > > I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, > > Check the PCI ids of your Ethernet controller. Download the kernel image > > you are considering, check if any of its modules matches these ids. n > > I may need to do that. Thank you, > > In the mean time, an install seemed to be working but gave an failure > error which said it would be in the log and visible on virtual terminal 4, > I didn't know how to get to a virtual in the installer. Various > combinations with F4 didn't seem to work. > > Google didn't seem to help. Can someone tell me how to get to a virtual > terminal in the installer? Control-Alt-F4 should get you to vc4. It might be enough with Alt-F4 if it is text-mode installation, but if you are doing a GUI install (Wayland or X running) you need the Control-Alt combo. -- Kind regards, /S
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 5/1/2024 10:44 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Paul Scott (12024-05-01): I read that I should try a more complete image which I am downloading (jigdo) now. Waste of time. The drivers are either in the kernel image or in individual packages, you can install them on top of what you have. I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, Check the PCI ids of your Ethernet controller. Download the kernel image you are considering, check if any of its modules matches these ids. n I may need to do that. Thank you, In the mean time, an install seemed to be working but gave an failure error which said it would be in the log and visible on virtual terminal 4, I didn't know how to get to a virtual in the installer. Various combinations with F4 didn't seem to work. Google didn't seem to help. Can someone tell me how to get to a virtual terminal in the installer? TIA Paul Regards,
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 5/2/2024 8:06 PM, Max Nikulin wrote: On 02/05/2024 12:19, Sirius wrote: If your wifi is also the AX200 (maybe a different revision), it *should* work. lspci -nn may help with more precise identification. I don't have linux on the machine for which I want the information. I now have the driver name from Windows/Settings. It requires firmware-iwlwifi from non-free-firmware, so check that install image contains firmware. I would avoid installing testing for several weeks. Maybe a huge change with 64 bit time_t has not settled yet. My experience with 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 [8086:2723] (rev 1a) is far from being positive. Firmware crashes are not infrequent. Not all applications handle lost packets and disabling/enabling network adapter gracefully. It might depend on the WiFi router (and others around). I'll consider that strongly, Thank you, Paul
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 02/05/2024 12:19, Sirius wrote: If your wifi is also the AX200 (maybe a different revision), it *should* work. lspci -nn may help with more precise identification. It requires firmware-iwlwifi from non-free-firmware, so check that install image contains firmware. I would avoid installing testing for several weeks. Maybe a huge change with 64 bit time_t has not settled yet. My experience with 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 [8086:2723] (rev 1a) is far from being positive. Firmware crashes are not infrequent. Not all applications handle lost packets and disabling/enabling network adapter gracefully. It might depend on the WiFi router (and others around).
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
In days of yore (Wed, 01 May 2024), Paul Scott thus quoth: > > On 5/1/2024 10:57 AM, Sirius wrote: > > I have an Aspire A715-41G and the wireless is an Intel AX200. I am > > currently using iwd and iwctl to manage it, but NetworkManager picked it > > up off the bat and allowed it to be configured - even during installation. > > > > You will want to use 'lspci' to figure out if the card is seen at all and > > you should get a line like: > > > > 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) > > > > Once you know what make/model the wifi is, you can start looking for the > > right driver if it is not auto-detected. > > How did you install Debian? I have a USB stick with Ventoy on it, and a collection of ISOs that I can pick through depending on what I am doing. The Debian ISO is the 12.5 DVD version. It was surprising to me just how much the installer detected and got right, because it asked me about wifi network and key and then off it went. If your wifi is also the AX200 (maybe a different revision), it *should* work. There is a lot to be said about Intel, but their drivers do get pushed upstream and make it into the distribution kernels. iwd is also an Intel thing and quite nice to use when digging into it. -- Kind regards, /S
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
On 5/1/2024 10:57 AM, Sirius wrote: In days of yore (Wed, 01 May 2024), Paul Scott thus quoth: Hello, I have many installs over many years (only a few per year).. I tried a Testing net install pn my new Acer Aspire 315 and it didn't find an Ethernet driver. (wireless?). I read that I should try a more complete image which I am downloading (jigdo) now. I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, I have an Aspire A715-41G and the wireless is an Intel AX200. I am currently using iwd and iwctl to manage it, but NetworkManager picked it up off the bat and allowed it to be configured - even during installation. You will want to use 'lspci' to figure out if the card is seen at all and you should get a line like: 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) Once you know what make/model the wifi is, you can start looking for the right driver if it is not auto-detected. How did you install Debian? Thank you, Paul
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
In days of yore (Wed, 01 May 2024), Paul Scott thus quoth: > Hello, > > I have many installs over many years (only a few per year).. > > I tried a Testing net install pn my new Acer Aspire 315 and it didn't find > an Ethernet driver. (wireless?). > > I read that I should try a more complete image which I am downloading > (jigdo) now. > > I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, I have an Aspire A715-41G and the wireless is an Intel AX200. I am currently using iwd and iwctl to manage it, but NetworkManager picked it up off the bat and allowed it to be configured - even during installation. You will want to use 'lspci' to figure out if the card is seen at all and you should get a line like: 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) Once you know what make/model the wifi is, you can start looking for the right driver if it is not auto-detected. -- Kind regards, /S
Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
Paul Scott (12024-05-01): > I read that I should try a more complete image which I am downloading > (jigdo) now. Waste of time. The drivers are either in the kernel image or in individual packages, you can install them on top of what you have. > I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, Check the PCI ids of your Ethernet controller. Download the kernel image you are considering, check if any of its modules matches these ids. Regards, -- Nicolas George
Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315
Hello, I have many installs over many years (only a few per year).. I tried a Testing net install pn my new Acer Aspire 315 and it didn't find an Ethernet driver. (wireless?). I read that I should try a more complete image which I am downloading (jigdo) now. I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, Paul
