Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Pasi Oja-Nisula p...@iki.fi writes: I just retired my 9 year old machine to home use and got a Gigabyte H55-UD3H motherboard with Intel Core i5 processor. Well, the first impressions are that maybe I should have done a bit more research since there are Realtek net and audio chips that might have some issues. Pretty much all motherboards come with realtek ethernet. It's well night impossible to avoid. I have a gigabyte board too. The sound is fine even though its a realtek. Anyway, I have a 3com card for net That sounds like a good plan. and don't necessarily need audio at all. The biggest concern now is with graphics in Xorg. I'm using Debian Lenny and obviously the integrated graphics are not supported there yet. But this is strictly a business machine (browser and a bunch of xterms mainly), so I think I would manage a while with even vesa driver. And I even got the vesa driver to work with 1280x1024 which fits my monitor, so this would be a fine solution for short term. Unfortunately the screen looks like this: 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 So the right side of the picture is shown at the left. I just don't know how I could adjust this. I'm using a vga cable btw, maybe dvi cable would help? Anyone have any experience with the graphics in new Intel processors? Should I just leave this alone and get a low end ATI card (suggestions for something that would work out of the box)? This would require a bit of research since the low end has moved up and the xorg drivers typically lag behind. My x1950 works fine, but it's now too ancient to find and you can probably do much better now. What is the sweet spot for cheap ATI card these days? -- Johan KULLSTAM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8739zlj1gi@emmy.axel.nom
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Johan Kullstam put forth on 3/27/2010 9:14 AM: Pretty much all motherboards come with realtek ethernet. It's well night impossible to avoid. That statement is absolutely false. There are plenty of mobos on the market with Broadcom, Intel, Marvell, nVidia, Via, and other ethernet on board. If you'd have said Pretty much all _cheap_ motherboards come with Realtek ethernet I'd be more inclined to agree with you. However, I've seen a $55 ($40 after rebate) ECS board on Newegg with Broadcom ethernet on board, so not even all cheap boards use Realtek ethernet chips, although _most_ do. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135246 Hitting $75 USD and climbing up from there you'll see many more boards with non Realtek ethernet. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bae417e.5090...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 01:56, Pasi Oja-Nisula p...@iki.fi wrote: I have a Matrox G550 card in my old machine and video performance has never been an issue. If the new integrated Intel graphics are comparable, I'm quite satisfied. Intel i5 Graphics are enormously more powerful than a G550. A G550 is, at best, in the general category as the Intel GMA 900 (the G550 did have hardware transform and lighting, which the GMA 900 series lacked, but overall perf. was still similar). The Core i5 graphics are some 7 generations removed from the GMA 900. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1840f6971003271129h664103br2f2af5ca210c0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: Johan Kullstam put forth on 3/27/2010 9:14 AM: Pretty much all motherboards come with realtek ethernet. It's well night impossible to avoid. That statement is absolutely false. There are plenty of mobos on the market with Broadcom, Intel, Marvell, nVidia, Via, and other ethernet on board. If you'd have said Pretty much all _cheap_ motherboards come with Realtek ethernet I'd be more inclined to agree with you. However, I've seen a $55 ($40 after rebate) ECS board on Newegg with Broadcom ethernet on board, so not even all cheap boards use Realtek ethernet chips, although _most_ do. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135246 Hitting $75 USD and climbing up from there you'll see many more boards with non Realtek ethernet. Thanks. I just wish that newegg would put ethernet with realtek as a powersearch field so I could more easily reject the crabcard. -- Johan KULLSTAM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y6hdhb05@emmy.axel.nom
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 07:14, Johan Kullstam kullstj...@verizon.net wrote: Pasi Oja-Nisula p...@iki.fi writes: Anyone have any experience with the graphics in new Intel processors? Should I just leave this alone and get a low end ATI card (suggestions for something that would work out of the box)? This would require a bit of research since the low end has moved up and the xorg drivers typically lag behind. My x1950 works fine, but it's now too ancient to find and you can probably do much better now. What is the sweet spot for cheap ATI card these days? It depends the intended use, but the 4000 series with OSS drivers does compiz, ioquake3, urban terror, etc. these days, and as of 2.6.33, KMS for ATI is out of Staging. There are still improvements to be made in the 4000 series, but they work: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1840f6971003271159m303667a8yd66aa3c05dbf0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Johan Kullstam put forth on 3/27/2010 1:31 PM: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: Johan Kullstam put forth on 3/27/2010 9:14 AM: Pretty much all motherboards come with realtek ethernet. It's well night impossible to avoid. That statement is absolutely false. There are plenty of mobos on the market with Broadcom, Intel, Marvell, nVidia, Via, and other ethernet on board. If you'd have said Pretty much all _cheap_ motherboards come with Realtek ethernet I'd be more inclined to agree with you. However, I've seen a $55 ($40 after rebate) ECS board on Newegg with Broadcom ethernet on board, so not even all cheap boards use Realtek ethernet chips, although _most_ do. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135246 Hitting $75 USD and climbing up from there you'll see many more boards with non Realtek ethernet. Thanks. I just wish that newegg would put ethernet with realtek as a powersearch field so I could more easily reject the crabcard. I was thinking the exact same thing a couple of hours ago (and at other times in the past). Advanced/power search by ethernet chip type, sata chip type, etc seems logical. It currently lets you search by onboard video chipset, northbridge, socket and CPU type for Pete's sake. It outta let you search by all chip types on the board. There are only a handful of ether chips soldered to mobos these days. They list over 3 dozen video chips. It's not like they're lacking room to list the ether chips... I'll see if I can put in some kinda request. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bae6510.8080...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On 2010-03-27, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: Intel i5 Graphics are enormously more powerful than a G550. Good to hear that. I just need my xterms and browser. Maybe sometime watch a youtube video, but that's about it. And for people like me this new Intel graphics thing seems like a perfect match. Well, maybe the previous generation of integrated graphics would have suited me as well. The motherboard issue with these new H55 boards is not quite as clear as it seems. I understand that this is new technology and maybe it would have been wise to see the next batch of motherboards. But right now the choice was between plain Intel and Gigabyte or Asus with features and more expansion possibilities. And when some review mentioned some doubts about the capacitors in Intel board (not that they weren't good, but that they weren't the top quality), that made me take the Gigabyte. The problem (or how I see it) is that the Intel H55 board offered now isn't the kind of rock-solid oozing with quality -type of product that I would expect and pay a premium for. But instead it's kind of reference implementation that actually is quite moderately priced. Don't know, maybe it's just too cheap to be taken seriously :-) This is getting a bit silentpcreviewish post, but if someone is in the market for this kind of desktop machine, this is what I got: Intel Core i5-670 3.46GHz processor Prolimatech Megahalems cpu cooler Nexus Value 430W power supply Antec P183 case 3 x Noctua NF-S12B FLX fans (with ultra low noise adapter in use) Gigabyte GA-H55-UD3H motherboard The whole bunch works fine and quiet out-of-the-box without the need for underclocking or undervolting that the old processors required (and that Intel boards don't support). In this light the plain Intel motherboard would have been sufficient. Anyway, so far I'm extremely happy with the result. Pasi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhqsput.j9f@seepia.dyndns.org
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On 2010-03-23, Frank Miles f...@u.washington.edu wrote: Sound has worked without any particular intervention - straight ALSA. I don't do anything complex with the sound system, though. I tried the sound yesterday and it just worked. That was nice. As far as the video - while I'm presently using a custom-compiled kernel, I'm fairly sure I was getting the same rates with the stock 2.6.32 kernel available in 'testing'. Actually I was referring to xorg driver. Do you use intel driver there? I got a private e-mail telling me how I could do much better with a separate card - and I'm sure that's true. I have a Matrox G550 card in my old machine and video performance has never been an issue. If the new integrated Intel graphics are comparable, I'm quite satisfied. Pasi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhqjgqv.enq@seepia.dyndns.org
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
To Pasi: I'm using the xorg stuff - nothing special from Intel. Sorry for the ambiguity. To Stan: I didn't ask for, nor had I received any recommendation - you must be thinking of someone else. You had responded to a query I raised earlier when I had problems with the RealTek networking (which I thank you for), but that was some weeks after I bought the board. Before buying the board I had looked around for information on hardware compatibility, but didn't find much. This kind of information has an intrinsically short shelf life. For now the RealTek is working again, though needing a nonfree driver. -Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.lrh.2.01.1003240836490.27...@homer99.u.washington.edu
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
To Pasi: Sound has worked without any particular intervention - straight ALSA. I don't do anything complex with the sound system, though. As far as the video - while I'm presently using a custom-compiled kernel, I'm fairly sure I was getting the same rates with the stock 2.6.32 kernel available in 'testing'. I got a private e-mail telling me how I could do much better with a separate card - and I'm sure that's true. But [a] I'm not a gamer - so I don't really need super high rates - it is perfectly good enough for rotating 3-d math plots or views of devices; and [b] the low power consumption is important to me. Having a quiet machine is great! To Stan: I don't upgrade my computers very often. The last time I did, network cards seemed pretty much all operable with Linux drivers - including RealTek. This has been a real disappointment to find that something has gone backwards as far as Linux compatibility. -Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.lrh.2.01.1003230811250.20...@homer99.u.washington.edu
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Frank Miles put forth on 3/23/2010 10:37 AM: To Stan: I don't upgrade my computers very often. The last time I did, network cards seemed pretty much all operable with Linux drivers - including RealTek. This has been a real disappointment to find that something has gone backwards as far as Linux compatibility. I absolutely agree that it should all just work. The reason for my playful jab about the serial port is that I recommended the Intel board exactly because of the Realtek chip on the GigaByte board, but then you bought the GigaByte board anyway, against my recommendation. At that time I don't recall you mentioning needing a serial port. Maybe I have you confused with another OP here. If so, my apologies. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba97eb1.6080...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Hi Pasi: I have the same MB and processor. I have had a few issues, particularly with the RealTek chip, but as of now it's running fine - running the Debian/testing (squeeze) with the 2.26.32 kernel, and the RealTek driver out of nonfree. It's so annoying to have gotten a board thinking that I was avoiding the ATI/Nvidia proprietary mess, only to have to deal with this ugly RealTek problem. The straight Intel board may be a better choice for most. I needed the RS-232 port, which is available with the Gigabyte board (external connector added) but not (so far as I could determine) with the Intel board. I'm getting a bit less than 1000 fps with glxgears on a 1920x1280 monitor (DVI cable). With a moderate CPU load it's drawing around 50watts (not including display) according to my KillAWatt - pretty darn good for a fairly spiffy desktop! As Camaleon suggests, you may have to run a relatively new kernel to get this relatively new system running. Hope that helps... -Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.lrh.2.01.1003220840040.17...@homer99.u.washington.edu
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On 2010-03-22, Frank Miles f...@u.washington.edu wrote: with the RealTek chip, but as of now it's running fine - running the Debian/testing (squeeze) with the 2.26.32 kernel, and the RealTek driver out of nonfree. I got the same kernel from backports and the network chip started to work. I'm still using old 3com pci card though. Haven't had time to check the audio yet. I think it's also Realtek something. You got it working? The straight Intel board may be a better choice for most. I thought about that, but maybe Gigabyte had more pci slots or something that I thought that I would need in the future. I needed the RS-232 port, which is available with the Gigabyte board (external connector added) I got the connector from ebay. It was a nice surprise that the board actually had that, since I thought I would have to get a pci card with serial ports. I'm getting a bit less than 1000 fps with glxgears on a 1920x1280 monitor (DVI cable). Is this with intel driver? Did you have to compile the driver yourself? All the necessary requirements in testing yet? With a moderate CPU load it's drawing around 50watts (not including display) according to my KillAWatt - pretty darn good for a fairly spiffy desktop! Besides, it's easy to cool. And because of that it's easy to get a really quiet machine. Pasi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhqf839.ers@seepia.dyndns.org
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Frank Miles put forth on 3/22/2010 10:54 AM: The straight Intel board may be a better choice for most. I needed the RS-232 port, which is available with the Gigabyte board (external connector added) but not (so far as I could determine) with the Intel board. Lame excuse Frank. ;) You just didn't care to look as your mind was already made up to buy the GigaByte board. Look at the underlined below. http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DH55TC/DH55TC-overview.htm Peripheral interfaces * Up to twelve USB 2.0 ports * Six Serial ATA 3.0 Gb/s ports with two ports compatible with eSATA * _One serial port header_ * One parallel port header * One back panel PS/2 connector If it doesn't come in the box you buy one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200466cm_re=serial_port_header-_-12-200-466-_-Product When there's a will, there is a way. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba83439.1070...@hardwarefreak.com
RE: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:23:37 -0500 s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Frank Miles put forth on 3/22/2010 10:54 AM: The straight Intel board may be a better choice for most. I needed the RS-232 port, which is available with the Gigabyte board (external connector added) but not (so far as I could determine) with the Intel board. Lame excuse Frank. ;) You just didn't care to look as your mind was already made up to buy the GigaByte board. Look at the underlined below. http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DH55TC/DH55TC-overview.htm Peripheral interfaces * Up to twelve USB 2.0 ports * Six Serial ATA 3.0 Gb/s ports with two ports compatible with eSATA * _One serial port header_ * One parallel port header * One back panel PS/2 connector If it doesn't come in the box you buy one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200466cm_re=serial_port_header-_-12-200-466-_-Product When there's a will, there is a way. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba83439.1070...@hardwarefreak.com On the topic of serial ports. What recommendations can be offered on PCI or add-in card RS-232 cards? How well do they perform in terms of the Linux OS? How well suited are they for capturing kernel boot messages? An they can be used to provide a serial console, like a tty right? -M _ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959
Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
I just retired my 9 year old machine to home use and got a Gigabyte H55-UD3H motherboard with Intel Core i5 processor. Well, the first impressions are that maybe I should have done a bit more research since there are Realtek net and audio chips that might have some issues. Anyway, I have a 3com card for net and don't necessarily need audio at all. The biggest concern now is with graphics in Xorg. I'm using Debian Lenny and obviously the integrated graphics are not supported there yet. But this is strictly a business machine (browser and a bunch of xterms mainly), so I think I would manage a while with even vesa driver. And I even got the vesa driver to work with 1280x1024 which fits my monitor, so this would be a fine solution for short term. Unfortunately the screen looks like this: 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 So the right side of the picture is shown at the left. I just don't know how I could adjust this. I'm using a vga cable btw, maybe dvi cable would help? Anyone have any experience with the graphics in new Intel processors? Should I just leave this alone and get a low end ATI card (suggestions for something that would work out of the box)? Pasi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhqbt1v.m6h@seepia.dyndns.org
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On 2010-03-21, Pasi Oja-Nisula p...@iki.fi wrote: So the right side of the picture is shown at the left. I just don't know how I could adjust this. I'm using a vga cable btw, maybe dvi cable would help? Replying to myself here. Yes, it helps. I searched the closets at the office and found a dvi cable. Change the cable, reboot and vesa works fine with 1280x1024 resolution. So with this, I'll manage for now. Hopefully the integrated graphics will eventually work with Intel xorg driver. Pasi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhqc4vv.nr5@seepia.dyndns.org
Re: Intel Core i5 integrated graphics
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:50:58 +, Pasi Oja-Nisula wrote: Replying to myself here. Yes, it helps. I searched the closets at the office and found a dvi cable. Change the cable, reboot and vesa works fine with 1280x1024 resolution. So with this, I'll manage for now. Hopefully the integrated graphics will eventually work with Intel xorg driver. I think you will need the latest Intel Xorg drivers (2.10) and a recent kernel ( 2.6.30). You could test it with any LiveCD matching these two requirements. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.03.21.15.11...@gmail.com
