Re: Is it possible to switch these processors?
Wathen, Metherion [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? thanks in advance. mw If they have the same pin-count and the same voltage, then you might as well try it, although some motherboards have jumpers one can set so as to accommodate different CPUs with different voltage requirements and speeds. For the latter you should check the motherboard's manual (it may be on the web if you do not possess a copy). One of the reasons I suggest just doing it to find out is because I did exactly that (I replaced a generic 33MHz 486 [/proc/cpuinfo could not determine the manufacturer] with a Intel 486 DX2) and sure enough, it worked! Elizabeth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to switch these processors?
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? thanks in advance. mw Most likely, is the fact the p100 is a socket 7 processor, and the p450 is a slot1 processor. Totally different connectors, different motherboards, different ram types, etc etc. Not going to happen. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to switch these processors?
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 11:20:40AM -0500, Wathen, Metherion wrote: I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? Other than the fact that they (the physical processors) are not compatible at all? The P100 processor predates MMX and is most likely a socket 5 or 7 (can't remember off the top of my head), while the P450 is most likely actually a PII slot cartridge. Now, on the other hand, if you meant that you wanted to exchange motherboards, processors, and other internals, that's a different question altogether. Then you get into whether both boards are AT or ATX (the P100 is most likely AT, and the PII 450 is likely ATX). As you can see there are a lot of interdependencies. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is it possible to switch these processors?
How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. thanks for all the help, mw. -Original Message- From: Mike Dresser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:36 PM To: Wathen, Metherion Cc: Debian-User (E-mail) Subject: Re: Is it possible to switch these processors? On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? thanks in advance. mw Most likely, is the fact the p100 is a socket 7 processor, and the p450 is a slot1 processor. Totally different connectors, different motherboards, different ram types, etc etc. Not going to happen. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to switch these processors?
On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 12:19, Elizabeth Barham wrote: Wathen, Metherion [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? thanks in advance. mw If they have the same pin-count and the same voltage, then you might as well try it, although some motherboards have jumpers one can set so as to accommodate different CPUs with different voltage requirements and speeds. For the latter you should check the motherboard's manual (it may be on the web if you do not possess a copy). One of the reasons I suggest just doing it to find out is because I did exactly that (I replaced a generic 33MHz 486 [/proc/cpuinfo could not determine the manufacturer] with a Intel 486 DX2) and sure enough, it worked! Elizabeth I'd check the upper limit of the clock on that motherboard - I used to run a P1/90MHz, and I know that the motherboards back then tended to be limited to clocks of 60 MHz and 66 MHz, with multipliers that allowed handling processors of no more than 2.5 times clock speed, or 166 MHz top speed. A P1/100MHz is probably running on a board with a 1.5 multiplier on a 66 MHz clock, or a 2 multiplier on a 50 MHz clock. 450 MHz may be *way* out of range for the clock to support. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Is it possible to switch these processors?
On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 11:51, Wathen, Metherion wrote: How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. Since Intel stopped making Pentiums that slow a *long* time ago, at 233MHz, and then started with the Pentium II, which had a totally different packaging and physical method of connecting the CPU to the motherboard, Mike is totally right. Walter, your desire is impossible to accomplish. Ron -Original Message- From: Mike Dresser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:36 PM To: Wathen, Metherion Cc: Debian-User (E-mail) Subject: Re: Is it possible to switch these processors? On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? thanks in advance. mw Most likely, is the fact the p100 is a socket 7 processor, and the p450 is a slot1 processor. Totally different connectors, different motherboards, different ram types, etc etc. Not going to happen. Mike -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | My advice to you is to get married: If you find a good wife, | | you will be happy; if not, you will become a philosopher.| |Socrates | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to switch these processors?
-- Wathen, Metherion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Wednesday, 11 December 2002, 12:51 PM -0500): How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. If you know the original manufacturer and the model number of your motherboard... google for them. I can tell you right now, unless it's an AMD 450 clone, it's a slot 1, and it isn't going to go on your mobo. As Jamin also pointed out, once the processors got to the PII/Celeron series, they also went to an ATX form factor, which means that you'd be needing a different motherboard, likely a new case (as the ATX mobos are longer), and a different power supply. In addition, most mobos that I've used have a ceiling spec. For instance, the one in my primary machine can take processors only up to 450Mhz (I have a Celeron 366 in it). I'd originally wanted to upgrade from my P-200Mhz machine to the Celeron 366MHz processor using my same mobo and case, but because all of these things had changed (form factor, voltage, slot 1 processor), this wasn't possible. I went through the same thing at a business I worked at 3 or 4 years ago as well. On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is it possible to switch these processors?
On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 18:51, Wathen, Metherion wrote: How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. Easy... open the case... if you see a socket that says 'Socket 5' or 'Socket 7' that's it.. If you see a large cartridge... it's slot-1. -- Mark Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saiko Internet Technologies -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to switch these processors?
Slot 1 processors are on a daughterboard which plugs into the motherboard, while socket 7 (and all socket*) processors plut directly into a socket on the motherboard. In many cases the socket itself will designate socket 7 or similar. Slot 1 was (IIRC) only used for Pentium 2 and some early Celeron processors. Another consideration which hasn't been mentioned is that the BIOS on one board may not be compatible with the other processor. On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 12:51:49PM -0500, Wathen, Metherion wrote: How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. thanks for all the help, mw. -Original Message- From: Mike Dresser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:36 PM To: Wathen, Metherion Cc: Debian-User (E-mail) Subject: Re: Is it possible to switch these processors? On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Hi all, I have an older system with a P100 processor, I have another older system with P450 processor. what dangers do i face in swapping the processors? thanks in advance. mw Most likely, is the fact the p100 is a socket 7 processor, and the p450 is a slot1 processor. Totally different connectors, different motherboards, different ram types, etc etc. Not going to happen. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is it possible to switch these processors?
On 11 Dec 2002, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 11:51, Wathen, Metherion wrote: How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. Since Intel stopped making Pentiums that slow a *long* time ago, at 233MHz, and then started with the Pentium II, which had a totally different packaging and physical method of connecting the CPU to the motherboard, Mike is totally right. Walter, your desire is impossible to accomplish. Ron Only way I can think of, is if this cpu wasn't a p450 but instead an AMD K6-[23]/450. But either way, I doubt that motherboard is going to handle it anyways (100fsb, etc) Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Bob Nielsen wrote: Slot 1 processors are on a daughterboard which plugs into the motherboard, while socket 7 (and all socket*) processors plut directly into a socket on the motherboard. In many cases the socket itself will designate socket 7 or similar. Slot 1 was (IIRC) only used for Pentium 2 and some early Celeron processors. Some P3's too, I've got a spare dual p3/450 and another dual p3/600 sitting here on my desk. Actually, if I remember right, slot1 went all the way up to a hard to find p3/1000. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is it possible to switch these processors?
Thanks for all the good, sound advice. I've decided not to pursue swapping out the processors. thanks again for all the advice. mw -Original Message- From: Mike Dresser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 2:50 PM To: Ron Johnson Cc: Debian-User (E-mail) Subject: RE: Is it possible to switch these processors? On 11 Dec 2002, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 11:51, Wathen, Metherion wrote: How do I find out if the processors are socket 7 or slot 1? I assumed they were both socket 7; so my question now is, is there something on the processor that would indicate the socket type? Additionally where do i go on the net to find out info on motherboards, monitors, etc., if the OEM is no longer in business or around. Since Intel stopped making Pentiums that slow a *long* time ago, at 233MHz, and then started with the Pentium II, which had a totally different packaging and physical method of connecting the CPU to the motherboard, Mike is totally right. Walter, your desire is impossible to accomplish. Ron Only way I can think of, is if this cpu wasn't a p450 but instead an AMD K6-[23]/450. But either way, I doubt that motherboard is going to handle it anyways (100fsb, etc) Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:27:22PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: Some P3's too, I've got a spare dual p3/450 and another dual p3/600 sitting here on my desk. Actually, if I remember right, slot1 went all the way up to a hard to find p3/1000. Funny part is that I seem to recall some meantion of Intel claiming that socket based solution were not viable for the faster processors. =) -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Funny part is that I seem to recall some meantion of Intel claiming that socket based solution were not viable for the faster processors. =) -- Jamin W. Collins Indeed, but early p2's had problems with too much heat dissipation, and with chip fab yields when the cache was built into the cpu. Hence, the splitting of cpu and cache. Once yields went back to something normal, combined again. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
