Re: Java in Debian 5
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:05:42 + Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: ... StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for bidirectional or CJK text (or other types of complex text layout). It ran in its own separate desktop (one big window with everything in it) which did not play nice at all with the concept of window manager on X11. Proper bidi support is indeed a sin qua non for me, which is why I'm reluctantly giving up LyX for my mixed language documents, even though I really like the LyX paradigm. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516017 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516020 If you (or anyone else) *do* have LyX working well with mixed language documents, any tips would be appreciated. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:07:29AM -0500, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:05:42 + Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: ... StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for bidirectional or CJK text (or other types of complex text layout). It ran in its own separate desktop (one big window with everything in it) which did not play nice at all with the concept of window manager on X11. Proper bidi support is indeed a sin qua non for me, which is why I'm reluctantly giving up LyX for my mixed language documents, even though I really like the LyX paradigm. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516017 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516020 Actually I started using LyX because at the time it had the best bidi support (added at around 1.1.5) Both bugs are basically to do with LaTeX rather than LyX, I believe. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
LyX and latex with mixed language documents (bidi) [WAS] Re: Java in Debian 5
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:24:38 +
Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:07:29AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
...
Proper bidi support is indeed a sin qua non for me, which is why I'm
reluctantly giving up LyX for my mixed language documents, even though
I really like the LyX paradigm.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516017
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516020
Actually I started using LyX because at the time it had the best bidi
support (added at around 1.1.5)
Both bugs are basically to do with LaTeX rather than LyX, I believe.
516017 seems to definitely be a LyX problem; LyX is writing bad latex.
I'm no LyX or latex guru, but it seems pretty clear that LyX has no
business using an undefined text color. OTOH, I found a pretty simple
workaround; adding this line of Evil Red Text to the beginning of the
document seems to work, at least in the few cases I've tried it:
\definecolor{foreground}{gray}{0}
516020 is a real deal-breaker, though. I can't use LyX if I can't get
hyperrefs working. Do you have any advice for me?
Celejar
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Re: Java in Debian 5
Adrian Levi wrote: 2009/2/22 Celejar cele...@gmail.com: I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' or 'bsh' (BeanShell) as manually installed, since I'm not a java dev. Stuff tends to build up over time. It happens under linux but nowhere at the speed that I used to find the same thing happening under Windows. No doubt about that. When cleaning up an older server I have at home, I found files from 1999 in /etc/ for packages long since dropped and replaced. In some cases, belonging to packages that no longer exist! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: Adrian Levi wrote: 2009/2/22 Celejar cele...@gmail.com: I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' or 'bsh' (BeanShell) as manually installed, since I'm not a java dev. Stuff tends to build up over time. It happens under linux but nowhere at the speed that I used to find the same thing happening under Windows. No doubt about that. When cleaning up an older server I have at home, I found files from 1999 in /etc/ for packages long since dropped and replaced. In some cases, belonging to packages that no longer exist! I thought that using package management to do system updates, like apt-get update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade, removed packages that became obsolete, and thence associated files, other than data files created by the packages. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
2009/2/24 Bret Busby b...@busby.net: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: I thought that using package management to do system updates, like apt-get update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade, removed packages that became obsolete, and thence associated files, other than data files created by the packages. By default configuration files are left behind unless you pass the --purge switch to aptitude or apt-get. Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:18:16AM +0900, Bret Busby wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote: 2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends on a Java JRE. So, to use Open Office, Java is needed? I understood that Open Office could be run without Java, unless a person wanted to use the Open Office database. If you install a desktop task then the openoffice.org meta package is installed and that depends on all of the openoffice packages which also depends on a java JDK. You can install the openoffice items separately thereby not requiring Java to be installed. Adrian Which is yet another reason that many of us want them to reinstate Star Office 5.2. Reminder: StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for bidirectional or CJK text (or other types of complex text layout). It ran in its own separate desktop (one big window with everything in it) which did not play nice at all with the concept of window manager on X11. And a bit of (free) Java is what puts you off? It was far superior to Open Office, and, did not require Java, unless the database was to be used, from memory, although I had had a database running in at least one version of Star Office 5.x, without Java. If you think that Java should not be required for database support (it is not required in koffice, for instance), go ahead and provide a different implementation. The people of Sun know Java well and like it. For the same reason you see lots of GUI stuff in RedHat or Ubuntu done in python and why the monkeys over at Ximian^WNovell like mono and use it for everything. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote: If you have issues with Java 'tainting' your system then power to you, but both Staroffice and Java were invented by Sun Microsystems then released to the community freely. Open JDK is a completely free implementation of Java that satisfies the DSFG. I really don't see what your grumble is. Slight correction; Star Office was created and supplied by the Star Division, which was taken over by Sun. When Sun took it over, Sun scrapped alot of the functionality of Star Office. I know; I was using Star Office a long time ago, and got (the free version, for private and educational use), on CD, about 10 years ago. At that time, from memory, a license to use Star Office5.x for commercial purposes, cost about 299USD. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice , for a bit more information about Star Office, and the functionality that was eliminated by Sun. It was also far superior to Open Office, or generating HTML documents, as Star Office 5.x did not bloat HTML files with rubbish, and, vandalise the files by reformatting them, and changing the links, etc, like Open Office does. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote: 2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends on a Java JRE. So, to use Open Office, Java is needed? I understood that Open Office could be run without Java, unless a person wanted to use the Open Office database. If you install a desktop task then the openoffice.org meta package is installed and that depends on all of the openoffice packages which also depends on a java JDK. You can install the openoffice items separately thereby not requiring Java to be installed. Adrian Which is yet another reason that many of us want them to reinstate Star Office 5.2. It was far superior to Open Office, and, did not require Java, unless the database was to be used, from memory, although I had had a database running in at least one version of Star Office 5.x, without Java. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
2009/2/22 Bret Busby b...@busby.net: On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote: 2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends on a Java JRE. So, to use Open Office, Java is needed? I understood that Open Office could be run without Java, unless a person wanted to use the Open Office database. If you install a desktop task then the openoffice.org meta package is installed and that depends on all of the openoffice packages which also depends on a java JDK. You can install the openoffice items separately thereby not requiring Java to be installed. Adrian Which is yet another reason that many of us want them to reinstate Star Office 5.2. It was far superior to Open Office, and, did not require Java, unless the database was to be used, from memory, although I had had a database running in at least one version of Star Office 5.x, without Java. But you can use Openoffice.org without java but for Base, even then IIRC it's only used for some of the functionality I found a feally good link [1] that describes exactly what Java provides in the different components of openoffice.org aptitude show openoffice.org-writer snipped Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:2.4.1-17+b1), openoffice.org-base-core (= 1:2.4.1-17+b1), libc6 (= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1), libicu38 (= 3.8-5), libstdc++6 (= 4.2.1), libwpd8c2a, libwps-0.1-1, libxml2 (= 2.6.27), zlib1g (= 1:1.1.4) Recommends: openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, java-gcj-compat | openjdk-6-jre | sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre, openoffice.org-java-common ( 2.2.0-4), openoffice.org-writer2latex, openoffice.org-emailmerge Suggests: openoffice.org-gcj, openoffice.org-base Conflicts: openoffice.org-debian-files, openoffice.org-java-common (= 1:2.3.1), openoffice.org2-writer ( 1:2.4.1-17+b1) Replaces: openoffice.org ( 1.9), openoffice.org-common ( 1:2.3.1), openoffice.org-debian-files, openoffice.org2-writer ( 1:2.4.1-17+b1) Provides: openoffice.org2-writer If you have issues with Java 'tainting' your system then power to you, but both Staroffice and Java were invented by Sun Microsystems then released to the community freely. Open JDK is a completely free implementation of Java that satisfies the DSFG. I really don't see what your grumble is. Adrian [1]http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Java_and_OpenOffice.org -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:30:41 +1000 Adrian Levi adrian.l...@gmail.com wrote: ... But you can use Openoffice.org without java but for Base, even then IIRC it's only used for some of the functionality I found a feally good link [1] that describes exactly what Java provides in the different components of openoffice.org Thanks for that; I used that info, and repeated invocations of 'aptitude why some-java-package' to remove a bunch of java packages from my system. I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' or 'bsh' (BeanShell) as manually installed, since I'm not a java dev. ... If you have issues with Java 'tainting' your system then power to you, but both Staroffice and Java were invented by Sun Microsystems then released to the community freely. Open JDK is a completely free implementation of Java that satisfies the DSFG. I really don't see what your grumble is. I have nothing against it, since it's FLOSS, but I'd rather not have a bunch of stuff on my system for functionality that I don't use. And with the greatness that's Debian, if I ever *do* need it, it's only a quick and easy 'aptitude install' away. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
2009/2/22 Celejar cele...@gmail.com: I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' or 'bsh' (BeanShell) as manually installed, since I'm not a java dev. Stuff tends to build up over time. It happens under linux but nowhere at the speed that I used to find the same thing happening under Windows. I have nothing against it, since it's FLOSS, but I'd rather not have a bunch of stuff on my system for functionality that I don't use. And with the greatness that's Debian, if I ever *do* need it, it's only a quick and easy 'aptitude install' away. Isn't that the truth :-) Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
Bret Busby wrote: Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer? Mu. It means you can run Java programs without Sun Java or Blackdown Java or IBM Java. OpenJDK is to java what linux is to UNIX. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11:24PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: before I rant too much, is it a must install on debian 5. No. And using it requires some effort. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them. But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter out of the box, so no, you can happily run Debian 5.0 without Java. If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends on a Java JRE. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them. But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter out of the box, so no, you can happily run Debian 5.0 without Java. If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends on a Java JRE. So, to use Open Office, Java is needed? I understood that Open Office could be run without Java, unless a person wanted to use the Open Office database. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends on a Java JRE. So, to use Open Office, Java is needed? I understood that Open Office could be run without Java, unless a person wanted to use the Open Office database. If you install a desktop task then the openoffice.org meta package is installed and that depends on all of the openoffice packages which also depends on a java JDK. You can install the openoffice items separately thereby not requiring Java to be installed. Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On the web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#id2794519 is stated: 2.7. Java now in Debian The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit openjdk-6-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project. Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer? I hope you don't find this rude, but that seems like a very radical interpretation of the text, and I'm really curious what gave you that impression. Was it from the quoted section alone? I really can't see that in there. Nye -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:07:05PM +0900, Bret Busby wrote: On the web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#id2794519 is stated: 2.7. Java now in Debian The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit openjdk-6-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project. Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer? If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them. But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter out of the box, so no, you can happily run Debian 5.0 without Java. -- http://pobega.wordpress.com http://identica/pobega -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On February 18, 2009 11:44:43 pm S D wrote: --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, No, it doesn't mean that. You can install and run Debian without Java. or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer? Again, no. It means that Java SDK is now part of Debian distribution and people who want Java installed can install it, as you would install some arbitrary package. HTH The problem is, if it come on a standard installation as SELinux and probably others; because in this case it becomes an obligation by default. BTW, SElinux could control all linux boxes as Windows do it, this is the method to create dependency and control. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, francisco Quinonez franquino...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is, if it come on a standard installation as SELinux and probably others; because in this case it becomes an obligation by default. What Java packages are you referring to? If you don't use any Java apps you should be able to remove Java without any ill effect. BTW, SElinux could control all linux boxes as Windows do it, this is the method to create dependency and control. Dependency maybe, control no. Java is Free Software licensed under GNU, is it not? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 01:54:39PM -0800, francisco Quinonez wrote: On February 18, 2009 11:44:43 pm S D wrote: --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: [snip] Again, no. It means that Java SDK is now part of Debian distribution and people who want Java installed can install it, as you would install some arbitrary package. HTH The problem is, if it come on a standard installation as SELinux and probably others; because in this case it becomes an obligation by default. BTW, SElinux could control all linux boxes as Windows do it, this is the method to create dependency and control. Why do we need SElinux, yuck yuck. before I rant too much, is it a must install on debian 5. [snip] -- The point is, this is a way to help inoculate me about what has come and is coming. - George W. Bush 09/02/2000 on his anti-Gore ad, in an interview with the New York Times signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Java in Debian 5
On the web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#id2794519 is stated: 2.7. Java now in Debian The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit openjdk-6-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project. Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java in Debian 5
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, No, it doesn't mean that. You can install and run Debian without Java. or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer? Again, no. It means that Java SDK is now part of Debian distribution and people who want Java installed can install it, as you would install some arbitrary package. HTH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
