Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On 10/25/19 7:44 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Wayne Sallee *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-23 10:37 AM Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Christopher David Howie *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-22 12:43 PM On 10/13/19 6:56 PM, Wayne Sallee wrote: The non-graphical needs work too: There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided partitioning This is patently false. Every Debian setup I have done in the last ten years I've done with manual partitioning in the text-mode installer. The option to do partitioning manually is among the guided options, you just have to select it. See the attached screenshot. I went back through my cd images, and had a hard time finding it. Finally I found it. Yes under normal circumstances the manual partitioning is there without having to select guided partitioning. But when I was writing up my info on how difficult the partitioning can be, I ran into the situation where there was no option to select manual portioning without first selecting guided partitioning, and was surprised and disappointed to see that debian makes you select guided partitioning in order to find the manual partitioning option. But sure enough, under normal circumstances the manual partitioning is available without having to select guided partitioning. So here it is. . . . On any screen that has the "back" option, select back to go to the main menu, and you will get that long list of options. You will see there, "Detect disk", "Partition disk", "Install the system". Select "Partition disk" You will then see a number of options; one being guided partitioning, but no option for manual partition. You have to select guided partition, in order to get to the manual partition. So what needs to be done on that screen, is the change the option name from "Guided partitioning" to something like "Partition options". Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Actually what it needs is to put the manual partitioning options at the top, instead of (putting Guided partitioning at the top and defaulting the user to guided partitioning at the top) when the *user just got done selecting manual partitioning*. The manual partitioning options are unclearly buried at the bottom. I believe this would be a "feature request" contact the Debian Installer Team and ask politely https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Team "unclear" is an opinion that I do not share Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Wayne Sallee *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-23 10:37 AM Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Christopher David Howie *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-22 12:43 PM On 10/13/19 6:56 PM, Wayne Sallee wrote: The non-graphical needs work too: There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided partitioning This is patently false. Every Debian setup I have done in the last ten years I've done with manual partitioning in the text-mode installer. The option to do partitioning manually is among the guided options, you just have to select it. See the attached screenshot. I went back through my cd images, and had a hard time finding it. Finally I found it. Yes under normal circumstances the manual partitioning is there without having to select guided partitioning. But when I was writing up my info on how difficult the partitioning can be, I ran into the situation where there was no option to select manual portioning without first selecting guided partitioning, and was surprised and disappointed to see that debian makes you select guided partitioning in order to find the manual partitioning option. But sure enough, under normal circumstances the manual partitioning is available without having to select guided partitioning. So here it is. . . . On any screen that has the "back" option, select back to go to the main menu, and you will get that long list of options. You will see there, "Detect disk", "Partition disk", "Install the system". Select "Partition disk" You will then see a number of options; one being guided partitioning, but no option for manual partition. You have to select guided partition, in order to get to the manual partition. So what needs to be done on that screen, is the change the option name from "Guided partitioning" to something like "Partition options". Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Actually what it needs is to put the manual partitioning options at the top, instead of (putting Guided partitioning at the top and defaulting the user to guided partitioning at the top) when the *user just got done selecting manual partitioning*. The manual partitioning options are unclearly buried at the bottom. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On 10/23/2019 10:37 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: > Select "Partition disk" > > You will then see a number of options; one being guided partitioning, > but no option for manual partition. What? This screen _is_ the manual partition editor! The "guided" option is displayed here so you can go back and change your mind if you want to do guided partitioning after entering the manual editor. All of your disks and existing partitions are displayed here; if a disk is empty, select it and press enter to create a partition table. -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers If you correspond with me on a regular basis, please read this document: http://www.chrishowie.com/email-preferences/ PGP fingerprint: 2B7A B280 8B12 21CC 260A DF65 6FCE 505A CF83 38F5 IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it. Additionally, by sending an email to ANY of my addresses or to ANY mailing lists to which I am subscribed, whether intentionally or accidentally, you are agreeing that I am "the intended recipient," and that I may do whatever I wish with the contents of any message received from you, unless a pre-existing agreement prohibits me from so doing. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Christopher David Howie *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-22 12:43 PM On 10/13/19 6:56 PM, Wayne Sallee wrote: The non-graphical needs work too: There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided partitioning This is patently false. Every Debian setup I have done in the last ten years I've done with manual partitioning in the text-mode installer. The option to do partitioning manually is among the guided options, you just have to select it. See the attached screenshot. I went back through my cd images, and had a hard time finding it. Finally I found it. Yes under normal circumstances the manual partitioning is there without having to select guided partitioning. But when I was writing up my info on how difficult the partitioning can be, I ran into the situation where there was no option to select manual portioning without first selecting guided partitioning, and was surprised and disappointed to see that debian makes you select guided partitioning in order to find the manual partitioning option. But sure enough, under normal circumstances the manual partitioning is available without having to select guided partitioning. So here it is. . . . On any screen that has the "back" option, select back to go to the main menu, and you will get that long list of options. You will see there, "Detect disk", "Partition disk", "Install the system". Select "Partition disk" You will then see a number of options; one being guided partitioning, but no option for manual partition. You have to select guided partition, in order to get to the manual partition. So what needs to be done on that screen, is the change the option name from "Guided partitioning" to something like "Partition options". Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On 10/13/19 6:56 PM, Wayne Sallee wrote: > The non-graphical needs work too: > There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided > partitioning This is patently false. Every Debian setup I have done in the last ten years I've done with manual partitioning in the text-mode installer. The option to do partitioning manually is among the guided options, you just have to select it. See the attached screenshot. -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers If you correspond with me on a regular basis, please read this document: http://www.chrishowie.com/email-preferences/ PGP fingerprint: 2B7A B280 8B12 21CC 260A DF65 6FCE 505A CF83 38F5 IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it. Additionally, by sending an email to ANY of my addresses or to ANY mailing lists to which I am subscribed, whether intentionally or accidentally, you are agreeing that I am "the intended recipient," and that I may do whatever I wish with the contents of any message received from you, unless a pre-existing agreement prohibits me from so doing. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Hi. Posting HTML mail here is considered bad manners. Please configure your e-mail client appropriately. Also, please refrain from top-posting, this is a maillist, not your typical enterprisey spamfest. On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 08:00:13AM -0400, Wayne Sallee wrote: > I like Virtual Box on my laptop, but then I only have about 2 dozen operating > systems in Virtualbox on my laptop. VirtualBox has its share of deficiencies, but even in its sad state it should be more than enough to test various aspects of debian-installer, that's true. Reco
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
I appreciate your interest, but wow! Such disdain for virtual systems. You should learn about the value of virtual systems. I like Virtual Box on my laptop, but then I only have about 2 dozen operating systems in Virtualbox on my laptop. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Peter Ehlert *To: * Wayne Sallee , Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-14 11:55 AM I have never tried to install Debian with virtualbox. Bare Metal is obviously very different... perhaps that is the root of the problems you are having. I suggest you read about it in the Debian Wiki. so, let's chalk this one up to user error best of luck. On 10/14/19 8:12 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: I used virtualbox; no need to burn any CD or USB. 8ec21625aadaddec8ba0de0ff915db03 debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-mate.iso ab54364f4e066bba8d2010b5f8c0daad debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-mate.iso Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Peter Ehlert *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-14 09:51 AM I am no expert but I am more than willing to follow along. Perhaps you have found a bug. I don't have an optical drive, I use USB, but that should not matter. 10.1.0 Live? Let's be more precise. looking in https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.1.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ I find 8 different versions (desktops) ... Which ISO are you using?
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
@Linux-Fan thanks for the screenshots, they are very helpful. In my opinion the Debian installer is awesome, best in the business. it is very powerful, but intimidating... that was the main reason I used the derivatives until just the last few years. But to be honest we (users) need to work on helping the developers making Debian more accessible. On 10/14/19 2:08 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: Wayne Sallee writes: The non-graphical needs work too: Hi, so here it's non-graphical... There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided partitioning, so if you don't like the way it wants to partition the drive, and you look for manual parition, that option is not available. Odly enough the manual partition option is only available inside the guided partition options. I think this should not be the case. There's a false warning about no root file system defined. Chosing "continue" gets you back to the partition options, and the root partition shows normal, but if you chose the root partition to fix it, there are a lot of options missing. It's broken. You have to choose "back", or "guided" partitioning to fix it. So if you want to follow along for the ride, put the 10.1.0 Live Install CD in, and when you get to the partition option, ...and here it's graphical. Which one does not offer manual partitioning from the beginning? Graphical Debian Installer OK Language, and other stuff :-) OK Guided Use Entire Disk Why? Why not chose manual partitioning? The option is there... [...] I'm tired of this. Goodby. I'm using the non-graphical version from now on. [...] I prefer the non-graphical version as well, but I had no issues doing manual partitioning with the GUI (without venturing first into the guided partitioning submenu, which I have never used), see these step-by-step images: https://masysma.lima-city.de/experiments/20191014223544.xhtml HTH Linux-Fan
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Maybe just bite the bullet, donload GPartEd Live and get the partitions done before Debian install goes into action. Just an idea. Paul (Going back to lurking) On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 12:12, Peter Ehlert wrote: > I have never tried to install Debian with virtualbox. > Bare Metal is obviously very different... perhaps that is the root of the > problems you are having. > > I suggest you read about it in the Debian Wiki. > > so, let's chalk this one up to user error > > best of luck. > > On 10/14/19 8:12 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: > > I used virtualbox; no need to burn any CD or USB. > > 8ec21625aadaddec8ba0de0ff915db03 debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-mate.iso > ab54364f4e066bba8d2010b5f8c0daad debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-mate.iso > > > Wayne Sallee > wa...@waynesallee.com > http://www.WayneSallee.com > > Original Message ---- > *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke > *From: * Peter Ehlert > *To: * Debian-user > > *CC: * > *Date: * 2019-10-14 09:51 AM > > I am no expert but I am more than willing to follow along. > Perhaps you have found a bug. > I don't have an optical drive, I use USB, but that should not matter. > > > > > 10.1.0 Live? > Let's be more precise. > > looking in > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.1.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ > I find 8 different versions (desktops) ... Which ISO are you using? > > > -- *Paul Duncan* Lead Marine Technician, RV Falkor SCHMIDT OCEAN INSTITUTE mobile +1 650 387 4151 VOIP +1 954 672 4943 www.schmidtocean.org Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Google+ *This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged* *information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received it in* *error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you.*
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Wayne Sallee writes: The non-graphical needs work too: Hi, so here it's non-graphical... There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided partitioning, so if you don't like the way it wants to partition the drive, and you look for manual parition, that option is not available. Odly enough the manual partition option is only available inside the guided partition options. I think this should not be the case. There's a false warning about no root file system defined. Chosing "continue" gets you back to the partition options, and the root partition shows normal, but if you chose the root partition to fix it, there are a lot of options missing. It's broken. You have to choose "back", or "guided" partitioning to fix it. So if you want to follow along for the ride, put the 10.1.0 Live Install CD in, and when you get to the partition option, ...and here it's graphical. Which one does not offer manual partitioning from the beginning? Graphical Debian Installer OK Language, and other stuff :-) OK Guided Use Entire Disk Why? Why not chose manual partitioning? The option is there... [...] I'm tired of this. Goodby. I'm using the non-graphical version from now on. [...] I prefer the non-graphical version as well, but I had no issues doing manual partitioning with the GUI (without venturing first into the guided partitioning submenu, which I have never used), see these step-by-step images: https://masysma.lima-city.de/experiments/20191014223544.xhtml HTH Linux-Fan
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
I have never tried to install Debian with virtualbox. Bare Metal is obviously very different... perhaps that is the root of the problems you are having. I suggest you read about it in the Debian Wiki. so, let's chalk this one up to user error best of luck. On 10/14/19 8:12 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: I used virtualbox; no need to burn any CD or USB. 8ec21625aadaddec8ba0de0ff915db03 debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-mate.iso ab54364f4e066bba8d2010b5f8c0daad debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-mate.iso Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Peter Ehlert *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-14 09:51 AM I am no expert but I am more than willing to follow along. Perhaps you have found a bug. I don't have an optical drive, I use USB, but that should not matter. 10.1.0 Live? Let's be more precise. looking in https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.1.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ I find 8 different versions (desktops) ... Which ISO are you using?
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
I used virtualbox; no need to burn any CD or USB. 8ec21625aadaddec8ba0de0ff915db03 debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-mate.iso ab54364f4e066bba8d2010b5f8c0daad debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-mate.iso Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Peter Ehlert *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-14 09:51 AM I am no expert but I am more than willing to follow along. Perhaps you have found a bug. I don't have an optical drive, I use USB, but that should not matter. 10.1.0 Live? Let's be more precise. looking in https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.1.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ I find 8 different versions (desktops) ... Which ISO are you using?
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
I am no expert but I am more than willing to follow along. Perhaps you have found a bug. I don't have an optical drive, I use USB, but that should not matter. On 10/13/19 3:56 PM, Wayne Sallee wrote: The non-graphical needs work too: There's no manual partitioning option without going first to guided partitioning, so if you don't like the way it wants to partition the drive, and you look for manual parition, that option is not available. Odly enough the manual partition option is only available inside the guided partition options. There's a false warning about no root file system defined. Chosing "continue" gets you back to the partition options, and the root partition shows normal, but if you chose the root partition to fix it, there are a lot of options missing. It's broken. You have to choose "back", or "guided" partitioning to fix it. So if you want to follow along for the ride, put the 10.1.0 Live Install CD in, and when you get to the partition option, 10.1.0 Live? Let's be more precise. looking in https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.1.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ I find 8 different versions (desktops) ... Which ISO are you using? Graphical Debian Installer Language, and other stuff :-) Guided Use Entire Disk Continue on selected disk All files on on partition Click on Swap Delete the partition Click on Primary Extention 4 Resize partition There is no resize partition. Really??? So I guess we will have to delete the partition Delete Partition Create Partition There is no create partition. Click on empty space. Create Partition Continue Primary Looks good. Continue. Ext4 Didn't we just see this same page before? Continue Ext 4 Ok, we are going in circles here. Around and around we go, where we stop nobody knows. Done setting up partition Good we are not going in circles any more. Continue We are going in circles again. Continue Finish partitioning, and write changes to disk. no swap continue yes write to disk continue Finally it's installing. Now let's try it with Debian live 9.2.0 Graphical Installer Language, and other stuff :-) Guided Use Entire Disk Continue on selected disk All files in one partition Click on main disk Nothing happens. Double click on main disk. What's this??? Go back. Click on Swap Nothing happens. That's fine. Double click on swap Delete partition. Double click on ext4 Resize Partition What no resize option??? Delete partition Click on free space Create new partition Looks good Continue Primary Continue Oh yes this is where it goes in circles. Hey look there is a resize partition option whey was it not there before? Done setting up partition. Looks good Continue. Oh yes this is where we go in circles again. Finish partition and write to disk. No swap continue What?? why is "write the changes to disk" in small dim letters? So after reading all the other not so clear stuff I see the "write the changes to disk", oh there it is, yes, do it. What??? yes the hard drive has files on it, yes it will overwrite, yes I know that, but why is it complaining that those files could cause a problem with the current installation ? And some of the files may be overwritten??? They should all be overwritten. Something is obviously wrong here. I'll click continue anyway. :-) Install failed. It does not really say why. It just said that the "install the system" failed. Continue Continue We are going in circles again. It is again saying that there are files already on the disk. No Back button. What happened to the "back" button ??? Continue Yes of course it fails. Continue Partition disk It looks good, but click on ext4 partition anyway. "Format partition: no keep partition" What Delete the partition Click on free space Nothing happens. Double click on free space. Nothing happens. Continue Create new partition (There's no "Delet partiton") Size looks good Continue Primary I can see that it is really not going to create a partition, it is going to reuse the partition with data on it. But at least now there is an option to "delet partition" Delete Partition Click on free space Create new partition. Size looks good. Continue Primary It still does not look right, but let's try clicking on "Done setting up the partition" and see if it works. Done setting up the partition Double clicking did not do anything. Continue Let's go back and try double clicking again. Back Whoa What are we doing back at the main menue. I'm tired of this. Goodby. I'm using the non-graphical version from now on. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Peter Ehlert *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-2 08:28 AM Thanks fo
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
there is an option to "delet partition" Delete Partition Click on free space Create new partition. Size looks good. Continue Primary It still does not look right, but let's try clicking on "Done setting up the partition" and see if it works. Done setting up the partition Double clicking did not do anything. Continue Let's go back and try double clicking again. Back Whoa What are we doing back at the main menue. I'm tired of this. Goodby. I'm using the non-graphical version from now on. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Peter Ehlert *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-10-2 08:28 AM Thanks for coming back Wayne Can you please take a few minutes and explain Exactly which items you are having trouble with. On 10/1/19 10:34 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: (snip) With the graphical version, some items when you click on them, you get some kind of results, other items when you click on them, do nothing. With the graphical version, it takes you in circles. Around and around you go, where you'll stop nobody knows. With the graphical version it takes for ever to try to get simple things done. ^^ that really does not say anything sir. "some items" , "some kind of results" , "in circles" etc. please explain Yes, it is a bit intimidating the first few times around, but pleas help us out. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Thanks for coming back Wayne Can you please take a few minutes and explain Exactly which items you are having trouble with. On 10/1/19 10:34 AM, Wayne Sallee wrote: (snip) With the graphical version, some items when you click on them, you get some kind of results, other items when you click on them, do nothing. With the graphical version, it takes you in circles. Around and around you go, where you'll stop nobody knows. With the graphical version it takes for ever to try to get simple things done. ^^ that really does not say anything sir. "some items" , "some kind of results" , "in circles" etc. please explain Yes, it is a bit intimidating the first few times around, but pleas help us out. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Linux-fan *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-9-29 11:51 AM Wayne Sallee writes: What partitioning tool are you talking about? Wayne Sallee mailto:wa...@waynesallee.com>wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com>http://www.WayneSallee.com When I think of the debian partitioning tool, I think of this one: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2014/04/pngqsHcq7etg4.png It is very good in the sense that it exposes a lot of features (e.g. wrt. RAID, Encryption and LVM) in a consistent user interface. At least it is much more consistent, than interacting with the different software pieces for RAID, Encryption, LVM separately. It has worked well for me every time I used it and that was possibly ~30 times and at least three different Debian versions (I think I installed lenny, squeeze, stretch). It has not stayed exactly the same between the versions, but it does not change in ways that would confuse users which know (any?) previous version. I have seen a lot of other partitioning tools, integrated in installers and outside of them. Outside installers, tools are often more focused on a specific task (like Gparted to do partitions and partition tables but not RAID setup etc) which means one would need to learn multiple tools to achieve a working system. To learn how it works, I also setup MDADM-Raid and LUKS-Encryption a few times by using the respective tools, but it was much more involved than just relying on the installer. From my point of view, the installer does such good a job at partitioning, that it would make sense to have just that feature as a standalone program to call on systems which are already installed [I know that I can boot the installer for this, but partitioning without stopping unaffected services would be nice, too]. The other partitioning systems I have seen in installers were often quite strange, because they tend to offer a "guided" mode like Debian, but in the "manual" mode still do some (to me sometimes unexpected) things automatically. E.g. if you install Windows 10, IIRC, there is a manual partitioning step which automatically creates two partitions if you create one for the system drive... Another style of installation is with the CentOS installer: I think I like it acceptably well, too. But being a more "modern" looking GUI program, I must admit that for the few times I have used that installer's partitioning features (three times or so), I needed to figure out how to "apply" my changes anew each time. Debian's dialog-driven wizard- like interface requires a few more keystrokes, but makes indicates quite clearly if it has taken a user's input or not, thus I think it is better- suited for this critical but rarely-executed task. [Note that I am not N. Dobigeon, just /my/ opinion on what the Debian Partitioning tool and its merits are in case it might help to find out what exactly is wrong about the partitioning step and how it can be improved...] YMMV Linux-Fan *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Nicolas Dobigeon Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. [...]
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
I decided to try out the non-graphical installation version, and it works good. I like it. It works the way it should work. But the graphical version is horrible. From now on I will stick with the non-graphical version for installing Debian. With the graphical version, some items when you click on them, you get some kind of results, other items when you click on them, do nothing. With the graphical version, it takes you in circles. Around and around you go, where you'll stop nobody knows. With the graphical version it takes for ever to try to get simple things done. With the non-graphical version, I can zip through it quickly and get it set up the way I want, and be done with it in a short time. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Linux-fan *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: * 2019-9-29 11:51 AM Wayne Sallee writes: What partitioning tool are you talking about? Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com When I think of the debian partitioning tool, I think of this one: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2014/04/pngqsHcq7etg4.png It is very good in the sense that it exposes a lot of features (e.g. wrt. RAID, Encryption and LVM) in a consistent user interface. At least it is much more consistent, than interacting with the different software pieces for RAID, Encryption, LVM separately. It has worked well for me every time I used it and that was possibly ~30 times and at least three different Debian versions (I think I installed lenny, squeeze, stretch). It has not stayed exactly the same between the versions, but it does not change in ways that would confuse users which know (any?) previous version. I have seen a lot of other partitioning tools, integrated in installers and outside of them. Outside installers, tools are often more focused on a specific task (like Gparted to do partitions and partition tables but not RAID setup etc) which means one would need to learn multiple tools to achieve a working system. To learn how it works, I also setup MDADM-Raid and LUKS-Encryption a few times by using the respective tools, but it was much more involved than just relying on the installer. From my point of view, the installer does such good a job at partitioning, that it would make sense to have just that feature as a standalone program to call on systems which are already installed [I know that I can boot the installer for this, but partitioning without stopping unaffected services would be nice, too]. The other partitioning systems I have seen in installers were often quite strange, because they tend to offer a "guided" mode like Debian, but in the "manual" mode still do some (to me sometimes unexpected) things automatically. E.g. if you install Windows 10, IIRC, there is a manual partitioning step which automatically creates two partitions if you create one for the system drive... Another style of installation is with the CentOS installer: I think I like it acceptably well, too. But being a more "modern" looking GUI program, I must admit that for the few times I have used that installer's partitioning features (three times or so), I needed to figure out how to "apply" my changes anew each time. Debian's dialog-driven wizard- like interface requires a few more keystrokes, but makes indicates quite clearly if it has taken a user's input or not, thus I think it is better- suited for this critical but rarely-executed task. [Note that I am not N. Dobigeon, just /my/ opinion on what the Debian Partitioning tool and its merits are in case it might help to find out what exactly is wrong about the partitioning step and how it can be improved...] YMMV Linux-Fan *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Jo
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On 29/09/2019 21:32, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep, 2019 at 10:56:54 -0400, Wayne Sallee wrote: >> Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the >> installation. >> >> It's absolutely pathetic. >> >> Wayne Sallee >> wa...@waynesallee.com >> http://www.WayneSallee.com >> > > Thank you for your contribution. I look forward to reading your > proposals for improving Debian, and how you intend to contribute. > Don't feed the trolls. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England |
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On Sun, 29 Sep, 2019 at 10:56:54 -0400, Wayne Sallee wrote: > Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the > installation. > > It's absolutely pathetic. > > Wayne Sallee > wa...@waynesallee.com > http://www.WayneSallee.com > Thank you for your contribution. I look forward to reading your proposals for improving Debian, and how you intend to contribute.
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Wayne Sallee wrote: > Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the > installation. > > It's absolutely pathetic. Do you have specific suggestions for improvement? -dsr-
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Wayne Sallee writes: What partitioning tool are you talking about? Wayne Sallee mailto:wa...@waynesallee.com>wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com>http://www.WayneSallee.com When I think of the debian partitioning tool, I think of this one: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2014/04/pngqsHcq7etg4.png It is very good in the sense that it exposes a lot of features (e.g. wrt. RAID, Encryption and LVM) in a consistent user interface. At least it is much more consistent, than interacting with the different software pieces for RAID, Encryption, LVM separately. It has worked well for me every time I used it and that was possibly ~30 times and at least three different Debian versions (I think I installed lenny, squeeze, stretch). It has not stayed exactly the same between the versions, but it does not change in ways that would confuse users which know (any?) previous version. I have seen a lot of other partitioning tools, integrated in installers and outside of them. Outside installers, tools are often more focused on a specific task (like Gparted to do partitions and partition tables but not RAID setup etc) which means one would need to learn multiple tools to achieve a working system. To learn how it works, I also setup MDADM-Raid and LUKS-Encryption a few times by using the respective tools, but it was much more involved than just relying on the installer. From my point of view, the installer does such good a job at partitioning, that it would make sense to have just that feature as a standalone program to call on systems which are already installed [I know that I can boot the installer for this, but partitioning without stopping unaffected services would be nice, too]. The other partitioning systems I have seen in installers were often quite strange, because they tend to offer a "guided" mode like Debian, but in the "manual" mode still do some (to me sometimes unexpected) things automatically. E.g. if you install Windows 10, IIRC, there is a manual partitioning step which automatically creates two partitions if you create one for the system drive... Another style of installation is with the CentOS installer: I think I like it acceptably well, too. But being a more "modern" looking GUI program, I must admit that for the few times I have used that installer's partitioning features (three times or so), I needed to figure out how to "apply" my changes anew each time. Debian's dialog-driven wizard- like interface requires a few more keystrokes, but makes indicates quite clearly if it has taken a user's input or not, thus I think it is better- suited for this critical but rarely-executed task. [Note that I am not N. Dobigeon, just /my/ opinion on what the Debian Partitioning tool and its merits are in case it might help to find out what exactly is wrong about the partitioning step and how it can be improved...] YMMV Linux-Fan *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Nicolas Dobigeon Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. [...]
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:56:54 -0400 Wayne Sallee wrote: > Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the > installation. > > It's absolutely pathetic. Some more detail would be useful. For example,how would you do it better? Code submissions would be welcome. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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What partitioning tool are you talking about? Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Nicolas Dobigeon *To: * Wayne Sallee , Debian User *CC: * *Date: * 2019-9-29 11:09 AM Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: dans "private joke" il y a "private" et dans "debian-user-french" il y a "french"
Effectivement je m'en étais même pas rendu compte... Tellement sont en anglo-saxon Le 12/11/2018 à 08:06, hamster a écrit : Et après ca il y a des gens qui ralent parce bernard pose des questions de newbie… Le 12/11/2018 à 07:34, aishen a écrit : Explain ? I don't understand but I guess I am missing something ? lol Le 11/11/2018 à 20:55, Haricophile a écrit : Le Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:23:40 +0100, aishen a écrit : the best and simple skypeforlinux (even if it's microsoft it's very popular) even is odd ;)
Re: dans "private joke" il y a "private" et dans "debian-user-french" il y a "french"
Et après ca il y a des gens qui ralent parce bernard pose des questions de newbie… Le 12/11/2018 à 07:34, aishen a écrit : > Explain ? I don't understand but I guess I am missing something ? lol > > Le 11/11/2018 à 20:55, Haricophile a écrit : >> Le Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:23:40 +0100, >> aishen a écrit : >> >>> the best and simple skypeforlinux (even if it's microsoft it's very >>> popular) >> even is odd ;)
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 1/04/2015 2:07 AM, bjf...@gmail.com wrote: Reading Wikipedia- it says systemd was chosen as default on Jessie aft er discussion over these mailing lists... Is this wrong? It is wrong to a great extent. Most negative discussion of system was quashed The DDs and committee members discussed things to a certain extent, enough for them to decide it was the way to go ... much to the dismay of a huge number of users and system administrators whom have basically been silenced. Attempts were made to remedy the situation, by way of a vote that only DD's were able to vote in, the users and system administrators were largely ridiculed and ignored with the very strong pro side people on systemd getting their way with a bunch of DDs resigning as the last straw over this matter. There is absolutely no doubt that systemd has been extremely divisive and for many, myself included, the damage is too great. I've greatly loved Debian over the years for all sorts of reasons, but this will have me parting ways as soon as I'm able to do so unless there is a miraculous miracle before then. And although this time, the kernel fork is an April Fool's joke, it really might not be far from the truth down the track. Again, I must say, I want Linus Linux and most definitely not Lennart Linux myself. A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlUb3t8ACgkQqBZry7fv4vvmVgD+I6UuKVqrFXxlf0+b3Ndi0rxC rFl4hHWNJki+InAnWqAA/A3DoXPE41ZPNaBSJam2gl0veXh55rie0tAhZjn+6see =XLIl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551bdee1.9000...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Wednesday 01 April 2015 23:04:49 Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 1/04/2015 2:07 AM, bjf...@gmail.com wrote: Reading Wikipedia- it says systemd was chosen as default on Jessie aft er discussion over these mailing lists... Is this wrong? It is wrong to a great extent. Most negative discussion of system was quashed [snip] And although this time, the kernel fork is an April Fool's joke, it really might not be far from the truth down the track. Again, I must say, I want Linus Linux and most definitely not Lennart Linux myself. A. Wouldn't that be Lennax? E. L. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4895082.dsCLp5oxgM@lxcl01
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Or is it serious ? I'm not laughing. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330090013.3f77f...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Tuesday 31 March 2015 08:21:12 Peter Viskup wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). You're not going to get it. The whole thing was an April Fool joke released early. It will live in memory like the spaghetti trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503310925.06451.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:21:12 +0200 Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Not to mention so much easier for malware devs... Cheers, Ron. -- Toute loi qui viole les droits imprescriptibles de l'homme, est essentiellement injuste et tyrannique; elle n'est point une loi. -- Maximilien Robespierre -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150331080217.44275...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Tuesday 31 March 2015 13:02:17 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:21:12 +0200 Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Not to mention so much easier for malware devs... It's not real. Sheesh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax Spaghetti doesn't grow on trees. systemd is not, so far at any rate, taking over any part of teh kernel. When spaghetti starts to grow on trees, and with genetic modification, who knows, then perhaps systend will fork teh kernel. People believed the spaghetti tree hoax, you know. (I remember it!!) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503311329.29128.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
Apparently I saw the news about the news before the actual new. ;-) http://ostatic.com/blog/systemd-developers-fork-kernel-docker-package-management Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551b5a36.2060...@comcast.net
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
argh :-) this will definitely be one of the best for long time :-D On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2015 08:21:12 Peter Viskup wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). You're not going to get it. The whole thing was an April Fool joke released early. It will live in memory like the spaghetti trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503310925.06451.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
Reading Wikipedia- it says systemd was chosen as default on Jessie after discussion over these mailing lists... Is this wrong? On Mar 31, 2015, at 04:25, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2015 08:21:12 Peter Viskup wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). You're not going to get it. The whole thing was an April Fool joke released early. It will live in memory like the spaghetti trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503310925.06451.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/0a44ad7d-4ce5-4c5e-ba4d-ef96941c3...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On 31/03/15 14:29, Lisi Reisz wrote: People believed the spaghetti tree hoax, you know. (I remember it!!) Do you remember the (much later) san-seriffe hoax? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Serriffe -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551ac7f7.5090...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Tuesday 31 March 2015 16:07:57 bjf...@gmail.com wrote: Reading Wikipedia- it says systemd was chosen as default on Jessie after discussion over these mailing lists... Is this wrong? No, it's right. It's all this nonsense about systemd forking the kernel that is rubbish. It was an April Fool joke. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503311701.23692.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:07:57AM -0400, bjf...@gmail.com wrote: Reading Wikipedia- it says systemd was chosen as default on Jessie after discussion over these mailing lists... Is this wrong? No. You can see some of the discussion here: https://bugs.debian.org/727708. You can probably find more deliberation on the Debian Committee mailing list at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/ On Mar 31, 2015, at 04:25, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2015 08:21:12 Peter Viskup wrote: Instead we will soon have GNU/systemd, [a] much simpler, unified platform. GNU/systemd will be a better target for third-party developers and easier to support. What? Foolish guys... Reading behind the words - no cooperation, discussion and respect, we will take over! Completely wrong... Would like to read official answer and plans from Debian project. With some clarification of possible impact on security and Debian itself (who will audit their kernel?). You're not going to get it. The whole thing was an April Fool joke released early. It will live in memory like the spaghetti trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201503310925.06451.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/0a44ad7d-4ce5-4c5e-ba4d-ef96941c3...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:50:03 +0200 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: You're not going to get it. The whole thing was an April Fool joke released early. It will live in memory like the spaghetti trees. Those were the days. They were singing while they harvested the spaghetti too. This report came at the end of a serious current events program called Panorama (This was mercifully before the BBC had to say 'on-the-ground' before every report) In the 1970's I was reading The Times while flying to Houston from Heathrow. I had forgotten it was April 1st: there was an article about an amazing discovery whilst experimenting on animals. One of the procedures had inadvertently miniaturized some of the test subjects. This began a line of inquiry that led to experiments on human volunteers. These tests concluded startling additional revelations about how anything within the process chamber was scaled down while retaining its original proportions. During the government's subsequent debate over state secrets there was a leak to the press that was to have a profound impact on the transportation industry, among others. The prospect of thousands of passengers and their luggage shrunk to the size of gelatin capsules and transported in aeroplanes across the globe at a fraction of the current cost, was very exciting to some. It was said that once a passenger arrived at their destination the 'process' would be reversed within a similar chamber with they and their possessions returned to their original size. The Times quoted a statement by Sir Freddie Laker that preparations were well advanced toward Laker Airways offering special flights to accommodate this novel method of travel. There were reports, as yet unsubstantiated, that some volunteers were not able to be returned to their original sizes but these setbacks were not considered to be a major concern to the current plans moving forward. -- CK pgp9BIAmytOqO.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Or is it serious ? Cheers, Ron. -- The liar at any rate recognizes that recreation, not instruction, is the aim of conversation, and is a far more civilised being than the blockhead who loudly expresses his disbelief in a story which is told simply for the amusement of the company. -- Oscar Wilde -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330100058.44e4a...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Or is it serious ? I'm not laughing. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330090013.3f77f...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 10:00:58 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Or is it serious ? Cheers, Ron. It's a joke. Search for the name of the developer named in the post. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgp_uDNPMtIyk.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:56:22 +0200 claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote: wow, seems real. That's funny. Now than everybody has switched to systemd, we would need to switch to a systemd kernel. (It really seems that systemd devs get hard time to speak to other people). Read the post. The developer that announced this is supposedly named GOTYAovich - get it? He does not exist, even less as a systemd developer. Thank $DEITY. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpBqrzAxwe0d.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. A. https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where Linux IS going :( A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55197c73.9080...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlUZd0YACgkQqBZry7fv4vtbsQD8Cl8lXmM6kPZCEl8M5vBs8tjF GOssuGQWPHHV4N8vGhoA/jPdGkTrwr19rt21PW4ESQD8T/+uVrYphSogZX7lXBZ3 =sMTD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55197771.5060...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On 03/30/2015 12:40 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. A. https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where Linux IS going :( If you cock your head to one side, close one eye and squint, it actually makes sense. Unpopular? Maybe so, but it still makes sense, if only to make Linux less of a moving target for people to develop on. I'd LOVE to see one unified directory structure to rule them all, for instance. Imagine nVidia could deliver it's driver and have only one spot to install to across all of the distros. Yes, I would love to get rid of network manager as long as something BETTER replaces it. There's the rub as well. It's a lack of portability that keeps the Linux Desktop down there with the bottom feeders. One thing is for sure, systemd BETTER work as advertised, for all the controversy they have created. :/ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551996dd.4050...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where Linux IS going :( I hope Lennart doesn't see this - if he wasn't thinking about this before. I hope he does, and follows the idea. That way he can fork off, with his systemd bloatware and his own kernel, and leave the rest of the Linux world return to sanity. Cheers, Ron. -- Falling in love is a lot like dying. You never get to do it enough to become good at it. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330150332.5afbc...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On 30/03/15 12:40 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. A. https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where Linux IS going :( I hope Lennart doesn't see this - if he wasn't thinking about this before. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551995fb.9060...@videotron.ca
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On 20150330_1433-0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 03/30/2015 12:40 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. A. https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where Linux IS going :( If you cock your head to one side, close one eye and squint, it actually makes sense. Unpopular? Maybe so, but it still makes sense, if only to make Linux less of a moving target for people to develop on. I'd LOVE to see one unified directory structure to rule them all, for instance. Imagine nVidia could deliver it's driver and have only one spot to install to across all of the distros. Yes, I would love to get rid of network manager as long as something BETTER replaces it. There's the rub as well. It's a lack of portability that keeps the Linux Desktop down there with the bottom feeders. One thing is for sure, systemd BETTER work as advertised, for all the controversy they have created. :/ Ric When I first heard about systemd, which was not so long ago, the decision for Debian to actually switch to systemd seemed to me to have already been made. I'm not responsible for some computer systems in some large organization, so my major concern was can I understand this new stuff? I noticed the new word 'cgroup'. I soon found out (from Wikipedia) that this was a major new feature that, after a long development, was finally a part of the Linux kernel, and differentiated it from other OS kernels. It seems to me there are many other ways of using cgroups than just systemd. They were not invented for the purpose of a disruptive departure from the Unix/Posix tradition, but for solving problems that were entirely within the kernel, or so it seemed at the time. If there is any reality to systemd people forking the kernel, I'm sure there will be plenty of kernel developers who will be happy to see them go, so that they can get on with the fun of applying cgroups to the problems for which they were developed, so it seems. There may be kernel developers who are interested in forking systemd and cleaning out the cruft brought on by a rushed development. ;-) -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330224359.ga20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
I don't know much about systemd; I'm curious as to why people think it's so terrible. This question is directed at the crowd, not just you. On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:40, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live. Or is it serious ? Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please! Enough of this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late. A. https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where Linux IS going :( A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55197c73.9080...@affinityvision.com.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/a16a740e-ca4e-4c2a-a2f4-e50e1db67...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
On 03/30/2015 08:38 PM, bjf...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much about systemd; I'm curious as to why people think it's so terrible. Use your google-fu. It's been hashed over to death on this list and frankly any attempt to resurrect yet another discussion is not encouraged, as there is nothing further to discuss that would be new. Enjoy your google search! :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551a1a5c.1020...@gmail.com
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
wow, seems real. That's funny. Now than everybody has switched to systemd, we would need to switch to a systemd kernel. (It really seems that systemd devs get hard time to speak to other people). And right after they would make systemd OS non-free (like many others open source projects do now) In one year we would have a new Windows OS Base on systemd (joke, but not so much) 2015-03-30 16:00 GMT+02:00 Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Or is it serious ? Cheers, Ron. -- The liar at any rate recognizes that recreation, not instruction, is the aim of conversation, and is a far more civilised being than the blockhead who loudly expresses his disbelief in a story which is told simply for the amusement of the company. -- Oscar Wilde -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150330100058.44e4a...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On 2014-12-08, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. Canis Latinicus. ;-) I spoke fluent Porcus Latinicus as a child by the way, not to flatter myself or anything. Lisi Curt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8dctd.21t.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 04:26:42PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 15:44:59 Michael Fothergill wrote: A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of its abs logically rationed everywhere ? ??? That was funny I think it is better than I was aiming for here. If you put into google translate (Latin to English) you get: A new fork of Debian - Devuan magically appeared without any logical reason at all Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the meat has gone bad!!! http://engrish.com/ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209152414.GE27095@tal
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:23:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is beforehand. :-) When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. ;-) Must have been a rough driver. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209153012.GF27095@tal
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On 09/12/2014, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:23:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is beforehand. :-) When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. ;-) Must have been a rough driver. I once, as a child, encountered a sod of a bus driver, that was an NZR bus driver, on the (mostly) one lane, windy ( as in not straight, rather than gusts of air), gravel road from Waikaremoana to Murupara, and he heeled and toed it, all of the way along the windy gravel road, and, the prick would not let me leave the bus, until I had cleaned the mess that he made me make on the (out)side of the bus, and, he made me sit at the back of the bus for the trip, and would not let me sit near the front of the bus, even though he was told that I did not travel well and that me sitting at the back of the bus, would probably make me ill. I assume that Caesar got a similar bus driver. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8py6vmzdu+b1zgpk3wzxj+zrsm_qgcv4gyvglz0mdk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
Not a bad translation, in fact, but the grammar is a bit of a mess. It is (the) Latin men you have sucking, not the language, and you have more than one of them so they should suck not sucks. (Latini is plural and sugit is singular.) I tried doing this again in French but it is not as easy as I thought. Oh well Regards Michael Fothergill A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On 08/12/2014, Michael Fothergill michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com wrote: snip A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of its abs logically rationed everywhere ? ??? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8phnp8w6ybzdhjrurxh2scp2dt6ffthk3krzpen8pf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of its abs logically rationed everywhere ? ??? That was funny I think it is better than I was aiming for here. If you put into google translate (Latin to English) you get: A new fork of Debian - Devuan magically appeared without any logical reason at all Regards Michael Fothergill
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Monday 08 December 2014 15:44:59 Michael Fothergill wrote: A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of its abs logically rationed everywhere ? ??? That was funny I think it is better than I was aiming for here. If you put into google translate (Latin to English) you get: A new fork of Debian - Devuan magically appeared without any logical reason at all Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the meat has gone bad!!! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412081626.42994.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the meat has gone bad!!! Lisi I tried translating one of the current mailing list topics - Debian fork: Devuan, Debian without systemd into Latin using google translate What you get is: Debian furca : Devuan , Debian absque systemd If you translate that back to English again it comes back with Debian fork : Devuan , Debian without systemd - but that doesn't give me much confidence any more. It could just be a fluke. Regards Michael Fothergill
[OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Monday 08 December 2014 16:58:51 Michael Fothergill wrote: Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the meat has gone bad!!! Lisi I said the above, I didn't say this, which you quote me as saying: I tried translating one of the current mailing list topics - Debian fork: Devuan, Debian without systemd into Latin using google translate Where did you get it from? Or did you say it yourself? And I had quoted what I was commenting on, which you have excised; and which was a totally non-Latin, mistranslated in both directions, monstrosity!! But I stand by what I said, if it is even sometimes as bad as that, remind me not to use it. Lisi What you get is: Debian furca : Devuan , Debian absque systemd If you translate that back to English again it comes back with Debian fork : Devuan , Debian without systemd - but that doesn't give me much confidence any more. It could just be a fluke. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412081726.42794.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 16:58:51 Michael Fothergill wrote: Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the meat has gone bad!!! Lisi I said the above, I didn't say this, which you quote me as saying: Oops! I didn't mean the positioning of the text to imply that you had written/said this I tried translating one of the current mailing list topics - Debian fork: Devuan, Debian without systemd into Latin using google translate Where did you get it from? Or did you say it yourself? And I had quoted what I was commenting on, which you have excised; I excised it because I thought you would remember what you said and not want it repeated and then assume the new stuff was mine But I now see that was not a wise thing to do Sorry about that. and which was a totally non-Latin, mistranslated in both directions, monstrosity!! That is unfortunate, but maybe I could still get a laugh out of the monstrosities from folks who are not Latin scholars But I stand by what I said, if it is even sometimes as bad as that, remind me not to use it. Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is beforehand. Lisi What you get is: Debian furca : Devuan , Debian absque systemd If you translate that back to English again it comes back with Debian fork : Devuan , Debian without systemd - but that doesn't give me much confidence any more. It could just be a fluke. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412081726.42794.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- Climostat Ltd Rm 5169 The Heath Business Technical Park The Heath Runcorn Cheshire WA7 4QX Tel. 01 928 515 015
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is beforehand. :-) When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412082323.04117.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
2014/11/20 15:17 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com: [...] Interesting that the allusion to awk and sed, missed the mark, on this list... :) [...] Just too pre-occupied to respond, although my memory is that the names were chosen in part for those puns. Joel Rees Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens. All is a stream of text flowing from the past into the future.
rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On 19/11/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 18 November 2014 21:02:53 Michael Fothergill wrote: I also tried translating the Latin expression I made back into English to check whether it would help anyone interested to get the joke But I noticed that google translate rendered it in English as: Time flies, whereas the Latin still sucks. Not a bad translation, in fact, but the grammar is a bit of a mess. It is (the) Latin men you have sucking, not the language, and you have more than one of them so they should suck not sucks. (Latini is plural and sugit is singular.) I love linguistic discussions, so bring on the disagreements - but they would be rather OT. Lisi The problem with trying to create pig-Latin proverbs (like nil desperandum illegitimos carborandum, etc, etc, etc), is that, from my little experience with it, Latin is a complicated and rule-bound language, with its cases and tenses (as opposed to tentses in cases) and genders and such, and if someone actually knows correct Latin, I believe it would become too tempting a target. Interesting that the allusion to awk and sed, missed the mark, on this list... :) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8ni8r2_4osqbtqxu4w8vmopm5d2c8acwzsjtetfmp+...@mail.gmail.com
Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Tuesday 18 November 2014 21:02:53 Michael Fothergill wrote: I also tried translating the Latin expression I made back into English to check whether it would help anyone interested to get the joke But I noticed that google translate rendered it in English as: Time flies, whereas the Latin still sucks. Not a bad translation, in fact, but the grammar is a bit of a mess. It is (the) Latin men you have sucking, not the language, and you have more than one of them so they should suck not sucks. (Latini is plural and sugit is singular.) I love linguistic discussions, so bring on the disagreements - but they would be rather OT. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411182219.26226.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Joke
Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! Or not! What do you think lol? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51990.51896...@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Share your favorite yo mama joke
I'll start: You mamma's so fat, when the cop saw her on the street corner, he said Break it up, you two! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/812233.23120...@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Re: Joke
On 27 April 2010 15:50, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! it's weird that you say it . what do you use Debian for , man ? Ubuntu is really a awesome OS, but i don't like it just like Debian . Or not! What do you think lol? I think Debian is really good , and i finish a lot my work with it , including entertainment. anyhow , anyone has his own favorite OS. -- wolf python london(WPL) Do as you soul should do !
Re: Joke
刘宇辉 wrote: On 27 April 2010 15:50, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! it's weird that you say it . what do you use Debian for , man ? Ubuntu is really a awesome OS, but i don't like it just like Debian . You are a very polite man it seems... :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd69fa5.8060...@gmail.com
Re: Joke
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! Or not! What do you think lol? Please, stop spamming this list Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/x2j81c921f31004270134le4c6ca24xd70abab56f8ef...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Joke
I, for one, thought it was funny. --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Joke To: Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 2:34 AM On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! Or not! What do you think lol? Please, stop spamming this list Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/82870.77422...@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Re: Joke
Ok. What I SHOULD have said was: Yo Ubuntu, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish. But DEBIAN is the greatest operating system of all time! --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Joke To: Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 2:36 AM I, for one, thought it was funny. --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Joke To: Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 2:34 AM On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! Or not! What do you think lol? Please, stop spamming this list Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/82870.77422...@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/427299.84044...@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Re: Joke
On Tuesday 27 April 2010 09:34:06 Javier Barroso wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! Or not! What do you think lol? Please, stop spamming this list Javier - Little things please little minds. And I have a delete key. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201004271024.28793.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Joke
Now now... Don't be hatin'. ;) --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: From: Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Joke To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:24 AM On Tuesday 27 April 2010 09:34:06 Javier Barroso wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Pomber tompom...@yahoo.com wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! Or not! What do you think lol? Please, stop spamming this list Javier - Little things please little minds. And I have a delete key. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201004271024.28793.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/690549.67290...@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Re: Joke
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 05:24:28 -0400 (EDT), Lisi wrote: Javier - Little things please little minds. And I have a delete key. ;-) Lisi's right. The best strategy for dealing with a jerk is to totally ignore him. Responding in any way only encourages him. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1485860070.17249.1272374864214.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Joke
On Tuesday 27 April 2010 02:50:08 Thomas Pomber wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! I don't find that joke funny. It's not offensive or anything, just the context is all messed up. Or not! What do you think lol? I prefer Debian because more packages are well-maintained under main. Ubuntu provides good support for universe, I guess. But, the fact that Ubuntu feels those packages need to be separated just demonstrates that they are second- class. Ubuntu LTS is my second choice, and something I recommend if it is likely that the user wants a commercial support contract. I find the package manager that Ubuntu shares with Debian to be enough of an advantage to put it above other solutions like RHEL or SLE(D/S). I am comfortable enough to use and maintain RHEL and SLE(S/D) in fairly simple environments, if the user has some specific need for one of those systems. That's rare, but is often related to third-party hardware or software being certified with one of those. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Joke
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:58:18 -0400 (EDT), Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Tuesday 27 April 2010 02:50:08 Thomas Pomber wrote: Yo Debian, I'm happy for you, and I'ma gonna let you finish, but Ubuntu is the greatest operating system of all time! I don't find that joke funny. It's not offensive or anything, just the context is all messed up. Or not! What do you think lol? I prefer Debian because more packages are well-maintained under main. Ubuntu provides good support for universe, I guess. But, the fact that Ubuntu feels those packages need to be separated just demonstrates that they are second- class. Ubuntu LTS is my second choice, and something I recommend if it is likely that the user wants a commercial support contract. I find the package manager that Ubuntu shares with Debian to be enough of an advantage to put it above other solutions like RHEL or SLE(D/S). I am comfortable enough to use and maintain RHEL and SLE(S/D) in fairly simple environments, if the user has some specific need for one of those systems. That's rare, but is often related to third-party hardware or software being certified with one of those. Your comparison and contrast of different distributions of Linux is interesting, Boyd; but please don't feed the troll. It only encourages him. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/485523199.29342.1272394168605.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 13:54:35 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 09:00:52PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 01:25:22PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Though we're treading damn close right now. Homophobia is sometimes the result of religous doctrine. How could religious doctrine result in a fear that everything will be like everything else? Entropy is the end-point of the universe. Rule #1 No pooftahs! Rule #2 No pooftahs! Rule #3 There is *no* rule 3 Rule #4 No pooftahs! Thanks a lot, Bruce, now I will have the drunk philosophers song stuck in my head for the rest of the day... -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
Hal Vaughan wrote:
On Tuesday 27 May 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:13:47AM +, i'll teach you to turn away.
wrote:
s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sk i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
granted, but i didn't want my boyfriend to read this
feel bad for being a giant slut before we got together. :D
sk High praise. This is the funniest post/thread I've read on
this list, sk ever.
sk [Ron, what happens if crank is female?]
well, turns out i am female, but it'd leave a bad taste to this
thread if we've uncovered anyone's homophobia.
oh don't worry. We'll uncover someone's homophobia quite nicely. So
long as the topic doesn't drift to religion, we'll be okay.
i mean, way more of a bad
taste than my previously-slutty boyfriend could've had he not come
to me bug-free. ;D
Come on, all geeks know nothing is bug free.
I wrote a C++ program that was bug free once. Worked perfectly every
time. Here's the source:
#include iostream
using namespace std;
int main(const int argc, char* argv[]) {
cout Hello World\n;
}
I've got a similar one I wrote in Perl that's bug free and one in Java
and one in TCL and I've even ported it to a few other languages.
Hal
I'd consider a girlfriend that can only say Hello World\n to be
definitely not bug free. But then, maybe I'm asking for too much?
Sjoerd
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Re: debian-offtopic list [Was: Re: obscenely OT Re: apt-get joke]
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:04:07PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Tue May 27 2008, Andrei Popescu wrote: Just remember how many people receive these mails.. Maybe you want to advocate for a debian-offtopic list: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427218 Regards, Andrei -- but that was 2007, this is 2008.. and it never got created? is there a current OT bug to vote YES for??? The bug is still open, just send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your stance. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
Hal Vaughan wrote:
On Tuesday 27 May 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:13:47AM +, i'll teach you to turn
away.
wrote:
s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sk i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
granted, but i didn't want my boyfriend to read this
feel bad for being a giant slut before we got together. :D
sk High praise. This is the funniest post/thread I've read on
this list, sk ever.
sk [Ron, what happens if crank is female?]
well, turns out i am female, but it'd leave a bad taste to this
thread if we've uncovered anyone's homophobia.
oh don't worry. We'll uncover someone's homophobia quite nicely.
So long as the topic doesn't drift to religion, we'll be okay.
i mean, way more of a bad
taste than my previously-slutty boyfriend could've had he not
come to me bug-free. ;D
Come on, all geeks know nothing is bug free.
I wrote a C++ program that was bug free once. Worked perfectly
every time. Here's the source:
#include iostream
using namespace std;
int main(const int argc, char* argv[]) {
cout Hello World\n;
}
I've got a similar one I wrote in Perl that's bug free and one in
Java and one in TCL and I've even ported it to a few other
languages.
Hal
I'd consider a girlfriend that can only say Hello World\n to be
definitely not bug free. But then, maybe I'm asking for too much?
If your girlfriend is coded in C++, then this is the least of your
worries.
Hal
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Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:05:53AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 13:54:35 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 09:00:52PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 01:25:22PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Though we're treading damn close right now. Homophobia is sometimes the result of religous doctrine. How could religious doctrine result in a fear that everything will be like everything else? Entropy is the end-point of the universe. Rule #1 No pooftahs! Rule #2 No pooftahs! Rule #3 There is *no* rule 3 Rule #4 No pooftahs! Thanks a lot, Bruce, now I will have the drunk philosophers song stuck in my head for the rest of the day... 1 2 3 ... half a pint of whisk-ey ev-er-y--day Aristotle Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle tra la la la la la... I drink there-fore I am! -- Chris. == One, with God, is always a majority, but many a martyr has been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted. -- Thomas B. Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 13:54:35 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 09:00:52PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Rule #1 No pooftahs! Rule #2 No pooftahs! Rule #3 There is *no* rule 3 Rule #4 No pooftahs! Thanks a lot, Bruce, now I will have the drunk philosophers song stuck in my head for the rest of the day... -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | Florian? Is your name not Bruce? That's going to cause a little confusion. Mind if we call you Bruce to keep it clear? -- Henry Luciano Mote Marine Laboratory IS Director 941-388-4441 x409 The computer ... is an Old Testament God - lots of rules and no mercy. ~ Joseph Campbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 08:14:17PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:07:45 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Come on, all geeks know nothing is bug free. The bugs just haven't And you call yourself a Mutt user! From the manpage: Quote BUGS None. Mutts have fleas, not bugs. ... For a more up-to-date list of bugs, errm, fleas, please visit the mutt project’s bug tracking system under http://bugs.mutt.org/. /Quote pah. who reads manpages? ;-0 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 08:14:17PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:07:45 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Come on, all geeks know nothing is bug free. The bugs just haven't And you call yourself a Mutt user! From the manpage: Quote BUGS None. Mutts have fleas, not bugs. ... For a more up-to-date list of bugs, errm, fleas, please visit the mutt project’s bug tracking system under http://bugs.mutt.org/. /Quote pah. who reads manpages? Is that what they're there for? Who knew? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GP El mar, 27-05-2008 a las 15:22 +, i'll teach you to turn away. http://tinyurl.com/ail9 http://compunction.org/art.html allow me to draw further attention to myself. :D GP Aren't you the girl from the sexchart? haha, i'm the one who administrates the sexchart, but i'd never say i'm from it. :D lish do you think you can forget anything? [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am the saint of indecency. -jc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obscenely OT Re: apt-get joke
Cantilevered elastics work wonders. As does a firm dis-belief in gravity. One view of National Geographic will disabuse you of that notion... that's the whole point of firm dis-belief! National Geographic is just clearly mistaken. Plus few of those were likely to be of the proportions under discussion here. A Andrew, I just have to ask... are you using the word firm on purpose, or was that little pun not intentional? :-) - Dave -- Dave Parker Utica College Department of Integrated Information Technology Services Data Processing Office (315) 792-3229 Registered Linux User #408177 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obscenely OT Re: apt-get joke
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 01:23:27PM -0400, David A. Parker wrote: Cantilevered elastics work wonders. As does a firm dis-belief in gravity. One view of National Geographic will disabuse you of that notion... that's the whole point of firm dis-belief! National Geographic is just clearly mistaken. Plus few of those were likely to be of the proportions under discussion here. A Andrew, I just have to ask... are you using the word firm on purpose, or was that little pun not intentional? :-) interestingly, when I first typed it, it was unintentional, but by the time I was hacking my way through dis-belief (which is amazingly hard to type... i before e...) I was laughing. So the fact that it remained, and was repeated was entirely intentional. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:25:31 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:19:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/27/08 10:04, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 06:36:21AM +0200, s. keeling wrote: i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ASW [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: ASW us-ascii, 21 lines --] well, the newer versions may be flasher, but they're definitely less stable. at the end of the day, i'd rather have a lover who's been tested by the masses ( came out bug-free!) - then installed on my machine alone - than the newest version which may segfault on me at any time... ASW hmmm... not sure about the tested by the masses part, ASW though ending up bug-free is definitely good. Maybe ASW adequately tested is better? granted, but i didn't want my boyfriend to read this feel bad for being a giant slut before we got together. :D High praise. This is the funniest post/thread I've read on this list, ever. [Ron, what happens if crank is female?] Ooh! I know the answer to this one! We all crowd around her, sort of giggling. A variety of questions get asked ultimately focusing on how it must be weird to be the only woman around here. How it must have helped her to be female in the insert tech oriented degree department. Then when she's had enough scrutiny, she wanders away and we're all left wondering what happened. lather rinse repeat. ;-P Actually, there are 2, maybe three other semi-active women on the list. The reason is obvious: math is hard, computers are icky. yeah I know. But IMO it's that boys like computers and boys are icky. Therefore computers are icky. A Give that boy a gold star!! -- Raquel Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. --Louis Dembitz Brandeis (-), Justice US Supreme Court -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/08 10:21, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: [snip] i DID get him to switch two of his three computers to debian... the windows machine exists solely so he cav VPN to work with proprietary software. that's one bugfix... well, 2/3rds of one anyhow. :D If it's a desktop system, maybe it could run in a VM? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPGZfS9HxQb37XmcRAoiCAJ93J+cVz9omfdoO1znlRbp7mDfpqgCgz1Kb OgUS9esbJ5JEyoqNgxkbt6c= =2rsC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Tuesday 27 May 2008 08:07:45 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:13:47AM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sk i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: granted, but i didn't want my boyfriend to read this feel bad for being a giant slut before we got together. :D sk High praise. This is the funniest post/thread I've read on this list, sk ever. sk [Ron, what happens if crank is female?] well, turns out i am female, but it'd leave a bad taste to this thread if we've uncovered anyone's homophobia. oh don't worry. We'll uncover someone's homophobia quite nicely. So long as the topic doesn't drift to religion, we'll be okay. Though we're treading damn close right now. Homophobia is sometimes the result of religous doctrine. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explaination of .pgp part: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/rant-gpg.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Tuesday 27 May 2008 07:24:25 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/27/08 09:07, Raymond A. Meijer wrote: On Tue 27 May 2008 8:56, Ron Johnson wrote: hey, i figure - we're already WILDLY off-topic, right? how much worse can it get? :D A lot worse. /me grabs pop corn and Coca Cola... :-P Exactly. Sol going nova, When that happens, if it's anything like my old Chevy Nova, it'll light up the night sky! intergalactic construction company building a freeway, Not their problem we can't be bothered to check the plans on file in some office just 4 lightyears away in Alpha Centauri. huge ball of garbage heading straight for New New York, Bah. We can always launch another ball of garbage at it to deflect it. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explaination of .pgp part: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/rant-gpg.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: debian-offtopic list [Was: Re: obscenely OT Re: apt-get joke]
On Tuesday 27 May 2008 08:32:52 am Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:19:13PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: If you want off-topic mail there are better places than debian-user to pollute. Just remember how many people receive these mails.. Maybe you want to advocate for a debian-offtopic list: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427218 Never mind debian-user's topic statement is Help and discussion among users of Debian, which seems to suggest that there's no off-topic /threads/, just off-topic /people/ (ie, ubuntu users). -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explaination of .pgp part: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/rant-gpg.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Tue, 27 May 2008 13:25:22 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2008 08:07:45 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:13:47AM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sk i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: granted, but i didn't want my boyfriend to read this feel bad for being a giant slut before we got together. :D sk High praise. This is the funniest post/thread I've read on sk this list, sk ever. sk [Ron, what happens if crank is female?] well, turns out i am female, but it'd leave a bad taste to this thread if we've uncovered anyone's homophobia. oh don't worry. We'll uncover someone's homophobia quite nicely. So long as the topic doesn't drift to religion, we'll be okay. Though we're treading damn close right now. Homophobia is sometimes the result of religous doctrine. -- Paul Johnson So has been racism. Neither is good. -- Raquel Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. --Louis Dembitz Brandeis (-), Justice US Supreme Court -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/08 17:38, Raquel wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008 13:25:22 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2008 08:07:45 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:13:47AM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sk i'll teach you to turn away. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: granted, but i didn't want my boyfriend to read this feel bad for being a giant slut before we got together. :D sk High praise. This is the funniest post/thread I've read on sk this list, sk ever. sk [Ron, what happens if crank is female?] well, turns out i am female, but it'd leave a bad taste to this thread if we've uncovered anyone's homophobia. oh don't worry. We'll uncover someone's homophobia quite nicely. So long as the topic doesn't drift to religion, we'll be okay. Though we're treading damn close right now. Homophobia is sometimes the result of religous doctrine. So has been racism. Neither is good. Blah blah blah pablum. Won't anyone stand up and say, I'm a homophobe and damned proud of it!? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPI8AS9HxQb37XmcRAjy0AKCfU6TlcJNZKAEYn2NIsMXzPQau3ACg6KYG B1aMVZX/wBatRrnXX5cTPqM= =LgTq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 27 May 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Come on, all geeks know nothing is bug free. I wrote a C++ program that was bug free once. Worked perfectly every time. Here's the source: Doesn't do mail, so it's not done. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 27 May 2008 08:07:45 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote: oh don't worry. We'll uncover someone's homophobia quite nicely. So long as the topic doesn't drift to religion, we'll be okay. Though we're treading damn close right now. Homophobia is sometimes the result of religous doctrine. I imagine the reverse is true too. The local news carried a story the other day about a school that was hypeing diversity, and they instructed the kids to make T-shirts with anti-homophobe sayings to participate. Some sharp little cookies came up with Homophobia is Gay. They were told to change since that would be considered a disparaging comment under the present regime. I'm not making this up. Nicely done t's too, silkscreened, with sparkles. Yo baloo. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wildly OT: Re: apt-get joke
On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:07:45 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Come on, all geeks know nothing is bug free. The bugs just haven't And you call yourself a Mutt user! From the manpage: Quote BUGS None. Mutts have fleas, not bugs. ... For a more up-to-date list of bugs, errm, fleas, please visit the mutt project’s bug tracking system under http://bugs.mutt.org/. /Quote A Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
