Re: KDE, openoffice bug
You may want to configure Thunderbird to recognize list mail and send it as plain text automatically. The Thunderbird HTML destroys quoting levels. Okay, well I used that command. BUT, it DOES NOT list FIREFOX as one of the alternatives. There are only 4 listed: 1 /usr/bin/konqueror 2 /usr/bin/iceape 3 /usr/bin/opera 4 /usr/bin/iceweasel And I don't want any of those. I want Firefox to run from my personal directory, within home. Is there any way to ADD that to this program as an alternative browser? That is a good question, I've never tried to do that. I do not know how x-www-browser knows what is a browser, but as Opera is listed (not a default Debian package) then it must be possible to add browsers to it's list. When you configure Opera or Iceweasel, does OOo open them in that browser or still use Konqueror? I need to know that to determine if it is a KDE or OOo issue. Now, it MIGHT be possible to choose /usr/bin/iseweasel IF I can trick the iceweasel virtual link into redirecting the system to the /home/.../Firefox/Firefox program I WANT to raise? Any suggestions about how I could do that Soft link, I suppose. (Another probram I have with OOo, which MAY or MAY NOT be related is something that also developed late in my use of Mandriva 2008 version. I used that prior to switching to Debian Etch (and now Lenny) about 2 years ago. I frequently cut and paste from web pages into OOo writer --- as a way of saving data and notes, all in one document. But if there are little yellow cells, or notes embedded in the web pages, when I paste them onto an OpenOffice writer doc, the whole OOo program crashes. In Mandriva, this was a CRITCAL issue. It was the final straw that drove me away from Mandriva. In Debian, it's only started recently, and is infrequent --- but still troubling.) You should start a different thread on this. Yes, including ODF and DOC files. Writers pretty much need this feature. It's critical (Not just personal fancy or choice; CRITICAL) A couple of weeks ago, I installed that mozilla-openoffice.org plugin. HOWEVER, the mozilla or Firefox option that was supposed to then appear in the OppenOffice writer tools -- options -- internet -- subdirectory did not appear. It still shows ONLY --- Proxy, --- search and --- E-mail. I am not familiar with the plugin, but from what I understood of Tom's post it is a Firefox plugin, not an OOo plugin. I also considered upgrading to OpenOffice 3 from 2.4.1, but THAT seemed like it might louse up other programs, and adversely affect dependencies, so I removed OpenOffice3 and all the related libraries etc. You would have to tackle them one by one. I personally have had no issues with OOo 3.0 or 3.1 but my usage is much more basic than yours. Again, I don't think the problem is KDE. All the other programs I'm running, including non-KDE programs like eg Thunderbird, and audio and video programs, recognize Firefox as the system default That's why I want you to change the default to Opera to see how OOo behaves. Any more suggestions are more than welcome. I'd file an OpenOffice bug comment if I could figure out how to use that system, but it's Greek to me (no offense meant, and I hope none taken, to any Greeks on this list)! This is the OOo QA registration page: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/7/7 Red Hen alyssaalap...@gmail.com: Sirs-- I have designated Firefox my Debian Lenny system's MAIN web browser, as stipulated in the KDE Control Center. Which version of KDE? Did you type in /usr/bin/firefox or firefox or select Firefox from the list? Note that Firefox is called Iceweasel in Debian due to restrictive Mozilla licensing. HOWEVER, I CANNOT open links in openoffice.org writer documents with firefox. No matter how many times I have reset the KDE Control component to stipulate firefox as the default web browser on my system, opening links in open office documents ALWAYS results in a Konqueror browser opening. If I then attempt to switch to a firefox browser, the system first downloads a file of the page in question and then opens the FILE with firefox. This is unacceptable. I want to be able to browse the web with firefox 3.5 located in my home directory without Konqueror as an intermediary. I do not want Konqui to open from inside openoffice documents AT ALL. This is a Firefox setting, but Firefox cannot open ODT documents anyway so I find this unusual. What types of files, specifically, are we talking about here? Ooo doesn't follow kde settings, you have to set alternatives: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser If you want iceweasel to open Ooo files, use package mozilla-openoffice.org which installs a plugin. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
Red, it seems that you replied directly to me instead of the mailing list. I am ccing the mailing list to keep the discussion onlist. WOW! You are FAST! Thank you. (Are you in Israel? If I have the right person, you seem to have Ivrit on your web page. My kid just came back from 9 months in Israel!) Yes, I live in Nesher, near Haifa. Where was your son? Below, you will see that your HTML formatted mail destroyed the quoting hierarchy, so you may want to disable HTML mail for the mailing list. In fact, the mailing list etiquette guidelines forbit HTML mail! The KDE release is 3.5.10; I know that the system does not COME with firefox, but I installed firefox 3.5 from tarballs downloaded at the mozilla website. It's installed in my /home/alyssa/firefox folder, and I have tried using three different paths in the component chooser --- none of which maes any difference : /home/alyssa/firefox/firefox ; /home/alyssa/bin/firefox; and also just plain firefox; I just tried /usr/bin/firefox as well, and that did not work, either, (though the firefox in the last path is a virtual link, not the actual executable) Another poster mentioned that the KDE settings do not affect OOo. This seems related to a bug I filed recently: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=197727 If it is a KDE issue and not an OOo issue, then I will add that info to the bug and change it's title appropriately. Thank you for the tip. In the meantime, have you tried the other method the right way, really that Tom suggested? Here, I correct your mailer's HTML quoting for clarity: If I then attempt to switch to a firefox browser, the system first downloads a file of the page in question and then opens the FILE with firefox. This is unacceptable. I want to be able to browse the web with firefox 3.5 located in my home directory without Konqueror as an intermediary. I do not want Konqui to open from inside openoffice documents AT ALL. I am talking about opening html web pages and html documents from links embedded within my openoffice documents. If the file is HTML, what program would you expect to open it other than Firefox? I am a writer. I frequently embed links into stories, as is required by online publications, before submission. However, when I am working on these documents, and want to check the efficacy of links within the openoffice documents, only Konqui will open them. KDE does use firefox for everything else, but NOT to open links inside openoffice documents. (Mind you, I am NOT talking about opening openoffice documents with firefox! I want to be able to open embedded links WITHIN OpenOffice documents with firefox.) There does not seem to be any setting in OpenOffice to specify the broswer to open embedded links. And I can'f dind any discussion on firefox, debian, openoffice or kde discussion boards about this specific problem. But I have been grappling with it since installing etch about 1.5 years ago. I never had this specific problem with Mandriva. Debian, on the other hand, just does not recognize forefox as my main broswer, when I open links in openoffice docs. Debian's issues with copyright should have nothing whatever to do with this, as firefox is installed properly and works for EVERYTHING else, including all updates and broswer add-ons Apparently, either KDE is setting a KDE-only setting (likely) or OOo is not respecting the system default (unlikely). If as I suspect KDE is setting only the KDE setting, and not the system setting, then you need to set the system setting be an alternative means, such as Tom suggested above. THANK YOU again for your speedy reply, and any help you can suggest Happily! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: PS: KDE, openoffice bug
CCing the list, please keep all Debian-related discussions onlist. Thanks. Years ago, I had a similar issue with Thunderbird; I couldn't get firefox to open links in emails opened or read in the Thunderbird program. In THAT case, there was some specific setting inside Thunderbird that allowed me to fix the program. Openoffice, though, does not seem to have a similar tool to specify which browser should open html links inside its documents. OOo should respect the system setting, which I suspect KDE does not configure. The system setting must be configured by a non-KDE tool. Toda Raba (again)! Best always-- Alyssa (Aliza Chana, in Ivrit, which, SIGH, I do not speak much at all...) As you afford me to opportunity to practice my English with you, feel free to practice your Hebrew with me off list! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
I can reproduce the issue on KDE 4, where Kcontrol is called System Settings and therefore should affect the whole system, not just KDE apps. Please comment on this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199326 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
I am not sure if it's an OOo issue; it might be. HOWEVER, the KDE system/environment DOES recognize Firefox as the default for web addresses from inside all other KDE and non-KDE programs, e.g. Thunderbird, audio and video programs, and so on. It's ONLY inside OOo that Firefox is not recognized as the system default. It does appear to be a KDE issue. I've filed a bug report. However, OOo has it's own share of issues regarding support for system settings: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102517 That is one of tens that I know about. Sorry, what is the right way, that Tom suggested? Can you send me a link to those instructions or block quote them below? (Thank you.) update-alternatives --config x-www-browser (Another probram I have with OOo, which MAY or MAY NOT be related is something that also developed late in my use of Mandriva 2008 version. I used that prior to switching to Debian Etch (and now Lenny) about 2 years ago. I frequently cut and paste from web pages into OOo writer --- as a way of saving data and notes, all in one document. But if there are little yellow cells, or notes embedded in the web pages, when I paste them onto an OpenOffice writer doc, the whole OOo program crashes. In Mandriva, this was a CRITCAL issue. It was the final straw that drove me away from Mandriva. In Debian, it's only started recently, and is infrequent --- but still troubling.) The main issue for the moment, though, is getting OOo writer to open links with the default Firefox browser I have designated. See if config-x-www-browser helps, and let us know! If the file is HTML, what program would you expect to open it other than Firefox? No other program, that is the point. I want Firefox to be my default browser for all web-based URLs, no matter what program I use. Including ODF files? For that you will need another suggestion of Toms': the mozilla-openoffice.org plugin. It's CRITICAL you know --- I never had this problem in earlier versions of KDE, when I was working on the Mandriva distribution. I know that it can be annoying. (I had LOTS of other problems with Mandriva (!) which is why I finally quit using that distribution. There were massive numbers of bugs. But this problem was not one of them. That's another reason I am not sure it is a KDE bug --- unless it's a bug that developed in the later KDE 3.2 and 3.5 versions. It is present in KDE 4.3 RC, that is enough to file an issue on. I don't use links in my ODF files, so I never noticed it in KDE 3.x. Again, I don't think the problem is KDE. All the other programs I'm running, including non-KDE programs like eg Thunderbird, and audio and video programs, recognize Firefox as the system default. That is good to know. Maybe it is an OOo issue. I am REALLY a novice when it comes to editing system or /etc files. My personal Linux guru (mentioned above) warned me NEVER to do this without his supervision, or I could break the whole system. That is usually good advice! What did he say when you asked him about this issue? So, please be very specific, because I'm not a total techi -- and certainly not when it comes to editing system setting files I respectfully request instructions in steps, 1) 2) 3) (and so on) with basic layman's English --- and no technological jargon or shortcuts. I don't understand the meaning of half the Linux-only words. I'm not on the Debian partition right now, but it will be very straightforward. Many many kind and gracious thanks to one and all! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
Dotan Cohen wrote: Red, it seems that you replied directly to me instead of the mailing list. I am ccing the mailing list to keep the discussion onlist. Okay, sorry about that. I tried installing the bugs program, but it wanted to take out other programs that I use... I've disabled HTML for this mailing. WOW! You are FAST! Thank you. Below, you will see that your HTML formatted mail destroyed the quoting hierarchy, so you may want to disable HTML mail for the mailing list. In fact, the mailing list etiquette guidelines forbit HTML mail! The KDE release is 3.5.10; I know that the system does not COME with firefox, but I installed firefox 3.5 from tarballs downloaded at the mozilla website. It's installed in my /home/alyssa/firefox folder, and I have tried using three different paths in the component chooser --- none of which maes any difference : /home/alyssa/firefox/firefox ; /home/alyssa/bin/firefox; and also just plain firefox; I just tried /usr/bin/firefox as well, and that did not work, either, (though the firefox in the last path is a virtual link, not the actual executable) Another poster mentioned that the KDE settings do not affect OOo. This seems related to a bug I filed recently: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=197727 If it is a KDE issue and not an OOo issue, then I will add that info to the bug and change it's title appropriately. Thank you for the tip. In the meantime, have you tried the other method the right way, really that Tom suggested? I am not sure if it's an OOo issue; it might be. HOWEVER, the KDE system/environment DOES recognize Firefox as the default for web addresses from inside all other KDE and non-KDE programs, e.g. Thunderbird, audio and video programs, and so on. It's ONLY inside OOo that Firefox is not recognized as the system default. Sorry, what is the right way, that Tom suggested? Can you send me a link to those instructions or block quote them below? (Thank you.) (Another probram I have with OOo, which MAY or MAY NOT be related is something that also developed late in my use of Mandriva 2008 version. I used that prior to switching to Debian Etch (and now Lenny) about 2 years ago. I frequently cut and paste from web pages into OOo writer --- as a way of saving data and notes, all in one document. But if there are little yellow cells, or notes embedded in the web pages, when I paste them onto an OpenOffice writer doc, the whole OOo program crashes. In Mandriva, this was a CRITCAL issue. It was the final straw that drove me away from Mandriva. In Debian, it's only started recently, and is infrequent --- but still troubling.) The main issue for the moment, though, is getting OOo writer to open links with the default Firefox browser I have designated. Here, I correct your mailer's HTML quoting for clarity If I then attempt to switch to a firefox browser, the system first downloads a file of the page in question and then opens the FILE with firefox. This is unacceptable. I want to be able to browse the web with firefox 3.5 located in my home directory without Konqueror as an intermediary. I do not want Konqui to open from inside openoffice documents AT ALL. I am talking about opening html web pages and html documents from links embedded within my openoffice documents. If the file is HTML, what program would you expect to open it other than Firefox? No other program, that is the point. I want Firefox to be my default browser for all web-based URLs, no matter what program I use. Konqueror is okay for desktop windows and system files. In OOo, however, I want Firefox to be the default browser to open all web-based URLs and links, like it is in all other end user applications. So far, though I have only been able to open links inside OOo documents with Konqueror. It's CRITICAL you know --- I never had this problem in earlier versions of KDE, when I was working on the Mandriva distribution. (I had LOTS of other problems with Mandriva (!) which is why I finally quit using that distribution. There were massive numbers of bugs. But this problem was not one of them. That's another reason I am not sure it is a KDE bug --- unless it's a bug that developed in the later KDE 3.2 and 3.5 versions. I frequently embed links into articles, as required by online publications. However, when I am working on these documents, and want to check the efficacy of links within the openoffice documents, only Konqui will open them. KDE does use firefox for everything else, but NOT to open links inside openoffice documents. (Mind you, I am NOT talking about opening openoffice documents with firefox! I want to be able to open embedded links WITHIN OpenOffice documents with firefox.) There does not seem to be any setting in OpenOffice to specify the broswer to open embedded links. And I can'f dind any discussion on firefox, debian, openoffice or kde discussion boards about this specific problem. But I have been grappling with it
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
Okay, I posted my comment: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199326 If anyone wants more detail posted, please let me know. Dotan Cohen wrote: I can reproduce the issue on KDE 4, where Kcontrol is called System Settings and therefore should affect the whole system, not just KDE apps. Please comment on this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199326
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
Dotan Cohen wrote: I am not sure if it's an OOo issue; it might be. HOWEVER, the KDE system/environment DOES recognize Firefox as the default for web addresses from inside all other KDE and non-KDE programs, e.g. Thunderbird, audio and video programs, and so on. It's ONLY inside OOo that Firefox is not recognized as the system default. It does appear to be a KDE issue. I've filed a bug report. However, OOo has it's own share of issues regarding support for system settings: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102517 That is one of tens that I know about. INTERESTING At LAST I found someone who sees that it's not just my own personal little black cloud causing these issues!!! (LOL) Sorry, what is the right way, that Tom suggested? Can you send me a link to those instructions or block quote them below? (Thank you.) update-alternatives --config x-www-browser Okay, well I used that command. BUT, it DOES NOT list FIREFOX as one of the alternatives. There are only 4 listed: 1/usr/bin/konqueror 2/usr/bin/iceape 3/usr/bin/opera 4/usr/bin/iceweasel And I don't want any of those. I want Firefox to run from my personal directory, within home. Is there any way to ADD that to this program as an alternative browser? Now, it MIGHT be possible to choose /usr/bin/iseweasel IF I can trick the iceweasel virtual link into redirecting the system to the /home/.../Firefox/Firefox program I WANT to raise? Any suggestions about how I could do that Or anything else? (Another probram I have with OOo, which MAY or MAY NOT be related is something that also developed late in my use of Mandriva 2008 version. I used that prior to switching to Debian Etch (and now Lenny) about 2 years ago. I frequently cut and paste from web pages into OOo writer --- as a way of saving data and notes, all in one document. But if there are little yellow cells, or notes embedded in the web pages, when I paste them onto an OpenOffice writer doc, the whole OOo program crashes. In Mandriva, this was a CRITCAL issue. It was the final straw that drove me away from Mandriva. In Debian, it's only started recently, and is infrequent --- but still troubling.) The main issue for the moment, though, is getting OOo writer to open links with the default Firefox browser I have designated. See if config-x-www-browser helps, and let us know! If the file is HTML, what program would you expect to open it other than Firefox? No other program, that is the point. I want Firefox to be my default browser for all web-based URLs, no matter what program I use. Including ODF files? For that you will need another suggestion of Toms': the mozilla-openoffice.org plugin. Yes, including ODF and DOC files. Writers pretty much need this feature. It's critical (Not just personal fancy or choice; CRITICAL) A couple of weeks ago, I installed that mozilla-openoffice.org plugin. HOWEVER, the mozilla or Firefox option that was supposed to then appear in the OppenOffice writer tools -- options -- internet -- subdirectory did not appear. It still shows ONLY --- Proxy, --- search and --- E-mail. No mozilla, no Firefox. No change! I still have the plugin. MAYBE I should copy it to another directory. If so, however, I don't know where to find the plugin --- or where to copy it to. I also considered upgrading to OpenOffice 3 from 2.4.1, but THAT seemed like it might louse up other programs, and adversely affect dependencies, so I removed OpenOffice3 and all the related libraries etc. It's CRITICAL you know --- I never had this problem in earlier versions of KDE, when I was working on the Mandriva distribution. I know that it can be annoying. (I had LOTS of other problems with Mandriva (!) which is why I finally quit using that distribution. There were massive numbers of bugs. But this problem was not one of them. That's another reason I am not sure it is a KDE bug --- unless it's a bug that developed in the later KDE 3.2 and 3.5 versions. It is present in KDE 4.3 RC, that is enough to file an issue on. I don't use links in my ODF files, so I never noticed it in KDE 3.x. Again, I don't think the problem is KDE. All the other programs I'm running, including non-KDE programs like eg Thunderbird, and audio and video programs, recognize Firefox as the system default That is good to know. Maybe it is an OOo issue I am REALLY a novice when it comes to editing system or /etc files. My personal Linux guru (mentioned above) warned me NEVER to do this without his supervision, or I could break the whole system. That is usually good advice! What did he say when you asked him about this issue? He threw up his hands. It's a lot of complication, and it's not something he could easily fix remotely. Plus, I don't want to trouble him with something like this. It's critical to me; to him, it's just an annoyance, and he doesn't
KDE, openoffice bug
Sirs-- I have designated Firefox my Debian Lenny system's MAIN web browser, as stipulated in the KDE Control Center. HOWEVER, I CANNOT open links in openoffice.org writer documents with firefox. No matter how many times I have reset the KDE Control component to stipulate firefox as the default web browser on my system, opening links in open office documents ALWAYS results in a Konqueror browser opening. If I then attempt to switch to a firefox browser, the system first downloads a file of the page in question and then opens the FILE with firefox. This is unacceptable. I want to be able to browse the web with firefox 3.5 located in my home directory without Konqueror as an intermediary. I do not want Konqui to open from inside openoffice documents AT ALL. I have tried everything. Nothing works. Please advise if there are any bug reports about this problem. I have been unable to find any discussions or resolutions of this problem anywhere. Thank you!
Re: KDE, openoffice bug
2009/7/7 Red Hen alyssaalap...@gmail.com: Sirs-- I have designated Firefox my Debian Lenny system's MAIN web browser, as stipulated in the KDE Control Center. Which version of KDE? Did you type in /usr/bin/firefox or firefox or select Firefox from the list? Note that Firefox is called Iceweasel in Debian due to restrictive Mozilla licensing. HOWEVER, I CANNOT open links in openoffice.org writer documents with firefox. No matter how many times I have reset the KDE Control component to stipulate firefox as the default web browser on my system, opening links in open office documents ALWAYS results in a Konqueror browser opening. If I then attempt to switch to a firefox browser, the system first downloads a file of the page in question and then opens the FILE with firefox. This is unacceptable. I want to be able to browse the web with firefox 3.5 located in my home directory without Konqueror as an intermediary. I do not want Konqui to open from inside openoffice documents AT ALL. This is a Firefox setting, but Firefox cannot open ODT documents anyway so I find this unusual. What types of files, specifically, are we talking about here? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
