Re: KDE Question
Andrei Popescu wrote: Considering that the life expectancy of squeeze is ~3 years IMHO it would have been wrong to stay with 3.5. Having both would be ideal, but the KDE team lacks manpower. which kde team - the kde - kde team or the debian kde team. Nevertheless the people who pushed kde into distros are responsible for providing working applications. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i9v3v0$dr...@dough.gmane.org
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On Sb, 23 oct 10, 18:53:52, deloptes wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: Considering that the life expectancy of squeeze is ~3 years IMHO it would have been wrong to stay with 3.5. Having both would be ideal, but the KDE team lacks manpower. which kde team - the kde - kde team or the debian kde team. The Debian KDE Team. Nevertheless the people who pushed kde into distros are responsible for providing working applications. Of course they are, in direct proportion to the money you are paying to use their work ;-) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE Question
Andrei Popescu wrote: Of course they are, in direct proportion to the money you are paying to use their work ;-) no reason for being sarcastic. I'm experienced user and I can make rational decisions after getharing information, but there are so many people who use what they get. It's also not about the money, it's about mess! If you are getting f**king stupid decisions there is no guarantee you are going to change it if you get payed. Above all I thought debian is getting support from k/ubuntu but as far as I know ubuntu also lacks kde maintainers. Me personally I don't mind. I think I'll upgrade either later or I'll use trinity (which I've already installed in sqeeze and started testing). regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i9veb4$ql...@dough.gmane.org
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On Jo, 14 oct 10, 18:22:15, deloptes wrote: So after I found out that it is a crap without even installing it I started waiting and following few threads in few groups. As with kde 3 I thought kde 4 will become pretty usable in it's 5th incarnation, but still it is not, so basically I don't understand why the debian team does not recognize this and drops the unusable crap from squeeze before it became testing and include the latest 3.5 (I am afraid it is too late now). Finally debian is the issue and not KDE (again in my opinion) because debian is aiming to be the most stable linux distro (or I would claim if they don't). Of course the desktop (among other desktops) is not that important component of the debian distro, but I think I am not the only one that wants to go on with kde 3 until kde4 is really at production level or nearly to what kde 3.5 offers. Considering that the life expectancy of squeeze is ~3 years IMHO it would have been wrong to stay with 3.5. Having both would be ideal, but the KDE team lacks manpower. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE Question
In 20101014013309.ga25...@khazad-dum.debian.net, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Celejar wrote: Interesting, thanks. The look I don't really care about, and switching users isn't relevant for me, since I'm the only user of the system. The xscreensaver author has a low opinion of gnome-screensaver: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#gnome-screensaver http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html But I have no idea how serious his concerns are, and whether they are uptodate for current gnome-screensaver. I am not sure about the gnome screensaver, but he is spot on about bells-and-whistles-focused unsafe dekstop environment crap being a security hazard, and it DOES apply to KDE4's screensaver. I've seen the KDE4 screensaver: 1. Fail to activate, especially if there is a large IO load in 2.6.32's crap CFQ io scheduler + ext4. This is not surprising, as KDE4 fails to even switch window *focus* in a heavy IO load, which is utterly insane. Why the heck does the window manager have to hit the disk to change windows focus?! +1 2. Leak information (i.e. show the workspace) both when activating (blinks), and when going out of DPMS or redrawing the screen. Doesn't happen always, but still... +1 4. delay its activation for weird reasons, leaving everything unlocked. +1; I've come back to my system HOURS later to find it either unlocked or doesn't require a password to unlock. The KDE4 screensaver has more race conditions than multithreaded code written by someone who thinks volatile int a semasphore make. And they aren't theoretical problems, I've definitely seen all three of the above on my own hardware. Perhaps I should switch to XScreenSaver instead. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Question
In aanlktikrkocaahphueo6nnmeuh40xrqgx=zyyz7hv...@mail.gmail.com, Arthur Machlas wrote: 3. Given Red Hats deep involvement in gnome, I'd put my money on Gnome being safer than kde and xfce.\ LOL. Good one. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Question
Sam Leon wrote: On 10/11/2010 09:37 PM, Dmitryi wrote: KDE 4 is a nightmare. How can KDE 3.5.x be installed on Debian testing? Is there a package repository somewhere? What exactly is your problem? After spending about 2 hours with kde4 I had it working very similar to 3.5. True, it did take 2 hours but now I know how everything works. Most all the effects can be disabled, I don't see any performance hits. You can change the Kmenu back to the old style if you want. You are probably going to spend more than 2 hours trying to install 3.5 Sam Hi, I haven't read the discussions here for few weeks because I was busy upgrading opensync plugin for kde called akonadi-sync. I think kde4.5 is somehow usable, but it did not meet my expectations. If you are interested read my story. I wanted to see if I can replace my 3.5 with 4.5 but definitely not yet. In fact it is very funny to read mails about people's first experience with kde. I've just read in the end of 2008 what kde team is doing and why they are release this crappy stuff. The problem is (according to me) that they are not a commercial company. Otherwise they won't ever think of doing so. So after I found out that it is a crap without even installing it I started waiting and following few threads in few groups. As with kde 3 I thought kde 4 will become pretty usable in it's 5th incarnation, but still it is not, so basically I don't understand why the debian team does not recognize this and drops the unusable crap from squeeze before it became testing and include the latest 3.5 (I am afraid it is too late now). Finally debian is the issue and not KDE (again in my opinion) because debian is aiming to be the most stable linux distro (or I would claim if they don't). Of course the desktop (among other desktops) is not that important component of the debian distro, but I think I am not the only one that wants to go on with kde 3 until kde4 is really at production level or nearly to what kde 3.5 offers. The problems: - There are still many kde3 programs that are not ported (and probably will be not ported at all) - There are still some strange things happening in kde4.5 (bugs and kind of) - Some of the ported applications are also crappy - It is missing translations (also the apps) The features - It is definitely better from design point of view - It will be charming when running stable - A lot of things are integrated or work in integrity together (because of the design) - it is developing rapidly Still my expectations to find kde4.5 similar to kde3.5 are not met and I am definitely not planning to use it before 4.6 or later usable version goes into debian. Thank you for mentioning the trinity project, I've almost forgotten. I think the weather will be rainy during the weekend, so I know what I'll be doing. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i97ann$7o...@dough.gmane.org
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Dne, 12. 10. 2010 23:47:45 je Camaleón napisal(a): Another option is switching to other desktop, like GNOME. That was the path I took. Yep, me too. Like Lisi, I needed a desktop environment to get work done, not to s/look/curse/g at. -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286952611.1391...@compax
Re: KDE Question
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:11:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:39, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop.. Out of all the awesome things in KDE4 why would disable some of the very best? Because they tend to make plasma crashing, more often than we would like. And semantic desktop (nepomuk, akonadi, strigi) is indeed a nice feature... when all the components play nice together (this is an ongoing work, not fully accomplished right now). Also, it can be very resource intensive and old computers can face problems. But again, I think the point is that people can get what they want, and that was precisely the main advantage of KDE (user customization). I have to admit that KDE 4.0 was a disaster but nowadays is perfectly workable. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.13.07.41...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Tue October 12 2010 22:46:14 Kelly Clowers wrote: Akonadi and Strigi and similar technologies are critical to taking the desktop to the next level of efficiency and effectiveness. Admittedly, that's still in the early stages, but it is clearly where we need to go. People are working fine in KDE 3 without Akonadi and Strigi and NEPOMUK. People try KDE 4 and work slower. I don't object to your choice of KDE 4 as a religion, but please don't expect people who have to work for a living to waste their time worshipping KDE 4 during office hours. Maybe one day the semantic web and the semantic desktop will become useful. Maybe not. For now, the internet and KDE 3 are what works. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010130052.36788.mgb-deb...@yosemite.net
Re: KDE Question
In 201010130052.36788.mgb-deb...@yosemite.net, Mike Bird wrote: On Tue October 12 2010 22:46:14 Kelly Clowers wrote: Akonadi and Strigi and similar technologies are critical to taking the desktop to the next level of efficiency and effectiveness. Admittedly, that's still in the early stages, but it is clearly where we need to go. People are working fine in KDE 3 without Akonadi and Strigi and NEPOMUK. People try KDE 4 and work slower. I don't object to your choice of KDE 4 as a religion, but please don't expect people who have to work for a living to waste their time worshipping KDE 4 during office hours. I use KDE at work and at home and I've been using KDE SC 4 ever since 4.2 was released. By that time, I was able to configure my Plasma desktop the way Kicker + KDesktop worked in KDE 3. Plasma was also much more stable that the 4.1 or 4.0 release, still I would occasionally have to restart it until 4.3 came out. I used it without Akonadi until KDE SC 4.4, when KMail would hang while sending mails unless I installed Akonadi. While I dislike their back-end of choice, I've not noticed any slow downs due to Akonadi. It mostly just worked, even when Kontact/KMail indicated that their might be problems. Still haven't seen many benefits of using a common storage backend. Kopete is not a good IM client, and Konversation doesn't seem to tie into Akonadi. Nepomuk is a different story. I've fought with it a number of times for no benefit. It has a habit of slowing down the system just when I need it to be more responsive, so I'll often have to manually turn off the file indexer or the whole Nepomuk infrastructure, finish my work, and manually restart Nepomuk. I've tried semantic searching, and it gave me poor results. I certainly don't do it often, so the CPU cycles indexing and the disk space spend storing the indexes are mainly lost. I've yet to actually see someone using a desktop Plasmoid on a day-to-day basis and getting any type of productivity increase. I put up with KDE SC 4 because it is what is supported in the future. Also, I find that Plasma does actually respond faster than KDesktop + Kicker. But, the new technologies that were supposed to change the way I work? No benefits so far, and they do cause a few problems. Is KDE SC 4 as good as KDE 3? If you ask me, someone who worked and played in KDE 3 and works and plays in KDE SC 4: probably. I know I had some internalized work-arounds for KDE 3's cruft, and the stuff that was available in KDE 3 is now either more consistent or faster or both in KDE SC 4. I do wish people would stop preaching how great Akonadi, Strigi, Nepomuk, etc. are going to be awesome so I have to put up with their crap now. I want a desktop that works, preferrably without your socio-technologic experimentation. If you must include it, it needs to stay the fsck out of my way. KDE SC 4 works for me, but it could be improved. It would be nice if KDE 3 (via Trinity) and KDE SC 4 (via KDE) were both available in Squeeze, even if they were not co-installable. The KDE/Qt packaging team doesn't want to deal with supporting that though, and I know they don't have enough person-power as is. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Question
Another option is switching to other desktop, like GNOME. That was the path I took. Greetings, Are you satisfied with Gnome? Is he lighter (CPU, RAM) than KDE4? Asking because I think switch to something and still didn’t decide. Fluxbox is favorite for now. -- Bye, Goran Dobosevic Hrvatski: www.dobosevic.com English: www.dobosevic.com/en/ Registered Linux User #503414 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb5730c.6050...@dobosevic.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:51:24 +0200, godo wrote: Another option is switching to other desktop, like GNOME. That was the path I took. Are you satisfied with Gnome? Yes, I am. Is he lighter (CPU, RAM) than KDE4? Asking because I think switch to something and still didn’t decide. Fluxbox is favorite for now. All I can tell is that I use GNOME in different desktops (Quadcore 8 GiB / Pentium D 8 GiB / Celeron 1 GiB / VirtualBoxed 1.5 GiB) and in all of them performance is pretty satisfactory. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.13.09.04...@gmail.com
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But if you still love KDE, just give KDE 4.5 a chance. Spend 15 minutes in setting up the way you liked (meaning: remove all the fancy effects, use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop...) and you're done. You'll get a plain and simple desktop, the same KDE 3.5 used to be :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón I'm done all that (on Squeeze almost from beginning) and that’s just not it. It's not all in look, it is also in feel and some lost functions. Only thru solution will be continuous KDE3 developing or keeping it in life. I think that I know how Lisi feels. You know it's like first love, nothing can replace it. And I feel the same way. -- Bye, Goran Dobosevic Hrvatski: www.dobosevic.com English: www.dobosevic.com/en/ Registered Linux User #503414 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb57714.9030...@dobosevic.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:08:36 +0200, godo wrote: But if you still love KDE, just give KDE 4.5 a chance. Spend 15 minutes in setting up the way you liked (meaning: remove all the fancy effects, use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop...) and you're done. You'll get a plain and simple desktop, the same KDE 3.5 used to be :-) I'm done all that (on Squeeze almost from beginning) and that’s just not it. It's not all in look, it is also in feel and some lost functions. Only thru solution will be continuous KDE3 developing or keeping it in life. I am not aware of any lost of functionality. There are bugs, of course, as KDE 3.5 had (and as KDE SC 4.5 has). We cannot avoid bugs, they come integrated by design :-) I think that I know how Lisi feels. You know it's like first love, nothing can replace it. And I feel the same way. I also know (sadly, very well) how Lisi feels. I was a KDE 3.5 user for almost all my linux life (7 years)... until KDE 4.0 came into scene. By that time, I had to make a choice: giving KDE 4.0 an opportunity or looking for other DE. I also was aware that KDE devels were not going to spend any resource of their time to continue improving the old branch (just grave bugzilla reports were to be fixed) and working with KDE 4.0 was a real pain so I finally switched to GNOME. I don't regret that decision and moreover, I won't return to KDE in a near future. But people who likes KDE has to understand that KDE 4.5 has nothing in common with KDE 4.0. If they like KDE, they should try it. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.13.09.24...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
Dne, 13. 10. 2010 10:51:24 je godo napisal(a): Are you satisfied with Gnome? Very much so. It does an excellent job at getting out of my way, which is what I expect from a DE 99% of the time. Is he lighter (CPU, RAM) than KDE4? Not noticeably, no. But I don't have to spend a minute of my time debugging it. And I literally can't remember when was it that it last crashed/froze on me. Asking because I think switch to something and still didn’t decide. Fluxbox is favorite for now. I adore lightweight, fast environments too. Problem is, I also love all those little automatisms to be in place and readily available, like powerful right-click menus, automounting volumes, power-management, network connection management, bluetooth management, and my set of faithful yet unobtrusive panel applets showing me CPU temperature, hard disk temperature, network traffic, local weather, time of day and so on... -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286963208.1391...@compax
Re: KDE Question
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 23:39:06 Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:20:39 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 22:47:45 Camaleón wrote: In fact, KDE 4.5 can be (almost 100%) configured to play the same KDE 3.5 did. It takes some time to get the same lookfeel, but you can leave a quite similar desktop. quite similar, almost 100%, configured to _play_ the same. Ouch. Spend long enough and you will get something that is almost, but not quite, totally unlike tea. But it still won't _play_ right. I want to *use* my DE not look at it. I want its looks to be in no way a distraction. Maybe restful on the eyes. That's all I want the looks to do. But the functionality - now that I mind about, some bits more than others. (after some rant... :-P) Yes, yes... I know all that (I've been there). But if you still love KDE, just give KDE 4.5 a chance. Spend 15 minutes in setting up the way you liked (meaning: remove all the fancy effects, use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop...) and you're done. You'll get a plain and simple desktop, the same KDE 3.5 used to be :-) I have continued to use Lenny largely because I do not want to lose KDE 3.x.x any sooner than I have to. And because I always hoped that someone more knowledgable and adept than I would miss/want KDE 3.5.x as much as I did, and carry it forward. And someone did and has. \o/ Yep, but supporting KDE 3.5 cannot last forever. You have to face that and you'll have to decide what way to choose, just be prepared ;-( I have already tried Trinity Kubuntu, with some success, but it was not really stable at the time. So I am going to install Trinity KDE on a machine other than my workhorse desktop, but that I am using quite a lot at the moment. I am really looking forward to it. Squeeze, here I come! Good luck! :-) But just in case, give it a chance to KDE 4.5 (play with it in a virtual machine and start it from time to time) and also, test another desktops. Experience tells me that sticking to just one thing it can be very dangerous... and very frustrating. Why? KDE 4 has nothing in common with KDE 3 other than the name. I have given KDE 4 a chance. I don't like it. I don't understand why there is this moral crusade to treat KDE 3 lovers as some kind of pig-headed throwback. _Of course_ KDE 3.5.10 is not going to last forever - in fact Trinity KDE has already reached 3.5.12. But it could evolve organically. And I have been trying other DEs. I have just lived for 10 days with xfce. I did not find it enjoyable. Of course one day KDE 3 will die. So will I. So will GNOME. So will the planet. I have never said that I will not change - merely that I do not want to do so until I have to. But why is using it dangerous? There is a good chance that it will outlive me. ;-) And if it doesn't, I'll use something else. :-) But that something else is unlikely to be KDE 4. Sorry, Camaleón. I realise that what you are saying is fairly mild. But I have been subject to an onslaught over this by Dotan, who is a KDE 4 zealot, so I am a bit touchy about attempts to cajole, persuade, bully or compel, me into KDE 4. KDE 4 seems to be all about look and glitz and nothing about function. Function is important to me. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010131059.47615.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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Dne, 13. 10. 2010 12:02:02 je Paul Cartwright napisal(a): have you tried xfce ?? I like it as much as gnome.. and I also switched from KDE... xfce is also powerful, but a little lighter weight. Thanx for the suggestion. I'll give it a try on a spare box, or a virtual machine when I find the time. -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286964469.1391...@compax
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Lisi schreef: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 22:47:45 Camaleón wrote: In fact, KDE 4.5 can be (almost 100%) configured to play the same KDE 3.5 did. It takes some time to get the same lookfeel, but you can leave a quite similar desktop. quite similar, almost 100%, configured to _play_ the same. Ouch. Spend long enough and you will get something that is almost, but not quite, totally unlike tea. But it still won't _play_ right. I want to *use* my DE not look at it. I want its looks to be in no way a distraction. Maybe restful on the eyes. That's all I want the looks to do. But the functionality - now that I mind about, some bits more than others. I have continued to use Lenny largely because I do not want to lose KDE 3.x.x any sooner than I have to. And because I always hoped that someone more knowledgable and adept than I would miss/want KDE 3.5.x as much as I did, and carry it forward. And someone did and has. \o/ I have already tried Trinity Kubuntu, with some success, but it was not really stable at the time. So I am going to install Trinity KDE on a machine other than my workhorse desktop, but that I am using quite a lot at the moment. I am really looking forward to it. Squeeze, here I come! Lisi hi lisi, you really are someone! your irony gave me a good laugh. btw i appreciate xfce4 and kde3.x above all else now. regards, steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb5871b.7040...@home.nl
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On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 19:11 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:39, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop.. Out of all the awesome things in KDE4 why would disable some of the very best? Cheers, Kelly Clowers 100% CPU utilization, constant disk access - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286969862.21361.24.ca...@denise.theartistscloset.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:59:47 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 23:39:06 Camaleón wrote: (...) But just in case, give it a chance to KDE 4.5 (play with it in a virtual machine and start it from time to time) and also, test another desktops. Experience tells me that sticking to just one thing it can be very dangerous... and very frustrating. Why? KDE 4 has nothing in common with KDE 3 other than the name. That is because you are looking at KDE 4.5 with different eyes. It's not KDE 4, it's you!. Just let it be the same way KDE 3.5 looked and the magic will be done. I have given KDE 4 a chance. I don't like it. I don't understand why there is this moral crusade to treat KDE 3 lovers as some kind of pig-headed throwback. All that is in your mind. Nobody pretends nothing and noone is forcing you to follow one or another path. I am saying what I am seeing and to be fair, you can like KDE 4 or not but what you cannot say (not at this point of development) is that KDE4 cannot look like KDE 3.5. I've managed to did it so and it can be done. _Of course_ KDE 3.5.10 is not going to last forever - in fact Trinity KDE has already reached 3.5.12. But it could evolve organically. And I have been trying other DEs. I have just lived for 10 days with xfce. I did not find it enjoyable. It is very difficult to add new features for a desktop that its own base is over 10 years... and more difficult when there are not many people behind the scenes, programming such new additions. As said, nobody prevents you of using a static KDE 3.5 (hey, there are people out there running windows98 and they are so happy :-P) it's just that saying you cannot get the same behaviour with KDE 4.5 is at least, unfair. Of course one day KDE 3 will die. So will I. So will GNOME. So will the planet. I have never said that I will not change - merely that I do not want to do so until I have to. Open Souce projects move very fast: they can die and born very quickly. KDE is a big project that needs a big workforce to succeed. But why is using it dangerous? There is a good chance that it will outlive me. ;-) And if it doesn't, I'll use something else. :-) But that something else is unlikely to be KDE 4. What is dangerous is using/sticking to just one option (named KDE 3.5 or KDE 4.5, or GNOME 2.22). Because you, me... all depend of what developers want to do with them (keep it, throw it) so I always try to keep my mind open to new environments as I don't know what the future deserves. Sorry, Camaleón. I realise that what you are saying is fairly mild. But I have been subject to an onslaught over this by Dotan, who is a KDE 4 zealot, so I am a bit touchy about attempts to cajole, persuade, bully or compel, me into KDE 4. KDE 4 seems to be all about look and glitz and nothing about function. Function is important to me. I don't think Dotan is that type of guy. I know him (well, I know his posts) from openSUSE mailing list and thanks to him (besides other users) and his bugzilla reports, KDE 4 is now completely usable :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.13.11.39...@gmail.com
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For those wanting to lighten up the gnome desktop, alt+f2, gconf-editor, ctrl+f the following: low_resource (enable) workarounds (disable) animation (disable all that come up) The difference between xfce and gnome, for me is negligible, and losing a decent screensaver, gdm and powermanager not worth it. Once you install gnome-screensaver, you may as well just install gnome as it pulls in about 60% of the core components anyway. For those who want a light-de, LXDE is taking over from XFCE. On the other hand, when Jack Bauer visited Tony at his home to ask for help, his computer was running XFCE. So it's got some cool factor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinxktg0bs__qh30pwz338l_z2z0fmgef0xhf...@mail.gmail.com
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On Wed October 13 2010, Arthur Machlas wrote: For those wanting to lighten up the gnome desktop, alt+f2, gconf-editor, ctrl+f the following: low_resource (enable) workarounds (disable) animation (disable all that come up) when I found those, the value on all said schema . it didn't find any low_resource, and it found 2 workarounds: /schema/apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds /apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010130910.05299.deb...@pcartwright.com
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com wrote: On Wed October 13 2010, Arthur Machlas wrote: For those wanting to lighten up the gnome desktop, alt+f2, gconf-editor, ctrl+f the following: low_resource (enable) workarounds (disable) animation (disable all that come up) when I found those, the value on all said schema . it didn't find any low_resource, and it found 2 workarounds: /schema/apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds /apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds Sorry, was going from memory. It's reduced_resources. And you never touch schema. Therefore, the /apps is the one you want. Oh and check 'include key name' when searching. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=aup-_dx4kicxm5n-6qqqb3xv14um1fsdb6...@mail.gmail.com
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On Wed October 13 2010, Arthur Machlas wrote: low_resource (enable) workarounds (disable) animation (disable all that come up) when I found those, the value on all said schema . it didn't find any low_resource, and it found 2 workarounds: /schema/apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds /apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds Sorry, was going from memory. It's reduced_resources. And you never touch schema. Therefore, the /apps is the one you want. Oh and check 'include key name' when searching. thanks! reduced resources I did enable, workarounds was already unchecked. and you can't find ANY of them if you don't check include key name.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010131029.00441.deb...@pcartwright.com
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On Wednesday 13 October 2010 12:39:59 Camaleón wrote: That is because you are looking at KDE 4.5 with different eyes. It's not KDE 4, it's you!. Just let it be the same way KDE 3.5 looked and the magic will be done. It is the functionality that I don't like. What it looks like is a side-issue. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010131529.53782.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Wednesday 13 October 2010 12:39:59 Camaleón wrote: I don't think Dotan is that type of guy. I know him (well, I know his posts) from openSUSE mailing list and thanks to him (besides other users) and his bugzilla reports, KDE 4 is now completely usable :-) Which he was obsessive about. And he may not bully people on the subject on list - but he ceratinly did me off-list. He just won't allow anyone to dislike KDE4. I have not said taht I want KDE 3 to stand still. As I have pointed out, it isn't doing. And yes, it may die because it has a small support base - but KDE 3.5.10 died because a large support base decided that it would rather start again and build a new DE. I can and do use other DEs and even WMs. But I like KDE 3 best and see no reason to stop using it while is is available and meets my needs. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010131543.19703.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:43:19 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 12:39:59 Camaleón wrote: I don't think Dotan is that type of guy. I know him (well, I know his posts) from openSUSE mailing list and thanks to him (besides other users) and his bugzilla reports, KDE 4 is now completely usable :-) Which he was obsessive about. And he may not bully people on the subject on list - but he ceratinly did me off-list. He just won't allow anyone to dislike KDE4. I only can tell that there are more than 300 bug reports in KDE bugzilla coming from him. I'd also be a bit obsessive about KDE4 after having achieved that record :-P Now seriously, when KDE4 hit the roads I was using openSUSE (not Debian) and openSUSE users were addressed to jump to KDE 4.0, that was clearly not ready for all users nor all usages. That was in that time, so people got very ungry and the openSUSE mailing list was rapidly flooded with threads and threads of long complaints about KDE4... so some users (I think Dotan was one of them) tried to animate people to help to solve the problems they were experiencing instead of just ranting. Look, in openSUSE there are still many users wanting KDE 3.5 (like you and many others here). They even have a dedicated list (opensuse-kde3¹) to organize they work (AFAICT, they're also using -or wanting to use- Trinity packages). ¹http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde3/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.13.16.34...@gmail.com
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On Wednesday 13 October 2010 17:34:13 Camaleón wrote: so some users (I think Dotan was one of them) tried to animate people to help to solve the problems they were experiencing instead of just ranting. Yes, that is correct and is useful, provided that it is kept in moderation. And it is clearly useful to KDE 4 users. But those of us who don't want to use it, for whatever reason, have the right not use it without having to justify ourselves. Sadly, Dotan does not agree. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010131843.11299.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:18:12 -0500 Arthur Machlas arthur.mach...@gmail.com wrote: ... The difference between xfce and gnome, for me is negligible, and losing a decent screensaver, gdm and powermanager not worth it. Once Never really used Gnome or its screensaver - what does it do that Xscreensaver doesn't? And what does powermanager do that Xfce's power manager doesn't? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101013144412.d598072a.cele...@gmail.com
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:18:12 -0500 Arthur Machlas arthur.mach...@gmail.com wrote: ... The difference between xfce and gnome, for me is negligible, and losing a decent screensaver, gdm and powermanager not worth it. Once Never really used Gnome or its screensaver - what does it do that Xscreensaver doesn't? And what does powermanager do that Xfce's power manager doesn't? Gnome's screensaver can switch users, leave messages, unlock with fingerprint scanner, and as a bonus, doesn't look like its running on an Atari system from 1983. C'mon, update the icon already. Gnome's powermanager work for me. XFCE's doesn't. No idea why, or what magic they are employing. More substantively, not sure that XFCe can spin down hard drives. Is this a threadjack, or is this now a desktop war thread? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=uF8c6wKuggUVhWOkzx7h4A4soDF7uEu0oP:@mail.gmail.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:57:43 -0500 Arthur Machlas arthur.mach...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:18:12 -0500 Arthur Machlas arthur.mach...@gmail.com wrote: ... The difference between xfce and gnome, for me is negligible, and losing a decent screensaver, gdm and powermanager not worth it. Once Never really used Gnome or its screensaver - what does it do that Xscreensaver doesn't? And what does powermanager do that Xfce's power manager doesn't? Gnome's screensaver can switch users, leave messages, unlock with fingerprint scanner, and as a bonus, doesn't look like its running on an Atari system from 1983. C'mon, update the icon already. Interesting, thanks. The look I don't really care about, and switching users isn't relevant for me, since I'm the only user of the system. The xscreensaver author has a low opinion of gnome-screensaver: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#gnome-screensaver http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html But I have no idea how serious his concerns are, and whether they are uptodate for current gnome-screensaver. Gnome's powermanager work for me. XFCE's doesn't. No idea why, or what magic they are employing. More substantively, not sure that XFCe can spin down hard drives. Thanks. I don't do much pm stuff, and what I do is generally from the console, so I can't comment here. Is this a threadjack, or is this now a desktop war thread? Not a threadjack - I was just curious about the advantages of other DE's out there, and wondering what I'm missing ... Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101013152321.053c4d87.cele...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Celejar wrote: Interesting, thanks. The look I don't really care about, and switching users isn't relevant for me, since I'm the only user of the system. The xscreensaver author has a low opinion of gnome-screensaver: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#gnome-screensaver http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html But I have no idea how serious his concerns are, and whether they are uptodate for current gnome-screensaver. I am not sure about the gnome screensaver, but he is spot on about bells-and-whistles-focused unsafe dekstop environment crap being a security hazard, and it DOES apply to KDE4's screensaver. I've seen the KDE4 screensaver: 1. Fail to activate, especially if there is a large IO load in 2.6.32's crap CFQ io scheduler + ext4. This is not surprising, as KDE4 fails to even switch window *focus* in a heavy IO load, which is utterly insane. Why the heck does the window manager have to hit the disk to change windows focus?! 2. Leak information (i.e. show the workspace) both when activating (blinks), and when going out of DPMS or redrawing the screen. Doesn't happen always, but still... 3. unlock screen due to a segfault 4. delay its activation for weird reasons, leaving everything unlocked. The KDE4 screensaver has more race conditions than multithreaded code written by someone who thinks volatile int a semasphore make. Not a threadjack - I was just curious about the advantages of other DE's out there, and wondering what I'm missing ... There is something to be said about stuff that puts functionality over form. XFCE is likely to be more stable and safer than anything KDE or Gnome. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101014013309.ga25...@khazad-dum.debian.net
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:33:09 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Celejar wrote: Interesting, thanks. The look I don't really care about, and switching users isn't relevant for me, since I'm the only user of the system. The xscreensaver author has a low opinion of gnome-screensaver: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#gnome-screensaver http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html But I have no idea how serious his concerns are, and whether they are uptodate for current gnome-screensaver. I am not sure about the gnome screensaver, but he is spot on about bells-and-whistles-focused unsafe dekstop environment crap being a security hazard, and it DOES apply to KDE4's screensaver. ... Thanks for the clarification. ... Not a threadjack - I was just curious about the advantages of other DE's out there, and wondering what I'm missing ... There is something to be said about stuff that puts functionality over form. XFCE is likely to be more stable and safer than anything KDE or Gnome. As other posts in this and other threads have said, XFCE just works and stays out of the way, AFAICT, although I'm not the most sophisticated user. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101013220102.6d58304c.cele...@gmail.com
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There is something to be said about stuff that puts functionality over form. XFCE is likely to be more stable and safer than anything KDE or Gnome. 1. The two are not mutually exclusive. A!!Y being a good example, which gnome wins hands down over XFCE. 2. The biggest threat to a system, IMHO, tends to be the owner/user. Adding complexity that reduces the chances/opportunities for errors may be a good thing. 3. Given Red Hats deep involvement in gnome, I'd put my money on Gnome being safer than kde and xfce. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikrkocaahphueo6nnmeuh40xrqgx=zyyz7hv...@mail.gmail.com
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Try trinity, It has debian stable/testing repositories, and works quite well, i tested it on lenny installation and worked flawlesely. Project is doing surprisingly fine though there aren't too much contributors. Regards Roman On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: On Monday 11 October 2010 18:37:24 Dmitryi wrote: KDE 4 is a nightmare. How can KDE 3.5.x be installed on Debian testing? Is there a package repository somewhere? I am using these on 64 bit Squeeze. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ -- Peace, Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010112054.58507.gomadtr...@gci.net
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On Tuesday 12 October 2010 04:20:44 Mihira Fernando wrote: The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html Also for Debian. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010120913.54235.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On 10/12/2010 01:43 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 04:20:44 Mihira Fernando wrote: The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html Also for Debian. Lisi They have repos for Squeeze as well ? thought the repo was for Lenny... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb41925.9080...@gmail.com
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On Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:15:33 Mihira Fernando wrote: On 10/12/2010 01:43 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 04:20:44 Mihira Fernando wrote: The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html Also for Debian. Lisi They have repos for Squeeze as well ? thought the repo was for Lenny... They have both. It has been available for Squeeze for some time, but is now available for Lenny as well. The hyperlink above is just for Ubuntu. Here is the correct one which is for all available distros: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ They have added Slackware since I last looked, so there are now repos for Ubuntu from Intrepid on, Lenny, Squeeze and Slackware 12.2. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010120949.38229.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On 10/12/2010 02:19 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:15:33 Mihira Fernando wrote: On 10/12/2010 01:43 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 04:20:44 Mihira Fernando wrote: The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html Also for Debian. Lisi They have repos for Squeeze as well ? thought the repo was for Lenny... They have both. It has been available for Squeeze for some time, but is now available for Lenny as well. The hyperlink above is just for Ubuntu. Here is the correct one which is for all available distros: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ They have added Slackware since I last looked, so there are now repos for Ubuntu from Intrepid on, Lenny, Squeeze and Slackware 12.2. Lisi Nice! Thanks for the update. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb4294f.80...@gmail.com
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On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 09:49 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:15:33 Mihira Fernando wrote: On 10/12/2010 01:43 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 04:20:44 Mihira Fernando wrote: The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html Also for Debian. Lisi They have repos for Squeeze as well ? thought the repo was for Lenny... They have both. It has been available for Squeeze for some time, but is now available for Lenny as well. The hyperlink above is just for Ubuntu. Here is the correct one which is for all available distros: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ They have added Slackware since I last looked, so there are now repos for Ubuntu from Intrepid on, Lenny, Squeeze and Slackware 12.2. Lisi In fact, they have just officially released 3.5.12 including a stable repository for Squeeze. I'm actually a fan of the KDE4 architecture and paradigm but appalled by the execution. Consequently, the Trinity project has been a real life saver for us to stay on KDE3 - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286904558.3344.3.ca...@localhost
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Hey thanks. That's just it. The KDE team should just make a straight, simple UI with the start menu opening immediately and without any retarded (literally - there's a time delay) delayed menus. UI has to fly at the speed of thought, and not make itself noticeable in any way or get itself in the way. The way it is in KDE 4, it's a piece of showoff, not a working graphic interface. It used to be clean and simple, why overcomplicate everything? KDE used to be a real lifesaver, especially with the Guidance admin modules. Now there're animations and fades and screens and whatnot getting in the way. On 12.10.2010 at 13:29 John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 09:49 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:15:33 Mihira Fernando wrote: On 10/12/2010 01:43 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 04:20:44 Mihira Fernando wrote: The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html Also for Debian. Lisi They have repos for Squeeze as well ? thought the repo was for Lenny... They have both. It has been available for Squeeze for some time, but is now available for Lenny as well. The hyperlink above is just for Ubuntu. Here is the correct one which is for all available distros: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ They have added Slackware since I last looked, so there are now repos for Ubuntu from Intrepid on, Lenny, Squeeze and Slackware 12.2. Lisi In fact, they have just officially released 3.5.12 including a stable repository for Squeeze. I'm actually a fan of the KDE4 architecture and paradigm but appalled by the execution. Consequently, the Trinity project has been a real life saver for us to stay on KDE3 - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286904558.3344.3.ca...@localhost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010121259410187.00751...@smtp.prodigy.net.mx
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On 2010-10-12, Dmitryi sidhecha...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: --- SNIP --- KDE used to be a real lifesaver, especially with the Guidance admin modules. Now there're animations and fades and screens and whatnot getting in the way. Can't you disable all those effects? -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnib9ikq.2oo.liam.p.oto...@dipsy.tubbynet
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Op 12-10-10 22:52, Liam O'Toole schreef: On 2010-10-12, Dmitryi sidhecha...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: --- SNIP --- KDE used to be a real lifesaver, especially with the Guidance admin modules. Now there're animations and fades and screens and whatnot getting in the way. Can't you disable all those effects? Yes, you can. Go to System settings, Desktop, and uncheck Activate Desktop effects (precise names may differ, translated from Dutch). Sjoerd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:01:15 +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Op 12-10-10 22:52, Liam O'Toole schreef: On 2010-10-12, Dmitryi sidhecha...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: --- SNIP --- KDE used to be a real lifesaver, especially with the Guidance admin modules. Now there're animations and fades and screens and whatnot getting in the way. Can't you disable all those effects? Yes, you can. Go to System settings, Desktop, and uncheck Activate Desktop effects (precise names may differ, translated from Dutch). In fact, KDE 4.5 can be (almost 100%) configured to play the same KDE 3.5 did. It takes some time to get the same lookfeel, but you can leave a quite similar desktop. Another option is switching to other desktop, like GNOME. That was the path I took. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.12.21.47...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 22:47:45 Camaleón wrote: In fact, KDE 4.5 can be (almost 100%) configured to play the same KDE 3.5 did. It takes some time to get the same lookfeel, but you can leave a quite similar desktop. quite similar, almost 100%, configured to _play_ the same. Ouch. Spend long enough and you will get something that is almost, but not quite, totally unlike tea. But it still won't _play_ right. I want to *use* my DE not look at it. I want its looks to be in no way a distraction. Maybe restful on the eyes. That's all I want the looks to do. But the functionality - now that I mind about, some bits more than others. I have continued to use Lenny largely because I do not want to lose KDE 3.x.x any sooner than I have to. And because I always hoped that someone more knowledgable and adept than I would miss/want KDE 3.5.x as much as I did, and carry it forward. And someone did and has. \o/ I have already tried Trinity Kubuntu, with some success, but it was not really stable at the time. So I am going to install Trinity KDE on a machine other than my workhorse desktop, but that I am using quite a lot at the moment. I am really looking forward to it. Squeeze, here I come! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010122320.40057.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:20:39 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2010 22:47:45 Camaleón wrote: In fact, KDE 4.5 can be (almost 100%) configured to play the same KDE 3.5 did. It takes some time to get the same lookfeel, but you can leave a quite similar desktop. quite similar, almost 100%, configured to _play_ the same. Ouch. Spend long enough and you will get something that is almost, but not quite, totally unlike tea. But it still won't _play_ right. I want to *use* my DE not look at it. I want its looks to be in no way a distraction. Maybe restful on the eyes. That's all I want the looks to do. But the functionality - now that I mind about, some bits more than others. (after some rant... :-P) Yes, yes... I know all that (I've been there). But if you still love KDE, just give KDE 4.5 a chance. Spend 15 minutes in setting up the way you liked (meaning: remove all the fancy effects, use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop...) and you're done. You'll get a plain and simple desktop, the same KDE 3.5 used to be :-) I have continued to use Lenny largely because I do not want to lose KDE 3.x.x any sooner than I have to. And because I always hoped that someone more knowledgable and adept than I would miss/want KDE 3.5.x as much as I did, and carry it forward. And someone did and has. \o/ Yep, but supporting KDE 3.5 cannot last forever. You have to face that and you'll have to decide what way to choose, just be prepared ;-( I have already tried Trinity Kubuntu, with some success, but it was not really stable at the time. So I am going to install Trinity KDE on a machine other than my workhorse desktop, but that I am using quite a lot at the moment. I am really looking forward to it. Squeeze, here I come! Good luck! :-) But just in case, give it a chance to KDE 4.5 (play with it in a virtual machine and start it from time to time) and also, test another desktops. Experience tells me that sticking to just one thing it can be very dangerous... and very frustrating. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.12.22.39...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On 10/11/2010 09:37 PM, Dmitryi wrote: KDE 4 is a nightmare. How can KDE 3.5.x be installed on Debian testing? Is there a package repository somewhere? What exactly is your problem? After spending about 2 hours with kde4 I had it working very similar to 3.5. True, it did take 2 hours but now I know how everything works. Most all the effects can be disabled, I don't see any performance hits. You can change the Kmenu back to the old style if you want. You are probably going to spend more than 2 hours trying to install 3.5 Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb4e53e.4080...@net153.net
Re: KDE Question
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:39, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop.. Out of all the awesome things in KDE4 why would disable some of the very best? Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=tqgckcx=bhdo=1svstcp85=o5mkuptdpsb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Tue October 12 2010 19:11:29 Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:39, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop.. Out of all the awesome things in KDE4 why would disable some of the very best? People want to use Debian to get work done. That stuff is clever but slow and irrelevant for 99% of users. Meanwhile, does anyone have any thoughts on the trade-offs involved in upgrading to the latest Trinity KDE 3.5.12? We had intended to stay with official Debian KDE 3.5.5 as long as it was supported. Is 3.5.12 worth evaluating at this stage or are most people planning to wait until Lenny and Debian KDE 3.5 are no more? TIA, --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010121938.31484.mgb-deb...@yosemite.net
Re: KDE Question
On Tue October 12 2010 07:38:31 pm Mike Bird wrote: On Tue October 12 2010 19:11:29 Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:39, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop.. Out of all the awesome things in KDE4 why would disable some of the very best? People want to use Debian to get work done. That stuff is clever but slow and irrelevant for 99% of users. Meanwhile, does anyone have any thoughts on the trade-offs involved in upgrading to the latest Trinity KDE 3.5.12? I just installed it on squeeze last night so I haven't had much of a chance to use it yet but it looks good to me. Haven't noticed anything in the way of a trade-off. Everything I use seems to be here, k3b, krusader, amarok, kid3, k9copy.. The only difference I have noted so far is that I can't right click the message and folder view areas of kmail to change the columns, and the K in kde in the logon splash is changed to a T for trinity I guess. Functionally it seems to be much the same as kde 3.5.? always has. I'm impressed. We had intended to stay with official Debian KDE 3.5.5 as long as it was supported. Is 3.5.12 worth evaluating at this stage or are most people planning to wait until Lenny and Debian KDE 3.5 are no more? That was my plan too.. may not be needed anymore. You'll have to take a look for yourself though.. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010122218.07559.alian...@shaw.ca
Re: KDE Question
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 19:38, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote: On Tue October 12 2010 19:11:29 Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:39, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: use plain desktop, disable akonadi, strigi and that stuff, forget activities, return to the standard icons on the desktop.. Out of all the awesome things in KDE4 why would disable some of the very best? People want to use Debian to get work done. That stuff is clever but slow and irrelevant for 99% of users. Akonadi and Strigi and similar technologies are critical to taking the desktop to the next level of efficiency and effectiveness. Admittedly, that's still in the early stages, but it is clearly where we need to go. As for Plasma, it allows for some pretty interesting things, it just remains to be seen which ones will be cool and shiny and which ones will offer fundamental improvements over the old standard (of course, that same is true for alternate WMs (I use Awesome WM for good reason), but they don't get the level of attention that KDE and Gnome do). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikgo=qsrahcjomb3owrfjdljugx0jploud...@mail.gmail.com
KDE Question
KDE 4 is a nightmare. How can KDE 3.5.x be installed on Debian testing? Is there a package repository somewhere? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010112137240359.0289a...@smtp.prodigy.net.mx
Re: KDE Question
On 10/12/2010 08:07 AM, Dmitryi wrote: KDE 4 is a nightmare. How can KDE 3.5.x be installed on Debian testing? Is there a package repository somewhere? Lenny has KDE 3.5 in the repos. The Trinity project has 3.5 repos for Ubuntu : http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html you can use one of these to get KDE 3.5 on testing -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb3d40c.4050...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Monday 11 October 2010 18:37:24 Dmitryi wrote: KDE 4 is a nightmare. How can KDE 3.5.x be installed on Debian testing? Is there a package repository somewhere? I am using these on 64 bit Squeeze. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ -- Peace, Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201010112054.58507.gomadtr...@gci.net
KDE Question
I have just installed a new Debian Sarge box and got KDE up and working from apt-get. The users of this box do not know Linux that well and have to make hardware and other system changes from KDE GUI. I cannot find the package (.deb) that has the configuration tools like networking and others. Does anyone know the name of the .deb package (or what I am talking about)? Thanks, Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Question
On Friday 24 June 2005 15:28, Gallagher Timothy-TIMOTHYG wrote: I have just installed a new Debian Sarge box and got KDE up and working from apt-get. The users of this box do not know Linux that well and have to make hardware and other system changes from KDE GUI. I cannot find the package (.deb) that has the configuration tools like networking and others. Does anyone know the name of the .deb package (or what I am talking about)? If you install aptitude and then run that from within a konsole terminal you can easily browse for these sort of things From your description you could mean kcontrol, or some components of kdenetwork, or possibly some of the tools in kde-extra -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk
Re: Brief Apt-Get and KDE Question
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:43:28PM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: On 14/06/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:18:42AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: I have recently gotten KDE 3.4.1 from deb http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ which is apparently a legitimate debian site from which to get KDE. Now, after doing the usual apt-get and apt-upgrade (and dist-upgrade: I wanted the latest version of Sarge, but I don't think that matters here) to install it, I ran apt-get update again, then apt-get upgrade. It said I had twenty-nine packages to up-grade. So, I did apt-get -V upgrade and it said (for each one, mind) ( 3.3.2-1 = 3.4.1-1) (save only that the 3.3.2-# some times changed. The number after the hyphen, that is). The question is this, then. If I execute the upgrade, will I really upgrade from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 or vice-versa, I. E. downgrade from 3.4.1 to 3.3.2? 1. Yes the Debian Alioth site is legitimate in the sense that it is Debian for (primarily) Debian developers that are packaging and developing for Debian. 2. The packages are *experimental*. That means that you should not use them unless you are prepared to deal with the fallout. KDE 3.4.1 is not Experimental, though. If you go to kde.org http://kde.org, it says the newest version is KDE 3.4.1. Perhaps it has both Experimental and not? Hi David, yes its true that it is released software by KDE standard (and probably Gentoo x-)) but Debian calls untested (by Debian standards) software experimental. Since it is not in Stable, testing or unstable, it is not in the official Debian testbed. Thus if it were in the 'experimental' repository or on alioth, it would be treated the same IIUC! cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ ' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Brief Apt-Get and KDE Question
David R. Litwin wrote: On 14/06/05, *Roberto C. Sanchez* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:18:42AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: I have recently gotten KDE 3.4.1 from deb http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ which is apparently a legitimate debian site from which to get KDE. Now, after doing the usual apt-get and apt-upgrade (and dist-upgrade: I wanted the latest version of Sarge, but I don't think that matters here) to install it, I ran apt-get update again, then apt-get upgrade. It said I had twenty-nine packages to up-grade. So, I did apt-get -V upgrade and it said (for each one, mind) ( 3.3.2-1 = 3.4.1-1) (save only that the 3.3.2-# some times changed. The number after the hyphen, that is). The question is this, then. If I execute the upgrade, will I really upgrade from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 or vice-versa, I. E. downgrade from 3.4.1 to 3.3.2? 1. Yes the Debian Alioth site is legitimate in the sense that it is Debian for (primarily) Debian developers that are packaging and developing for Debian. 2. The packages are *experimental*. That means that you should not use them unless you are prepared to deal with the fallout. KDE 3.4.1 is not Experimental, though. If you go to kde.org http://kde.org, it says the newest version is KDE 3.4.1. Perhaps it has both Experimental and not? KDE 3.4.1 is not experimental as far as the KDE.org is concerned. But the person who is integrating it into the Debian distribution is just now playing with it, in an Experimental branch of Debian where it won't affect the main three branches (stable, testing, unstable). Once he has it packaged for Debian where he's comfortable with it, it'll move to unstable. The Experimental branch of Debian is not generally considered as fit for human consumption. 3. Use aptitude (or synaptic, if you have a preference for GUI), So you recommend Aptitude, eh? I hear there is a rather large debate going round about the merrits of the one against th'other. But, what is this Synaptic I read of? I certainly do like GUIs. Aptitude, though, seems to have a GUI, no? It is my understanding that Aptitude is the currently preferred tool for Sarge and the future. It is a curses-based (text-based) front-end for apt. Synaptic is an X-based front-end for apt. Aptitude can be run as a command-line tool, or as a (text-based) GUI. apt-cache policy kdelibs4 kdelibs4: Installed: 4:3.4.1-1 Candidate: 4:3.4.1-1 Version Table: *** 4:3.4.1-1 0 500 http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org ./ Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:3.3.2-6.1 0 500 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages It means that you'll be pulling in the 3.4 version of KDE from Experimental, which might cause breakage. If you rely on your system at all, I personally would wait until 3.4 moves to unstable (and take out any but the official Debian repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list). I've never known Debian apt tools to cause a downgrade. (In fact, I've never known of Debian apt tools to allow a downgrade, without considerable effort.) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Brief Apt-Get and KDE Question
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:18:42AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: I have recently gotten KDE 3.4.1 from deb http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ which is apparently a legitimate debian site from which to get KDE. Now, after doing the usual apt-get and apt-upgrade (and dist-upgrade: I wanted the latest version of Sarge, but I don't think that matters here) to install it, I ran apt-get update again, then apt-get upgrade. It said I had twenty-nine packages to up-grade. So, I did apt-get -V upgrade and it said (for each one, mind) ( 3.3.2-1 = 3.4.1-1) (save only that the 3.3.2-# some times changed. The number after the hyphen, that is). The question is this, then. If I execute the upgrade, will I really upgrade from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 or vice-versa, I. E. downgrade from 3.4.1 to 3.3.2? 1. Yes the Debian Alioth site is legitimate in the sense that it is Debian for (primarily) Debian developers that are packaging and developing for Debian. 2. The packages are *experimental*. That means that you should not use them unless you are prepared to deal with the fallout. 3. Use aptitude (or synaptic, if you have a preference for GUI), instead of plain apt-get. Once you learn the key bindings, it is very nice. It also compactly presents far more useful information than apt-get. That said, I am not sure. If you run 'apt-cache policy kdelibs4', what does it say? It will tell you which version you have installed, which is the best available version, and which sources are providing the different available versions. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgp7Pwvl7RG2d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Brief Apt-Get and KDE Question
On 14/06/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:18:42AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: I have recently gotten KDE 3.4.1 from deb http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ which is apparently a legitimate debian site from which to get KDE. Now, after doing the usual apt-get and apt-upgrade (and dist-upgrade: I wanted the latest version of Sarge, but I don't think that matters here) to install it, I ran apt-get update again, then apt-get upgrade. It said I had twenty-nine packages to up-grade. So, I did apt-get -V upgrade and it said (for each one, mind) ( 3.3.2-1 = 3.4.1-1) (save only that the 3.3.2-# some times changed. The number after the hyphen, that is). The question is this, then. If I execute the upgrade, will I really upgrade from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 or vice-versa, I. E. downgrade from 3.4.1 to 3.3.2?1. Yes the Debian Alioth site is legitimate in the sense that it isDebian for (primarily) Debian developers that are packaging anddeveloping for Debian.2. The packages are *experimental*.That means that you should not use them unless you are prepared to deal with the fallout. KDE 3.4.1 is not Experimental, though. If you go to kde.org, it says the newest version is KDE 3.4.1. Perhaps it has both Experimental and not? 3. Use aptitude (or synaptic, if you have a preference for GUI), insteadof plain apt-get.Once you learn the key bindings, it is very nice.It also compactly presents far more useful information than apt-get. So you recommend Aptitude, eh? I hear there is a rather large debate going round about the merrits of the one against th'other. But, what is this Synaptic I read of? I certainly do like GUIs. Aptitude, though, seems to have a GUI, no? That said, I am not sure.If you run 'apt-cache policy kdelibs4', whatdoes it say?It will tell you which version you have installed, which is the best available version, and which sources are providing thedifferent available versions. apt-cache policy kdelibs4 gives: apt-cache policy kdelibs4 kdelibs4: Installed: 4:3.4.1-1 Candidate: 4:3.4.1-1 Version Table: *** 4:3.4.1-1 0 500 http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org ./ Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:3.3.2-6.1 0 500 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages What do you make of it all? Thanks.
Brief Apt-Get and KDE Question
I have recently gotten KDE 3.4.1 from deb http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ which is apparently a legitimate debian site from which to get KDE. Now, after doing the usual apt-get and apt-upgrade (and dist-upgrade: I wanted the latest version of Sarge, but I don't think that matters here) to install it, I ran apt-get update again, then apt-get upgrade. It said I had twenty-nine packages to up-grade. So, I did apt-get -V upgrade and it said (for each one, mind) (3.3.2-1 = 3.4.1-1) (save only that the 3.3.2-# some times changed. The number after the hyphen, that is). The question is this, then. If I execute the upgrade, will I really upgrade from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 or vice-versa, I. E. downgrade from 3.4.1 to 3.3.2? Thanks.-- Moose Moose Jam Sausage Meow-Mix.My Hover-Craft is Full of Eels.[...]and that's the he and the she of it.
RE: KDE question about panel icons
Hello! Has anyone managed to get programs added to their panel sucessfully (with their specified icons)? If so, please share, and I'll pass it along to the other two unfortunate souls and the KDE list. I've had some strange problem: The Menu Editor creates the KDELNK files in /root/.kde/[etc...], but KDE, a source distribution installed over a DEB Hamm one, wants to find them in /usr/local/KDE/share/applnk[etc...]. I'm now copying the files every time after I have used the Menu Editor. Maybe your problem is similar??? Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net
Re: KDE question about panel icons
Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I figured out a way to get it to work, but it's kind of a PITA. I have to log in as root, fire up KDE, then use the menu editor to assign icons for each application that isn't a KDE app, or just doesn't have an icon associated with it. Mark, I'm afraid I misunderstood you. I thought you had problems adding icons to the panel at all. If I understand you correctly now, you want to /change/ the icons for programs you add to the panel. Then everything makes sense :). KDE stores its information on apps in files called *.kdelnk . There are two places where those kdelnk that appear in your K-Menu are stored. $KDEDIR/share/applnk for the system-wide settings and ~/.kde/share/applnk for the personal settings for each user. In the K-Menu, the system-wide apps are displayed on top, then you have an entry personal which contains your personal apps. If you don´t have this entry, you simply have not created any personal apps. If you use Menuedit (I have not looked at it much, I used to move around those *.kdelnk from the command line :)), you have your personal entries on the left hand side, the system wide entries on the right hand side and greyed out. When you try to change the settings for a system-wide app, you try to edit its *.kdelnk-file in $KDEDIR/share/applnk. Normal users should not have write permission to this dir. I find it strange that some programs already have icons (emacs, vim, gv) and others don't. I realize that those I mentioned are fairly common, but I would guess that xterm and rxvt are too, and should have icons assigned to them automagically. No idea why that is so, either. I don't know if it's a flaw with KDE or is the packages are buggy. Well, the flaw might be that locating the information for this whole thing in the docs is not that easy. IIRC, it is all explained in the KFM-handbook. You can find this in any KFM-window : Help - contents. I guess I can live with my little work-around for the time being. I guess it's a good thing that the panel isn't very large and wont hold more than 10 or so apps at my desktop's current resolution :) Here is an other workaround for you : If you use Menuedit, right-click the app you want and select copy. Then open your personal entries (left-hand side, remember?) and paste it there. Then you can edit its properties. After you saved your changes (and maybe restarted KPanel? I'm not sure.), you should find it under the entry Personal. Add it to KPanel from there. Oh, btw. I prefer the tiny setting for KPanel. The icons don´t look as neat (and with the upcoming release of the new 1.1.2 or 1.2 or whatever they decide to call it the are supposed to look /much/ neater than now), but it takes up much less screen and I can fit more icons. You can get /almost/ the same effect by using auto-hide on the panel, but I would not want to do without my docked apps visible all the time. Ok, that's a long post. Hope I could help a little. bye Jerry -- Just being paranoid does not mean they´re *not* out to get you...
KDE question about panel icons
I've decided to play around with KDE a little, but I've run into a problem. In adding programs to the panel, the icon I select is ignored and replaced with the plain ol KDE cog. I'm running potato, BTW. A search of the KDE list archives yielded two other potato users with the same problem. Several replies failed to shed any light on the matter, and it appears to be a Debian-specific problem. I've followed the instructions in the KDE faq for adding the program to the panel, but it has been a no-go. Has anyone managed to get programs added to their panel sucessfully (with their specified icons)? If so, please share, and I'll pass it along to the other two unfortunate souls and the KDE list. tia -- ( __ _ Mark Wagnon ) Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA ( /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) www.debian.org _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
Re: KDE question about panel icons
Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone managed to get programs added to their panel sucessfully (with their specified icons)? If so, please share, and I'll pass it along to the other two unfortunate souls and the KDE list. How did you install KDE? I grabed the sources from a mirror of ftp.kde.org and compiled them myself, and I can add icons to my panel without problems. I am using slink, though. cheerio Jerry -- Just being paranoid does not mean they´re *not* out to get you...
Re: KDE question about panel icons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you install KDE? I grabed the sources from a mirror of ftp.kde.org and compiled them myself, and I can add icons to my panel without problems. I am using slink, though. I installed from debs I picked up from http://kde.tdyc.com. I figured out a way to get it to work, but it's kind of a PITA. I have to log in as root, fire up KDE, then use the menu editor to assign icons for each application that isn't a KDE app, or just doesn't have an icon associated with it. I find it strange that some programs already have icons (emacs, vim, gv) and others don't. I realize that those I mentioned are fairly common, but I would guess that xterm and rxvt are too, and should have icons assigned to them automagically. I don't know if it's a flaw with KDE or is the packages are buggy. I guess I can live with my little work-around for the time being. I guess it's a good thing that the panel isn't very large and wont hold more than 10 or so apps at my desktop's current resolution :) thanks again -- ( __ _ Mark Wagnon ) Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA ( /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) www.debian.org _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
Re: KDE question about panel icons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- on Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote: I've decided to play around with KDE a little, but I've run into a problem. In adding programs to the panel, the icon I select is ignored and replaced with the plain ol KDE cog. I'm running potato, BTW. A search of the KDE list archives yielded two other potato users with the same problem. Several replies failed to shed any light on the matter, and it appears to be a Debian-specific problem. I've followed the instructions in the KDE faq for adding the program to the panel, but it has been a no-go. Has anyone managed to get programs added to their panel sucessfully (with their specified icons)? If so, please share, and I'll pass it along to the other two unfortunate souls and the KDE list. tia -- ( __ _ Mark Wagnon ) Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA ( /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) www.debian.org _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null hiho, sorry, i can't help. i can add programs to the panel w/o any problems. ciao -ap ___ Andreas Piesk [EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager BFW GmbH Leipzig pgp fingerprint: 23CB A7E2 2E53 373C DBCD 8EFC 61C1 ___ What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator. ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: WrWBYq7fNT608toN2xm/LulfnSXuaG+m iQEVAwUBN8S982Fk4I9f3qPhAQEoxggAht9gCXDZBKOCIRpwV8sWSzWrc+EM3/bP gkozhi32moDADhH2ZkHSihVqCISmHf1o6fbCDGQA6HtdFoDIIhYIz+Iw4umNjz4C Svx86eIOjd/RmHKebWzJD8SWKe/0jjmNt5ao3SQcmVtqewlsiw/61sS6pM3ZmpRH 3vA0P1IPPOpqwqiC4GNVEsAvlUkFYdQiasmxcXkHix1Q9K3eb1sbio706op6nyYj StSy6gDiH75C3gKKE6r7giFQAI1b6Y74AFDfux7vP+07fPUtDbmYX0HvdHanD/q3 tcEFPSNECjCxk1WEtFHm+eOZ35IDpbo9KXMhyueQoSSqQAKTEOUuwg== =Rr70 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
