Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[John L Fjellstad]

Paul Gear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How do you know when a new kernel has been released (say for security
> reasons)?  What is the approved method for finding this out?

It's announced in the debian security mailinglist.

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Paul Gear]

Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> ...
>>>you should update your kernel manually, i mean apt-get install
>>>kernel-2.4.x, because atp-get doesn't update kernel automaticaly.
>>
>>How do you know when a new kernel has been released (say for security
>>reasons)?  What is the approved method for finding this out?
> 
> Check http://www.kernel.org ?

I meant a Debian kernel package...

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[John Hasler]

Wayne Topa writes:
> Is was my feeble attempt to teach the OP how to fish and instead it
> taught me something, and hopefully the OP as well.

It should also teach man page authors to write decent short descriptions.
It won't.
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Wayne Topa]

Shaul Karl([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:13:58PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > Scott Mohnkern([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > > hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before
> > > 
> > > and it didn't work..
> > 
> > He meant apt-cache search.  
> > 
> > I was goint to tell you that you could use apropos search, to find what
> > man page name uses search, but it doesn't come up with apt-cache for
> > some reason.  Humm
> > 
> 
> 
>   Why should it come with apropos search? To the best of my knowledge,
> apropos looks for Unix commands, that is the first token on a Unix
> command line. With apt-cache, search is a command for apt-cache but not
> for Unix. 

As apropos searches through 'man pages' not commands, I thought it
should find the apt-cache man page.  As John correctly pointed out,
"Apropos searches only the names and short descriptions" which is, of
course, why it didn't find anything about the apt-cache search option.

Is was my feeble attempt to teach the OP how to fish and instead it
taught me something, and hopefully the OP as well.

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 the mental interface of
Paul Gear told:

> Mariano Wahlmann wrote:
> > ...
> > you should update your kernel manually, i mean apt-get install
> > kernel-2.4.x, because atp-get doesn't update kernel automaticaly.
> 
> How do you know when a new kernel has been released (say for security
> reasons)?  What is the approved method for finding this out?
Check http://www.kernel.org ?

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Paul Gear]

Mariano Wahlmann wrote:
> ...
> you should update your kernel manually, i mean apt-get install
> kernel-2.4.x, because atp-get doesn't update kernel automaticaly.

How do you know when a new kernel has been released (say for security
reasons)?  What is the approved method for finding this out?
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get? BEWARE twits abroad

[John Summerfield]

For a new kernel you need kernel-image

Mike wrote:

Scott Mohnkern wrote:
Got it, this is what I ended up with:
cpcug:/homec/mohnkern# apt-cache search kernel-source
kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10
kernel-source-2.4.14 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.14
freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan
kernel-source-2.2.10 - Linux kernel source.
kernel-source-2.2.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.19
kernel-source-2.2.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.20
kernel-source-2.2.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.22
kernel-source-2.4.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.16
kernel-source-2.4.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17
kernel-source-2.4.17-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on 
HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.17-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on 
IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18
kernel-source-2.4.18-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on 
HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19

Where do I go from here?
Scott

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Alec Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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begin  quotation of Scott Mohnkern on 2004-08-20 11:47:44 -0400:
hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before

Typo - `apt-cache search`.  Sorry


You could have also done:
apt-get install kernel-source
Because you didn't enter a version of the kernel-source, it errors and 
displays a list of available sources

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by:
 kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-2
 kernel-source-2.6.7 2.6.7-4
 kernel-source-2.6.6 2.6.6-2
 kernel-source-2.4.27 2.4.27-3
 kernel-source-2.4.26 2.4.26-5
 kernel-source-2.4.25 2.4.25-3
 kernel-source-2.4.24 2.4.24-3
 kernel-source-2.2.25 2.2.25-3
You should explicitly select one to install.
E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate
Now you can do, for example to install kernel-source-2.4.27:
apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27
This will put the bzip2 file in /usr/src.
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Shaul Karl]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:13:58PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> Scott Mohnkern([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before
> > 
> > and it didn't work..
> 
> He meant apt-cache search.  
> 
> I was goint to tell you that you could use apropos search, to find what
> man page name uses search, but it doesn't come up with apt-cache for
> some reason.  Humm
> 


  Why should it come with apropos search? To the best of my knowledge,
apropos looks for Unix commands, that is the first token on a Unix
command line. With apt-cache, search is a command for apt-cache but not
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

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On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 03:49:41PM -0400, Scott Mohnkern wrote:
> Got it, this is what I ended up with:
> 
> cpcug:/homec/mohnkern# apt-cache search kernel-source
> kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10
> kernel-source-2.4.14 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.14
> freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan
> kernel-source-2.2.10 - Linux kernel source.
> kernel-source-2.2.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.19
> kernel-source-2.2.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.20
> kernel-source-2.2.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.22
> kernel-source-2.4.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.16
> kernel-source-2.4.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17
> kernel-source-2.4.17-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on HPPA
> kernel-source-2.4.17-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on IA-64
> kernel-source-2.4.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18
> kernel-source-2.4.18-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on HPPA
> kernel-source-2.4.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19
> 
> Where do I go from here?
> 
> Scott
Hi Scott,
you have a few choices:
1) go to kernel.org and create and install a non-debian kernel
2) use debian kernel 'source' package and use cool 'debian way' to
make/install kernel package
3) use debian binary kernel packages
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

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On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Scott Mohnkern wrote:
> This is probably a really stupid question.
> 
> should apt-get being doing kernel updates?  For some reason I'm still  
> running 2.2.
> 
> 
> Scott Mohnkern
Hi Scott,
the kernel is not something that should be updated lightly. And debian
does not do it. you have to make the choice.
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[John Hasler]

Wayne Topa writes:
> I was goint to tell you that you could use apropos search, to find what
> man page name uses search, but it doesn't come up with apt-cache for
> some reason.

Apropos searches only the names and short descriptions.  For apt-cache
that's "apt-cache - APT package handling utility -- cache manipulator".
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Mike]

Scott Mohnkern wrote:
Got it, this is what I ended up with:
cpcug:/homec/mohnkern# apt-cache search kernel-source
kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10
kernel-source-2.4.14 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.14
freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan
kernel-source-2.2.10 - Linux kernel source.
kernel-source-2.2.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.19
kernel-source-2.2.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.20
kernel-source-2.2.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.22
kernel-source-2.4.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.16
kernel-source-2.4.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17
kernel-source-2.4.17-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on 
HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.17-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on 
IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18
kernel-source-2.4.18-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on 
HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19

Where do I go from here?
Scott

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Alec Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

begin  quotation of Scott Mohnkern on 2004-08-20 11:47:44 -0400:
hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before

Typo - `apt-cache search`.  Sorry


You could have also done:
apt-get install kernel-source
Because you didn't enter a version of the kernel-source, it errors and 
displays a list of available sources

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by:
 kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-2
 kernel-source-2.6.7 2.6.7-4
 kernel-source-2.6.6 2.6.6-2
 kernel-source-2.4.27 2.4.27-3
 kernel-source-2.4.26 2.4.26-5
 kernel-source-2.4.25 2.4.25-3
 kernel-source-2.4.24 2.4.24-3
 kernel-source-2.2.25 2.2.25-3
You should explicitly select one to install.
E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate
Now you can do, for example to install kernel-source-2.4.27:
apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27
This will put the bzip2 file in /usr/src.
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Scott Mohnkern]

Got it, this is what I ended up with:
cpcug:/homec/mohnkern# apt-cache search kernel-source
kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10
kernel-source-2.4.14 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.14
freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan
kernel-source-2.2.10 - Linux kernel source.
kernel-source-2.2.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.19
kernel-source-2.2.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.20
kernel-source-2.2.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.22
kernel-source-2.4.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.16
kernel-source-2.4.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17
kernel-source-2.4.17-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.17-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18
kernel-source-2.4.18-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.19 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.19
Where do I go from here?
Scott

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Alec Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
begin  quotation of Scott Mohnkern on 2004-08-20 11:47:44 -0400:
hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before
Typo - `apt-cache search`.  Sorry

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Wayne Topa]

Scott Mohnkern([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before
> 
> and it didn't work..

He meant apt-cache search.  

I was goint to tell you that you could use apropos search, to find what
man page name uses search, but it doesn't come up with apt-cache for
some reason.  Humm

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

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begin  quotation of Scott Mohnkern on 2004-08-20 11:47:44 -0400:

> hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before

Typo - `apt-cache search`.  Sorry


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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Scott Mohnkern]

hmmm. I've never tried "apt-get search" before
and it didn't work..
Scott
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:10:07 -0400, Alec Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
begin  quotation of Scott Mohnkern on 2004-08-20 09:13:39 -0400:
should apt-get being doing kernel updates?  For some reason I'm
still running 2.2.

apt-get will be doing updates to your kernel; problem is, I doubt
there are any.  The kernel packages are generally version specific;
for example, kernel 2.4.18 is in a different package than kerenl
2.4.26.  However, any fixes for 2.4.18 will result in a new version of
that package.  `apt-get search kernel-image` to show the available
kernels, and then select one to install.  Be careful, though, as
updating from a 2.2 kernel to a 2.4 kernel will be quite a change.

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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

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begin  quotation of Scott Mohnkern on 2004-08-20 09:13:39 -0400:

> should apt-get being doing kernel updates?  For some reason I'm
> still running 2.2.


apt-get will be doing updates to your kernel; problem is, I doubt
there are any.  The kernel packages are generally version specific;
for example, kernel 2.4.18 is in a different package than kerenl
2.4.26.  However, any fixes for 2.4.18 will result in a new version of
that package.  `apt-get search kernel-image` to show the available
kernels, and then select one to install.  Be careful, though, as
updating from a 2.2 kernel to a 2.4 kernel will be quite a change.


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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Mariano Wahlmann]

Scott Mohnkern wrote:
This is probably a really stupid question.
should apt-get being doing kernel updates?  For some reason I'm still  
running 2.2.

Scott Mohnkern

you should update your kernel manually, i mean apt-get install 
kernel-2.4.x, because atp-get doesn't update kernel automaticaly.

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Kernel updates with apt-get?

[Scott Mohnkern]

This is probably a really stupid question.
should apt-get being doing kernel updates?  For some reason I'm still  
running 2.2.

Scott Mohnkern
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