Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
Dexter Graphic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The site is a rich source of information on GNU/Linux laptops. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ But it's almost too much information and to general in nature to be of immediate use. I still have no idea how to go about comparing the hundreds of models listed and what each one's strengths and weaknesses are in terms of running my preferred OS: Debian GNU/Linux. Perhaps some of you folks would be willing to share your own laptop preferences? Are there any hardware companies you know of that provide GPL drivers and support open standards? Hi, I use a compaq armada 1750 under debian since the slink times, and I?m very happy with it. Graphics, Sound, PCMCIA, everything works. Greetings, Christoph
Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux? (about TOSHIBA)
Hi possible notebook buyers I can understand some negative feelings toward Toshiba notebook because it took some tweekings before booting into normal multiuser mode without freezing Keyboard. (I saw a nasy comment in this thread) In conclusion, Linux installation to notebook PC may be not as easy as desktop but it can be done. I agree that it is fun!!! I have Toshiba Dynabook Portage 3300 CT and wrote an install guide at http://www.aokiconsulting.com/pc/ for this PC which is linked from U.T. site previous thread mention below. (My PC is one of the ultrathin model) Back then, I was RedHat user but my Toshiba system has been happily upgraded to Debian Potato using network install. At any rate, key is to get gpm mouse repeater intialized before pcmcia modules started by sysvinit script. This misteriously solves problem in both RedHat and Debian install process. I do not see this with my old IBM TP230Cs so suspecting some kind of system initialization problem specific to Toshiba's mouse and keyboard attached to the system. (Inserting Bash read command after pcmcia but before gpm initialization also solved this problem of frozen KB. You can ssh/telnet throgh network so Kernel is alive!) Also, Toshiba provides special diskimage CD for WINDOZE. Without modifying batch script, you can not install them to partition like /dev/hda2. (Depend on model and country. MS official CD did not come with Toshiba but disk image provided can be installed without problem into repartitioned HD if proper care is taken.) Osamu PS: Standard sysvinit (Debian/Redhat) seems to initialze pcmcia before starting gpm. On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:56:32AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got me a Toshiba 3440CT portege. I am struggling to get things working, but that's part of the fun. What I managed so far is to get X working, that is by far the most important. Sound on this thing is not so interesting, unless you hook it up to some decent speakers. Didn't try IrDA yet (compiled the modules, but didn't checked if my palmpilot could communicate) The CD player is separate and it still has to be delivered so I don't know nothing about it yet. Ethernet works right out of the box, no problem at all. I have been looking around for many weeks to choose a nice laptop. I knew what I wanted to spent, and then started looking. So, if you want something portable look for something like a 3440 portege, if you don't want the trouble of all these seperate devices and use it more as desktop, get an all-in-one (like a thinkpad A20, my other possible choice) Another thing I considered important was the screen resolution, I wanted 1024x768 or more. Dell has some inspirons with high res, but they are HEAVY. My portege has 1024x768 and it is light. But it is not as small as vaio SR11K (same res, smaller screen). Oh, modems, this one has a lucent modem, there is only a binary module for 2.2.12 available, I get it inserted in 2.2.17, and wvdial finds it, but since I have ISDN I don't know if it works (yet). If you are not sure, buy a pcmcia modem, they work. Just make a wishlist and start looking around. If you have a specific question maybe I can help, I just ended my quest for the perfect laptop. Dirk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + + Fingerprint: 814E BD64 3288 40E7 E88E 3D92 C3F8 EA94 D5DE 453D + + === http://www.aokiconsulting.com === Cupertino, CA USA === +
Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
I've had great experiences with my Thinkpad 770E and a20p. Although, you will have to run XFree86 4.0.1 on the a20p for best performance. On Monday 04 December 2000 05:13, Christoph Gaitzsch wrote: Dexter Graphic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The site is a rich source of information on GNU/Linux laptops. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ But it's almost too much information and to general in nature to be of immediate use. I still have no idea how to go about comparing the hundreds of models listed and what each one's strengths and weaknesses are in terms of running my preferred OS: Debian GNU/Linux. Perhaps some of you folks would be willing to share your own laptop preferences? Are there any hardware companies you know of that provide GPL drivers and support open standards? Hi, I use a compaq armada 1750 under debian since the slink times, and I´m very happy with it. Graphics, Sound, PCMCIA, everything works. Greetings, Christoph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
The site is a rich source of information on GNU/Linux laptops. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ But it's almost too much information and to general in nature to be of immediate use. I still have no idea how to go about comparing the hundreds of models listed and what each one's strengths and weaknesses are in terms of running my preferred OS: Debian GNU/Linux. Perhaps some of you folks would be willing to share your own laptop preferences? Are there any hardware companies you know of that provide GPL drivers and support open standards? Dexter Graphic Never be afraid to follow truth, beauty, and goodness wherever they may lead you. DG
Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
I would say Avoid toshiba Dell, and IBM laptops seem to work very well with Linux, and from what i gather from the catalogs elinux.com sends me it seems the new compaqs work well with linux. I have personally setup several dell latitude(not sure what model, but it had a celeron 400 128MB ram, 12G disk and 14 screen i think) IBM Thinkpad 600, IBM iseries(dont know what model, had P5-300 64MB 13 screen), and 2 toshiba sattelites. the toshibas by far were the hardest and had the worst support. the dells had the best support however the IBMs i had were quite old(at least a year) so IBM support probably has improved since. nate Dexter Graphic wrote: The site is a rich source of information on GNU/Linux laptops. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ But it's almost too much information and to general in nature to be of immediate use. I still have no idea how to go about comparing the hundreds of models listed and what each one's strengths and weaknesses are in terms of running my preferred OS: Debian GNU/Linux. Perhaps some of you folks would be willing to share your own laptop preferences? Are there any hardware companies you know of that provide GPL drivers and support open standards? Dexter Graphic Never be afraid to follow truth, beauty, and goodness wherever they may lead you. DG -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
I just got me a Toshiba 3440CT portege. I am struggling to get things working, but that's part of the fun. What I managed so far is to get X working, that is by far the most important. Sound on this thing is not so interesting, unless you hook it up to some decent speakers. Didn't try IrDA yet (compiled the modules, but didn't checked if my palmpilot could communicate) The CD player is separate and it still has to be delivered so I don't know nothing about it yet. Ethernet works right out of the box, no problem at all. I have been looking around for many weeks to choose a nice laptop. I knew what I wanted to spent, and then started looking. So, if you want something portable look for something like a 3440 portege, if you don't want the trouble of all these seperate devices and use it more as desktop, get an all-in-one (like a thinkpad A20, my other possible choice) Another thing I considered important was the screen resolution, I wanted 1024x768 or more. Dell has some inspirons with high res, but they are HEAVY. My portege has 1024x768 and it is light. But it is not as small as vaio SR11K (same res, smaller screen). Oh, modems, this one has a lucent modem, there is only a binary module for 2.2.12 available, I get it inserted in 2.2.17, and wvdial finds it, but since I have ISDN I don't know if it works (yet). If you are not sure, buy a pcmcia modem, they work. Just make a wishlist and start looking around. If you have a specific question maybe I can help, I just ended my quest for the perfect laptop. Dirk
Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Nate Amsden wrote: I would say Avoid toshiba This isn't quite fair to Mr. Amsden, who it seems has a lot of experience with linux on laptops, but--please be careful with statements that lump together all laptops of a certain brand. Experiences with a few representatives of a brand are not sufficient to generalize. If you look through Mr. Harker's linux-laptops page, you'll find some happy Toshiba users as well as some less happy ones, and the same is true across all brands. I'm guessing that only a very small percentage of laptop buyers are expecting to make significant use of GNU/Linux, and even fewer are planning to use exclusively GNU/Linux. As a result, no-one thinks too hard about, say, replacing a perfectly good hardware modem in one model with a winmodem in the next (otherwise extremely similar) model. So you just have to research individual models, unless you can find someone who will sell your OS of choice pre-installed. I'm quite happy with my Sony 505tr, but it's over a year old now (and it's discontinued), and from what I've heard the newer Sony 505's aren't as good for Linux. But, again, it may well depend on the particular model. Research, research, research --Bruce F.
Re: Laptops for Debian GNU/Linux?
J. Bruce Fields wrote: On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Nate Amsden wrote: I would say Avoid toshiba This isn't quite fair to Mr. Amsden, who it seems has a lot of experience with linux on laptops, but--please be careful with statements that lump together all laptops of a certain brand. Experiences with a few representatives of a brand are not sufficient to generalize. If you look through Mr. Harker's linux-laptops page, you'll find some happy Toshiba users as well as some less happy ones, and the same is true across all brands. I have a Toshiba 2100CDS which runs Debian no problem. I has a Lucent Win-modem but I just use a PCMCIA LAN card -- No Problem 8-) -- ~~~ Jack Morgan System Administrator, Exodus Communications Phone/Fax: (03) 5334-1770/5334-1771 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~
