Re: Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
On 10/27/2014 10:20 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ thiagocmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I would like to evaluate both `eudev` (or any other *udev), plus `uselessd`, on Debian sid/testing. Lets do it?! I' m planning to achieve, at least, CGroups Process with `uselessd` (no init scripts). I would strongly encourage you to get in touch with the eudev maintainers and offer to help. The biggest criticism I heard on the gentoo list when eudev was forked from udev (by a couple of gentoo devs a long time ago when systemd consumed udev) - by systemd proponents - and actually, it was more snarky derisive remarks - was that eudev was not keeping up with all of the 'improvements' that were being pushed into udev by the systemd devs, and so the systems of anyone using eudev were somehow less secure and/or at risk... So, the first thing to do is start helping out the eudev devs to get it fully up to date with the current state (non-systemd-related) of the mainline udev, and see what can be done about keeping it there (at least with respect to anything critical/important)... Who knows, uselessd+eudev may become the new default gentoo init system, and alternative init system for anyone wanting a systemd-less system. I imagine there would at the very least have to also be maintained something like the systemd-shim, that would act as the interface for programs that require systemd, to provide an alternate means of accomplishing whatever is needed by the dependency. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5450d393.1070...@libertytrek.org
Re: Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
On Ma, 28 oct 14, 00:20:24, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: I would like to evaluate both `eudev` (or any other *udev), plus `uselessd`, on Debian sid/testing. There's already a Request For Package (RFP) bug[1] against the wnpp[2] pseudo-package, you might want to post your progress there. I'd suggest anyone interested to subscribe to the bug. If you start working on a package that could be uploaded to Debian do retitle the RFP to an Intent To Package (ITP), take ownership of it and file a Request For Sponsor (RFS) bug against sponsorship-requests. For questions about packaging you should probably ask on debian-mentors. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763499 [2] http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
Le 28.10.2014 03:20, Martinx - ジェームズ a écrit : Hey guys, I would like to evaluate both `eudev` (or any other *udev), plus `uselessd`, on Debian sid/testing. Lets do it?! I' m planning to achieve, at least, CGroups Process with `uselessd` (no init scripts). If things goes well, I think that `uselessd + new udev` might be a good path to follow, mostly because it will not required double-work on maintaining both systemd-stuff + sysinit scripts... And you get a new cool init system! Only a new _init system_... Am I right?! Also, I would like to evaluate the quality of `eudev` itself and the alternatives (including fallback to static /dev). BTW, I see that if `useelssd + eudev` works, then, a Debian fork might not appear, because we can have a systemd-free Debian without extra work of maintaining two completely different init systems. What about that?! I support you. If you need some tester, I could do that. Cheers! Thiago -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/144baf80386ff3561b5775e873cb7...@neutralite.org
Re: Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
Andrei's reply has lots of useful stuff in it, I just had two things to add: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:20:24AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: If things goes well, I think that `uselessd + new udev` might be a good path to follow, mostly because it will not required double-work on maintaining both systemd-stuff + sysinit scripts... And you get a new cool init system! Only a new _init system_... Am I right?! Wrong, I'm afraid. Debian policy is to provide init scripts and to support multiple init systems, so daemon packages can't stop doing that, they have to support sysvinit scripts for the forseeable future. Secondly, if you want to discuss creating Debian packages, please use debian-ment...@lists.debian.org and not debian-user@ for that. Thanks, -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141028133452.ga28...@chew.redmars.org
Re: Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
Le 28.10.2014 14:34, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : Andrei's reply has lots of useful stuff in it, I just had two things to add: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:20:24AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: If things goes well, I think that `uselessd + new udev` might be a good path to follow, mostly because it will not required double-work on maintaining both systemd-stuff + sysinit scripts... And you get a new cool init system! Only a new _init system_... Am I right?! Wrong, I'm afraid. Debian policy is to provide init scripts and to support multiple init systems, so daemon packages can't stop doing that, they have to support sysvinit scripts for the forseeable future. What he meant is probably that it won't add work to anybody since people are more on the move to only support systemd's units (which will probably be compatible with uselessd, but I doubt it will be as perfect as I would, since uselessd does less things...). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1f8cafa9e57b2a5f14612fcc68f65...@neutralite.org
Lets make `eudev + uselessd` Debian packages?
Hey guys, I would like to evaluate both `eudev` (or any other *udev), plus `uselessd`, on Debian sid/testing. Lets do it?! I' m planning to achieve, at least, CGroups Process with `uselessd` (no init scripts). If things goes well, I think that `uselessd + new udev` might be a good path to follow, mostly because it will not required double-work on maintaining both systemd-stuff + sysinit scripts... And you get a new cool init system! Only a new _init system_... Am I right?! Also, I would like to evaluate the quality of `eudev` itself and the alternatives (including fallback to static /dev). BTW, I see that if `useelssd + eudev` works, then, a Debian fork might not appear, because we can have a systemd-free Debian without extra work of maintaining two completely different init systems. What about that?! Cheers! Thiago -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJSM8J3b+ig5=25YCoZmHrnoassZ0h2BWmvRVd=em7nwixt...@mail.gmail.com
