Re: Libranet to Sarge
On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:35:56 -0500 Keith Winston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is there some reason Debian can't adopt the Libranet installer and tweak it for the Debain defaults intead of the Libranet defaults? The installer is very nice. Libranet is a commercial distro (and a very good one too - it's what I use). Anyway, the installer and configuration utilities are the property of the owners, so Debian can't simply adopt it without permission. The free version 2.0 that you downloaded is free because the Libranet owners have generously chosen to make it so (presumably, to encourage you to eventually purchase the newer version 2.7, or the upcoming 2.8). However, just because 2.0 is available free doesn't mean that it was released under the GPL, as Debian is. Also, I would presume that Libranet hasn't released the source code for their installer, since they are not required to (under the GPL, you are obliged to release the source code). You can, of course, continue to upgrade your Libranet installation with apt-get. I'm not real sure what happens when you mix and match programs from gcc 2.95 with binaries that were compiled under gcc 3.2. Maybe someone else more technically astute can answer that. I understand that Debian will be adopting a new graphical installer in the future, but I don't know the details. - Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libranet to Sarge
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:24:46PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:35:56 -0500 Keith Winston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is there some reason Debian can't adopt the Libranet installer and tweak it for the Debain defaults intead of the Libranet defaults? The installer is very nice. Libranet is a commercial distro (and a very good one too - it's what I use). Anyway, the installer and configuration utilities are the property of the owners, so Debian can't simply adopt it without permission. The free version 2.0 that you downloaded is free because the Libranet owners have generously chosen to make it so (presumably, to encourage you to eventually purchase the newer version 2.7, or the upcoming 2.8). However, just because 2.0 is available free doesn't mean that it was released under the GPL, as Debian is. Debian isn't released under the GPL. Bits of it are, certainly. You can, of course, continue to upgrade your Libranet installation with apt-get. I'm not real sure what happens when you mix and match programs from gcc 2.95 with binaries that were compiled under gcc 3.2. Maybe someone else more technically astute can answer that. With programs written in C it's fine, but it won't work with C++. However, as long as you're only dealing with packages then the transition plan we're using at the moment should still be effective. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libranet to Sarge
Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:24:46PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: Libranet is a commercial distro (and a very good one too - it's what I use). Anyway, the installer and configuration utilities are the property of the owners, so Debian can't simply adopt it without permission. The free version 2.0 that you downloaded is free because the Libranet owners have generously chosen to make it so (presumably, to encourage you to eventually purchase the newer version 2.7, or the upcoming 2.8). However, just because 2.0 is available free doesn't mean that it was released under the GPL, as Debian is. Debian isn't released under the GPL. Bits of it are, certainly. You can, of course, continue to upgrade your Libranet installation with apt-get. I'm not real sure what happens when you mix and match programs from gcc 2.95 with binaries that were compiled under gcc 3.2. Maybe someone else more technically astute can answer that. With programs written in C it's fine, but it won't work with C++. However, as long as you're only dealing with packages then the transition plan we're using at the moment should still be effective. Thank you Robert and Colin for your replies. While I like a lot about Libranet, my plan was to use it as a short cut installer for Debian. I hope that doesn't violate the spirit of the free (older) Libranet version. The price of Libranet seems a little high to me, considering that they rely on Debian to provide security fixes, but damn the installer is nice ;) Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Wake up, baby, cause I'm coming to you from the future -- D Wyndorf Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libranet to Sarge
While I like a lot about Libranet, my plan was to use it as a short cut installer for Debian. I hope that doesn't violate the spirit of the free (older) Libranet version. The price of Libranet seems a little high to me, considering that they rely on Debian to provide security fixes, but damn the installer is nice ;) Thats exactly what I try right now because I want reiserfs but I get all sorts of problems with apt-get giving me an error about the cache size and all the fixes the where suggested here didn't work so far. Strange thing is that I got the same sources list like I had with an original debian install and everything worked fine there. I'll probably abandon ship on that one - no idea what else is going to come up. Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Libranet to Sarge
Hi, Hi, ...my question is if I do an apt-get upgrade, will I officially be converted to sarge, or is there more to it than that? I believe you might have to apt-get dist-upgrade when doing a change so fundamental. -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libranet to Sarge
On 6 Mar 03 22:35:56 GMT, Keith Winston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is there some reason Debian can't adopt the Libranet installer and tweak it for the Debain defaults intead of the Libranet defaults? The installer is very nice. Debian supports 11(?) architectures. How many does the Libranet installer support? -- Frank Copeland Home Page: URL:http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fjc/ Not the Scientology Home Page: URL:http://xenu.apana.org.au/ntshp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Libranet to Sarge
Hi, I am new to this list and new to debian (but not linux). A few months ago, I installed woody on my laptop, but was disappointed in the shape the install left things. There were too many things left to configure manually. So, over the weekend, I wiped it and decided to try the free version of Libranet (2.0), basically for the installer, with plans to convert to sarge. The Libranet install went great, set up my network, sound, X, etc. reasonably well. Next, I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to sarge instead of woody. Then, I did an apt-get install synaptic, then upgraded X to 4.2.1 and fixed up my X even better. Upgraded a few more things with synaptic. Wow, synaptic/apt-get rocks! Sorry about the long pre-amble...my question is if I do an apt-get upgrade, will I officially be converted to sarge, or is there more to it than that? I realize some of the Libranet stuff will be left over. By the way, is there some reason Debian can't adopt the Libranet installer and tweak it for the Debain defaults intead of the Libranet defaults? The installer is very nice. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Wake up, baby, cause I'm coming to you from the future -- D Wyndorf Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
