Re: Limited X setup

2010-02-28 Thread Jari Fredriksson
On 28.2.2010 0:24, joseph lockhart wrote:
 Hello, been a while since I posted, working on setting up a partition which 
 will run mainly console programs, however, I was interested in setting up X 
 to run a few programs (or maybe the framebuffer) a quick search of the web 
 yielded no help. Any suggestions on where to look. 
 
 Running lenny from netinstall with some console added already but no graphics 
 yet. Also I have no interest in a GUI for this project.
 
 jwlockhart
 

I just install xterm, and get minimal stuff to run software on a remote
x-server.

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Re: Limited X setup

2010-02-28 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
putting this back on-list...

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:03:54PM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:
 
 
 --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Andrew Sackville-West and...@farwestbilliards.com 
 wrote:

[...]

  1. just install only X (package xorg, or even manually pick
  out
  packages) without a DE. You don't even need a window
  manager, you can
  just run whatever program you want. I used to do this for
  my
  kids... no window manager, nothing, just an instance of
  gcompris for
  them to play with. Worked fine. 
  
 thought about this, just wasn't sure if it would work without setting in 
 xorg.conf or something like that

often X.org just works without a configuration file. Of course, not
always... But I think it's certainly possible to run a very minimal X
system both in terms of package weight and configuration tweaks. It
just requires care in the installation process. Someone else mentioned
installing Xterm, and that's a pretty good idea. It should drag in
only the minimal amount of X. 

.02

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Re: Limited X setup

2010-02-28 Thread Freeman
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 02:24:05PM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:
 Hello, been a while since I posted, working on setting up a partition which 
 will run mainly console programs, however, I was interested in setting up X 
 to run a few programs (or maybe the framebuffer) a quick search of the web 
 yielded no help. Any suggestions on where to look. 
 
 Running lenny from netinstall with some console added already but no graphics 
 yet. Also I have no interest in a GUI for this project.
 
 jwlockhart
 
 Registered Linux User #458799
 this user is penguin powered
 
 

Is this a request for how to run X alone or how to get away from
library-heavy, big desktop environments?

There are plenty of lightweight window managers available in Debian repos
that'll drag in lots of X without lots of desktop libraries.

Openbox has almost become my own version of a desktop at this point.  Fast,
CLI oriented environment with lots of window management and X ability when
needed, configured to taste over the years.  My GRUB menu selects runlevels
configured to 1.) boot directly into CLI with screen, 2.) run .xinit with
Openbox or 3.) run GDM with Gnome.

An overview of the spectrum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments

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Limited X setup

2010-02-27 Thread joseph lockhart
Hello, been a while since I posted, working on setting up a partition which 
will run mainly console programs, however, I was interested in setting up X to 
run a few programs (or maybe the framebuffer) a quick search of the web yielded 
no help. Any suggestions on where to look. 

Running lenny from netinstall with some console added already but no graphics 
yet. Also I have no interest in a GUI for this project.

jwlockhart

Registered Linux User #458799
this user is penguin powered


  


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Re: Limited X setup

2010-02-27 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 02:24:05PM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:
 Hello, been a while since I posted,

Hi Joe!

 working on setting up a partition which will run mainly console
 programs, however, I was interested in setting up X to run a few
 programs (or maybe the framebuffer) a quick search of the web
 yielded no help. Any suggestions on where to look. 

I haven't tried any of this, except #1, so salt accordingly.

1. just install only X (package xorg, or even manually pick out
packages) without a DE. You don't even need a window manager, you can
just run whatever program you want. I used to do this for my
kids... no window manager, nothing, just an instance of gcompris for
them to play with. Worked fine. 

2. check out xserver-xfbdev. looks pretty minimal, uses only the
framebuffer, and has pretty low dependency level. might be
interesting. Its man page points to TinyX which doesn't seem to be in
debian, but might be worth a look.

3. There is some thing you can do to fool the X apps into thinking
they are running in X, but a really just running in the framebuffer. I
don't remember the details, but maybe that will help you search. 

good luck.

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Re: Limited X setup

2010-02-27 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi,

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 02:24:05PM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:
 Hello, been a while since I posted, working on setting up a partition
 which will run mainly console programs, however, I was interested in
 setting up X to run a few programs (or maybe the framebuffer) a quick
 search of the web yielded no help. Any suggestions on where to look. 

Do not install gdm/kdm/xdm/... when you need X application, start X
server from startx.  I thought people suggested.  (I may be wring
remembering things...)

Some X server runs on framebuffer, some not.

A few applications are designed to run directly on framebuffer.

X itself is not so heavy  if you know how to use lightly.
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html

(GNOME/KDE are heavy ... though)

 Running lenny from netinstall with some console added already but no
 graphics yet. Also I have no interest in a GUI for this project.

You do not need GUI but X is GUI.  You sound like you want graphics.  I
do not understand what exactly you wish

FYI: You can see graphics from normal non-X console of PC using
 zgv: SVGAlib graphics viewer
 razzle: constantly changing 3D stereogram generator

All these use SVGAlib.  This is very specialized use case though.

Osamu

PS: I thought there were extensive thread.  Have you read posting to
mailing list?  People usually reply only to the mailing list...


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