Re: Linux freezing up
On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:22:40AM -, Wim Kerkhoff wrote: Has anyone else had problems with AMD being less stable than Intel? My AMD K6-2 350MHz system is 100% stable, so Intel must be impressive :-) Cyrix M2 333MHz is another matter. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome.
Linux freezing up
Hello, I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard Thanks, --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586
Re: Linux freezing up
Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard I've had similar problems that weren't limited to potato or 2.2.10, they happened when I ran slink and a 2.0.36 kernel too. I also had a similar setup as you: amd-k62 250, kernel 2.2.10, and an epox mobo. My system would lock up hard, I couldn't even ping the net from my windows box. I can't count how many times I gave the old three finger salute to my system. I thought it was netscape that gave me all the problems, and it did seem to be a common denominator. I tried different windowmanagers too with the same results. Last week I through in the towel and dropped my 333 MHz celeron into my box and I've had almost no problems (today it crapped out for some reason). I'm running a libc5 version of netscape and I'm using Enlightenment and gnome for X. So, I guess I'm trying to say is that you're not alone :) -- __ _ Mark Wagnon Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ http://www.debian.org
Re: Linux freezing up
- Original Message - From: Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 2:21 AM Subject: Linux freezing up Hello, I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard Thanks, --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Sounds like a processor overheat problem or so, I think. But it's quite strange that you could ping it. Isn't the processor needed for beeing pinged?? Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger.
Re: Linux freezing up
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Hachinger) writes: - Original Message - From: Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 2:21 AM Subject: Linux freezing up Hello, I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What I did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? With the exception of being perfectly able to telnet/ftp I've had the exact same problem myself. It turned out that it was 'just' my Xserver crashing. So I'm going to ask a potentially stupid question just to make sure: You can telnet/ftp into it under normal conditions right? [snip] Sounds like a processor overheat problem or so, I think. But it's quite strange that you could ping it. Isn't the processor needed for beeing pinged?? Yes, I thought so too. Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger. /Patrik.
Re: Linux freezing up
hmm sounds familliar, I had a very similar system, which would lock up completly while using netscape (version 4.08-4.6). I found that upgrading gnome from 1.0 to 1.06 fixed the problem. There are instructions on the gnome website on how to add them to your sources list, then you can use apt to get the newest version. Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03 1:14 AM Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard I've had similar problems that weren't limited to potato or 2.2.10, they happened when I ran slink and a 2.0.36 kernel too. I also had a similar setup as you: amd-k62 250, kernel 2.2.10, and an epox mobo. My system would lock up hard, I couldn't even ping the net from my windows box. I can't count how many times I gave the old three finger salute to my system. I thought it was netscape that gave me all the problems, and it did seem to be a common denominator. I tried different windowmanagers too with the same results. Last week I through in the towel and dropped my 333 MHz celeron into my box and I've had almost no problems (today it crapped out for some reason). I'm running a libc5 version of netscape and I'm using Enlightenment and gnome for X. So, I guess I'm trying to say is that you're not alone :) -- __ _ Mark Wagnon Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ http://www.debian.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Linux freezing up
On 03-Aug-99 Patrik Magnusson wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Hachinger) writes: - Original Message - From: Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 2:21 AM Hello, I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What I did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? With the exception of being perfectly able to telnet/ftp I've had the exact same problem myself. It turned out that it was 'just' my Xserver crashing. So I'm going to ask a potentially stupid question just to make sure: You can telnet/ftp into it under normal conditions right? Yep, no problems before, or now after rebooting. From the Windows box, I telneted to a shell account at my ISP, and from there I could ping wim.dhis.org, a hostname for my dynamic IP. So... ping is working, and the kernel is still working fine, because it is forwarding IP's properly. The three-fingered salute mentioned by someone else did not work. Basically, the keyboard/mouse were dead. Before this motherboard, I had an Asus P5A with an intel 740 AGP Real 3d starfighter, and that was continually locking up, even in Windows 98. I am not overclocking, just running at normal board speed of 100mhz x 3.5. I have a fan on the cpu, and a power supply fan. Do I need another case fan? I was using the netscape, just html pages. [snip] Sounds like a processor overheat problem or so, I think. But it's quite strange that you could ping it. Isn't the processor needed for beeing pinged?? Yes, I thought so too. I am running the [EMAIL PROTECTED] stuff fulltime. I was gone for a week, and a couple of those running, but there were not problems when I got back. Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger. /Patrik. --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586
Re: Linux freezing up
On 03-Aug-99 Patrik Magnusson wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Hachinger) writes: - Original Message - From: Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 2:21 AM Hello, I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What I did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? With the exception of being perfectly able to telnet/ftp I've had the exact same problem myself. It turned out that it was 'just' my Xserver crashing. So I'm going to ask a potentially stupid question just to make sure: You can telnet/ftp into it under normal conditions right? [snip] Sounds like a processor overheat problem or so, I think. But it's quite strange that you could ping it. Isn't the processor needed for beeing pinged?? Yes, I thought so too. --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586
Re: Linux freezing up
I am using Netscape glibc 4.61 right now, quite unstable (window closing stuff). I have the lastests gnome using apt-get from cybertrails.com, as well as enlightenment. I update/dist-upgrade almost daily. I don't use gnome/kde/enlightenment, even though I have them installed. I use WindowMaker. I don't really think it is a windowmanager/browser problem. I would rather a think the X server, or hardware. Yet, the kernel is working fine (I can ping), but the software on top is not running: ftpd and telnetd don't work. This freezing up is not a daily occurence for me; I have been up for 2 weeks before it froze (or I bumped the power cord :-p ) On 03-Aug-99 Raphael clancy wrote: hmm sounds familliar, I had a very similar system, which would lock up completly while using netscape (version 4.08-4.6). I found that upgrading gnome from 1.0 to 1.06 fixed the problem. There are instructions on the gnome website on how to add them to your sources list, then you can use apt to get the newest version. Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03 1:14 AM Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard I've had similar problems that weren't limited to potato or 2.2.10, they happened when I ran slink and a 2.0.36 kernel too. I also had a similar setup as you: amd-k62 250, kernel 2.2.10, and an epox mobo. My system would lock up hard, I couldn't even ping the net from my windows box. I can't count how many times I gave the old three finger salute to my system. I thought it was netscape that gave me all the problems, and it did seem to be a common denominator. I tried different windowmanagers too with the same results. Last week I through in the towel and dropped my 333 MHz celeron into my box and I've had almost no problems (today it crapped out for some reason). I'm running a libc5 version of netscape and I'm using Enlightenment and gnome for X. So, I guess I'm trying to say is that you're not alone :) -- --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586
Re: Linux freezing up
With the exception of being perfectly able to telnet/ftp I've had the exact same problem myself. It turned out that it was 'just' my Xserver crashing. So I'm going to ask a potentially stupid question just to make sure: You can telnet/ftp into it under normal conditions right? Yep, no problems before, or now after rebooting. From the Windows box, I telneted to a shell account at my ISP, and from there I could ping wim.dhis.org, a hostname for my dynamic IP. So... ping is working, and the kernel is still working fine, because it is forwarding IP's properly. The three-fingered salute mentioned by someone else did not work. Basically, the keyboard/mouse were dead. Before this motherboard, I had an Asus P5A with an intel 740 AGP Real 3d starfighter, and that was continually locking up, even in Windows 98. ^^^ Are you serious about that? I am serious. It was locking up 2-3 times a day, doing random things like starting a program, doing nothing, clicking a button. The demo programs that came with the card to demonstrate the 3D capabilities caused to to freeze especially. I think it was just a bad motherboard/video card combo, the video card didn't really like the chipset on the motherboard. I now have the A-trend mb and an ATI 3d rage pro. ^^^ Are you serious about that? I am not overclocking, just running at normal board speed of 100mhz x 3.5. I have a fan on the cpu, and a power supply fan. Do I need another case fan? I'm far from an expert when it comes to stuff like this, but I simply can't believe that hardware-problem could crash one part of the computer but not another. Except possibly bad SIMMs. I'm still going to push the theory that the Xserver is to blame. Since you're on a network, maybe you could get X-win32 (an xserver for windows) and use that for a while, and see if this hangs the computer, (the one with linux on.) What do you mean by this? Connect to my Linux box through another computer? One of the other boxes is a 486-66, the other is a Pentium 100, both with windows 95. Rather painful speed wise :) not an option for full-time use. I don't want too boot into Windows, it is just to painful. I can't remember that last time I rebooted (into Windows). I was using the netscape, just html pages. This sounds familiar. I meant to say that I wasn't doing anything that had Java or any of that fancy stuff. Thanks, --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586
Re: Linux freezing up
On 03-Aug-99 Mark Wagnon wrote: Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard I've had similar problems that weren't limited to potato or 2.2.10, they happened when I ran slink and a 2.0.36 kernel too. I also had a similar setup as you: amd-k62 250, kernel 2.2.10, and an epox mobo. My system would lock up hard, I couldn't even ping the net from my windows box. I can't count how many times I gave the old three finger salute to my system. I thought it was netscape that gave me all the problems, and it did seem to be a common denominator. I tried different windowmanagers too with the same results. Last week I through in the towel and dropped my 333 MHz celeron into my box and I've had almost no problems (today it crapped out for some reason). I'm running a libc5 version of netscape and I'm using Enlightenment and gnome for X. Has anyone else had problems with AMD being less stable than Intel? --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586
Re: Linux freezing up
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Stephan Hachinger wrote: Sounds like a processor overheat problem or so, I think. But it's quite strange that you could ping it. Isn't the processor needed for beeing pinged?? Yes. It is not likely a CPU problem. It is more likely that something is wrong with your X - perhaps a video driver - and it is hanging the console. I bet you can log in on telnet and do all kinds of stuff - basically everything except reset the display. SVGATextMode may be able to help you - see if you can use it to save a known video state, then, next time you hang, log in via telnet and use it to restore said state. It might work.
Re: Linux freezing up
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Stephan Hachinger wrote: modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. Of course, upon further review by the replay official my previous message makes a little less sense since I suggest using telnet. Anyway, what is the error message you get? Timeout, connection refused, or does it accept the connection and then just not do anything? Even so, I still think it is a software issue and not a hardware one.
Re: Linux freezing up
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Wim Kerkhoff wrote: On 03-Aug-99 Mark Wagnon wrote: Has anyone else had problems with AMD being less stable than Intel? I had some initial problems with my system, but it appears that a particular brand of DIMMS didn't like my ASUS P5A motherboard. Once I exchanged it for different chips, it's been rock solid. ASUS P5A motherboard, AMD K6-II/400, 128MB RAM, not overclocked. Sincerely, Ray Ingles (248) 377-7735 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something can be comprehensible, even comprehended, and still be marvelous, wonderful, and valuable. - Me
Re: Linux freezing up
Maybe this is related, maybe not (K6-2/350, kernel 2.2.x and potato seem to be common factors in this thread): I have an occasional X lockup. It was more prevalent when I was using icewm-gnome as my wm. I could get it to consistently happen after defining a menu entry for vmware (upon exit from vmware). X was grabbing all the cpu resources. The only way out was to telnet in from another box and reboot. I changed my wm to blackbox and it hasn't happened since, although I occasionally (rarely) lose my cursor after exiting vmware or navigator 4.61. ctrl-alt-backspace always works in this case to kill X. Otherwise navigator has been pretty stable for me, unlike some others. Bob On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:06:32AM -, Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I am using Netscape glibc 4.61 right now, quite unstable (window closing stuff). I have the lastests gnome using apt-get from cybertrails.com, as well as enlightenment. I update/dist-upgrade almost daily. I don't use gnome/kde/enlightenment, even though I have them installed. I use WindowMaker. I don't really think it is a windowmanager/browser problem. I would rather a think the X server, or hardware. Yet, the kernel is working fine (I can ping), but the software on top is not running: ftpd and telnetd don't work. This freezing up is not a daily occurence for me; I have been up for 2 weeks before it froze (or I bumped the power cord :-p ) On 03-Aug-99 Raphael clancy wrote: hmm sounds familliar, I had a very similar system, which would lock up completly while using netscape (version 4.08-4.6). I found that upgrading gnome from 1.0 to 1.06 fixed the problem. There are instructions on the gnome website on how to add them to your sources list, then you can use apt to get the newest version. Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03 1:14 AM Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard I've had similar problems that weren't limited to potato or 2.2.10, they happened when I ran slink and a 2.0.36 kernel too. I also had a similar setup as you: amd-k62 250, kernel 2.2.10, and an epox mobo. My system would lock up hard, I couldn't even ping the net from my windows box. I can't count how many times I gave the old three finger salute to my system. I thought it was netscape that gave me all the problems, and it did seem to be a common denominator. I tried different windowmanagers too with the same results. Last week I through in the towel and dropped my 333 MHz celeron into my box and I've had almost no problems (today it crapped out for some reason). I'm running a libc5 version of netscape and I'm using Enlightenment and gnome for X. So, I guess I'm trying to say is that you're not alone :) -- --- Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canadianhomes.net/wim ICQ: 23284586 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
Re: Linux freezing up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Wim Kerkhoff wrote: The three-fingered salute mentioned by someone else did not work. Basically, the keyboard/mouse were dead. A suggestion I have for situations like this is to have compiled in support for the Magic SysRq key in your kernel (it's like the last option presented in any of the make *config methods. Then read the documentation in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt. It will allow you to send messages straight to the kernel to sync disks, read-only remount disks, kill all procs on the current VT, etc. It's incredibly useful. It usually works even when Ctrl-Alt-Del or Bs don't work. noah PGP public key available at http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/n/nmeyerha/mail.html or by 'finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBN6cpYYdCcpBjGWoFAQFZJwP+KEcben4VE2ABQH4JrNvAxAcGVOvqbXmC POARZ7s15pdZsn/MaEzIQPe9gJpejVEvKvjc04suMkFwwBtrcb8JyBOTuQSmJ9m/ NEQoPxcxEdWf0iBrBqA9wGabxlQkY655BnI3D8eMVFjg1O3+75FFQ9ID9WcikjnE A5chdsVP4cc= =8H82 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Linux freezing up
I had this problem, it is when I upgraded to a new machine, but I used the old video card (S3 Trio 64v+). I had random, unexplaned, hard freeze ups. What ended up being the culprit, was my video card, wich ran w/o a hich untill the day I pulled it and poped it in my new machine. I replaceds it with a new one, and haven't had a problem since... Barrow a card from some were eles, and try that... -Matt- ---++ [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.state.me.us | The mind is not a vessel to be| Web Guru, Perl writer, | filled, it is a fire to be kindled | Windows basher, etc... |-Plutarch | *Debian GNU/Linux*|| ---++
