Loosing communicator file
Well I never could get the communicator 4.5 file moved. I decided to download from /tmp to see if the download would end up in the /tmp directory and it did. I decided to install it later and went into windows to check my mail and when I came back to install the file was gone. Is this a common thing? Also while downloading I can choose from the supported or unsupported communicator 4.5. Is there any difference? I couldn't find anything at the site about which to pick. Thanks, Kent
Re: Loosing communicator file
Hi Kent, Well I never could get the communicator 4.5 file moved. I decided to download from /tmp to see if the download would end up in the /tmp directory and it did. I decided to install it later and went into windows to check my mail and when I came back to install the file was gone. Is this a common thing? Also while downloading I can choose from the supported or unsupported communicator 4.5. Is there any difference? I couldn't find anything at the site about which to pick. I'm not sure whether I understand what you're saying or not but... Are you saying that you downloaded netscape communicator into the /tmp directory, then rebooted into Windows 95/98, returned to linux, and discovered that the file was gone? If so, then the explanation is easy. The /tmp directory is for files which are not meant to hang around for a long time. I think what happens is that when the machine is rebooted, debian linux is configured to delete everything in the /tmp directory. Unfortunately I think you will need to download the file again. The best thing to do is to download it into a different directory, and then copy it across to /tmp just before you try and install it. Hope this helps, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them! _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: Loosing communicator file
haha.. be warned.. that /tmp during reboot is cleaned.. hence it was gone when you rebooted back into debian.. I have heard this from so many ppl.. quite funny.. you will only ever do it once and from then on you won't do it again.. :) -Original Message- From: KTB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, 22 December 1998 12:41 Subject: Loosing communicator file Well I never could get the communicator 4.5 file moved. I decided to download from /tmp to see if the download would end up in the /tmp directory and it did. I decided to install it later and went into windows to check my mail and when I came back to install the file was gone. Is this a common thing? Also while downloading I can choose from the supported or unsupported communicator 4.5. Is there any difference? I couldn't find anything at the site about which to pick. Thanks, Kent -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Loosing communicator file
Ok. Here is what you need to do: 1. Download the installer and dependancy packages for Netscape. 2. Download Netscape communicator 4.,5 from Netscape website. 3. Place the actual netscape source code (13M or so) into /tmp 4. WITHOUT rebooting (reboot cleasn your /tmp directory) run dselect and install the installer package. During installation of installer, it will attempt to install Netscape itself. Andrew Never include a comment that will help | Andrew Ivanov someone else understand your code. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they understand it, they don't | ICQ: 12402354 need you. |
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I did exactly steps 1 through 4 again and this time got an error message saying the file had to be owned by root. Does that mean I have to download the file while signed in as root? I was in root during the attempt at installation. I was not in root during the download. I looked the file was in /tmp. I then tried to move the file out of /tmp using mv before I lost it and it didn't work again. The file is lost because I have to use email through windows and have to reboot because I can't figure out how to use email. It seems to me if I can't move a file from one directory to another there must be something wrong. I put: mv communicator (I then hit tab) /usr it seems to me, from what I read, I am doing it correctly but it doesn't work, this is maddening. The only thing I have been able to do by myself is install the root and get my mouse to work. After three weeks and with five books. Kent Andrew Ivanov wrote: Ok. Here is what you need to do: 1. Download the installer and dependancy packages for Netscape. 2. Download Netscape communicator 4.,5 from Netscape website. 3. Place the actual netscape source code (13M or so) into /tmp 4. WITHOUT rebooting (reboot cleasn your /tmp directory) run dselect and install the installer package. During installation of installer, it will attempt to install Netscape itself. Andrew Never include a comment that will help | Andrew Ivanov someone else understand your code. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they understand it, they don't | ICQ: 12402354 need you. | -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Loosing communicator file
On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, KTB wrote: I did exactly steps 1 through 4 again and this time got an error message saying the file had to be owned by root. Does that mean I have to download the file while signed in as root? I was in root during the attempt at installation. I was not in root during the download. I looked the file was in /tmp. I then tried to move the file out of /tmp using mv before I lost it and it didn't work again. The file is lost because I have to use email through windows and have to reboot because I can't figure out how to use email. It seems to me if I can't move a file from one directory to another there must be something wrong. I put: mv communicator (I then hit tab) /usr it seems to me, from what I read, I am doing it correctly but it doesn't work, this is maddening. The only thing I have been able to do by myself is install the root and get my mouse to work. After three weeks and with five books. Kent I can understand your frustration. It IS a totally different world. Of course you've already learned that unlike Windows, Debian cleans out the /tmp directory on reboot. The loss of that file was unfortunate, but months from now you'll laugh at the mistake, and feel a bit betrayed by the Dark Side for training you to think a temp directory doesn't really mean temporary. Believe it or not, you're making progress. I suspect that the Communicator file has a permissions issue. Do an ls -l in the directory where the file is and let us see the line pertaining to Communicator. Also, you might try to su to root to move the file. This should verify if it's a permissions issue or not. Andrew Ivanov wrote: Ok. Here is what you need to do: 1. Download the installer and dependancy packages for Netscape. 2. Download Netscape communicator 4.,5 from Netscape website. 3. Place the actual netscape source code (13M or so) into /tmp 4. WITHOUT rebooting (reboot cleasn your /tmp directory) run dselect and install the installer package. During installation of installer, it will attempt to install Netscape itself. Andrew Never include a comment that will help | Andrew Ivanov someone else understand your code. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they understand it, they don't | ICQ: 12402354 need you. | -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] KC5ENO - Amateur Radio: When all else fails. Linux - Finally! A real OS for the Intel PC! Life is an ongoing classroom. - Capt. James T. Kirk, Dreadnought
Re: Loosing communicator file
On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Kent West wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, KTB wrote: snip I suspect that the Communicator file has a permissions issue. Do an ls -l in the directory where the file is and let us see the line pertaining to Communicator. Also, you might try to su to root to move the file. This should verify if it's a permissions issue or not. Also, let me remind you that Linux is case-sensitve, so that mv communicator /tmp is NOT the same as mv Communicator /tmp When you press TAB the rest of the filename should fill in for you if you've typed everything correctly to the point where you hit TAB and if what you've typed so far is unique enough for Linux to figure out which filename you mean. -- Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] KC5ENO - Amateur Radio: When all else fails. Linux - Finally! A real OS for the Intel PC! Life is an ongoing classroom. - Capt. James T. Kirk, Dreadnought
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I did exactly steps 1 through 4 again and this time got an error message saying the file had to be owned by root. Does that mean I have to download the file while signed in as root? No you don't have to, though I you can if you want. I was in root during the attempt at installation. I was not in root during the download. This is correct. Which directory did you download the file to? It seems to me if I can't move a file from one directory to another there must be something wrong. I put: mv communicator (I then hit tab) /usr it seems to me, from what I read, I am doing it correctly but it doesn't work, this is maddening. What error message did you get? Did you move it as root? And perhaps I should mention that /usr is probably not the best place to move it to. A better place might be to /root or perhaps to /usr/local. The only thing I have been able to do by myself is install the root and get my mouse to work. After three weeks and with five books. It takes a while to get the hang of things, but you'll get there. Have you had another go at getting X to work. It sounded before like you were almost there. (You'll need to get X working before netscape will work.) 1. Download the installer and dependancy packages for Netscape. 2. Download Netscape communicator 4.,5 from Netscape website. Suppose you were downloading as the user kent. Then download the file somewhere in the kent home directory, eg you could just download it into /home/kent. 3. Place the actual netscape source code (13M or so) into /tmp To do this you would (as root) do: cp /home/kent/communicator[TAB] /tmp where doing the [TAB] should complete the file name for you (if it beeps at you it means it can't complete the file name, either because you've typed in the start of the file wrong, or because there is more than one file which it could complete it to.) 4. WITHOUT rebooting (reboot cleasn your /tmp directory) run dselect and install the installer package. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
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Mark Phillips wrote: It takes a while to get the hang of things, but you'll get there. Have you had another go at getting X to work. It sounded before like you were almost there. (You'll need to get X working before netscape will work.) I am an idiot when it comes to computers. I wish I would have grown up with a computer in my hip pocket like so many out there have today. Anyway I do have X up and running but not because anything I did. I took someone's advice from someone on the list and contacted a local Linux group and a person came over (D'jinnie:) and set it up, lilo as well, it was an amazing site. Someday I will have to go back and learn how to do that stuff but maybe it will be easier after having knocked around a bit in Linux. Well I have to got to work, unfortunately. Thanks for all the help everyone, I will take another crack at Communicator tonight. Kent
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On Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 10:06:49PM -0600, KTB wrote: I did exactly steps 1 through 4 again and this time got an error message saying the file had to be owned by root. Does that mean I have to download the file while signed in as root? I was in root during the attempt at installation. I was not in root during the download. I looked the file was in /tmp. I then tried to move the file out of /tmp using mv before I lost it and it didn't work again. The file is lost because I have to use email through windows and have to reboot because I can't figure out how to use email. It seems to me if I can't move a file from one directory to another there must be something wrong. I put: mv communicator (I then hit tab) /usr it seems to me, from what I read, I am doing it correctly but it doesn't work, this is maddening. The only thing I have been able to do by myself is install the root and get my mouse to work. After three weeks and with five books. It sounds like you almost had it. Here's what you should do this time. If the file is lost again, download it again either into /root (as root) or into your home directory. If you have enough free disk space, cp the file to /tmp instead of moving it. That way you'll have a copy of it around in case you have to boot to Windows again before you get it working. If you don't have enough disk space to cp instead of mv, mv the file back to where ever you downloaded it from before you boot to Windows. Now try installing it again. If you get the same error message again, type ls -l. This will tell you who owns the file. If root does not own it (and root won't unless you downloaded the file as root), type the command, while you are root, chown root FILENAME. Where filename is the name of the communicator file, the tab trick should work again. Check ls -l again. Now root should own the file. And you should be able to install netscape. About the supported/unsupported issue for netscape - its really just an issue of which version of the C libraries you want to use. The supported version uses libc5, and the unsupported version uses its successor, glibc2 (or libc6). I think that they call the libc5 version supported because when netscape 4.0 was first released glibc2 was still very new (or maybe not even released yet). Anyway, if your using using Debian 2.0 (hamm, slink, or potato) or higher, you probably want to use the unsupported netscape. Debian 2.0 or higher uses glibc2, so you probably already have most of the libraries that netscape requires installed. You could also use the unsupportedversion, but then you have to install some of the libc5 libraries from the oldlibs section of the Debian distribution. Anyway, I hope this works for you. -- Jim Crumley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Work: 612 624-6804 or -1335 |
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I am an idiot when it comes to computers. I wish I would have grown up with a computer in my hip pocket like so many out there have today. Nahh, don't worry, it's a matter of practice. I wish I grew up with a computer in my hit pocket toobut unfortunately, I didnt. And my computer I have at home right now I had to put together from old spare parts. You'll learn. I've learned not to put anything into /tmp the hard way. And it was during Communicator installation as well, actually. Whats a problem with the email? Why doesnt your modem work? Whats a problem? ANdrew
