Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 09:17:33PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:57:08AM -0500, cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. Hi Cecil, I have a libretto 110: p1-166 32mb ram, 10gb (up from 2gb). I have X with windowmaker running with mozilla-fire$PICK_ONE. Its not a speed deamon but it works. Sounds like you'll be doing non-gui progamming anyway unless this is some upper level class. most beginning classes in pascal,fortran,c,c++, etc. use stdout, not gui stuff. At most, the program may use a generic gui output method to simulate a console. Maybe you teacher will ok you submitting a text file dump and not the fancy screen shot. And if you _really_ want a window manager that looks like you're operating on the console apart from graphical output from time to time, use ion (or ion-devel). I used that on my old laptop when I was tired of waiting for gnome etc. and didn't want to be distracted from my thesis work at all. If I _did_ want to be distracted, I used windowmaker with some nice dockapps. Looks just fine! David -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
David Fokkema wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 09:17:33PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:57:08AM -0500, cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. Hi Cecil, I have a libretto 110: p1-166 32mb ram, 10gb (up from 2gb). I have X with windowmaker running with mozilla-fire$PICK_ONE. Its not a speed deamon but it works. Sounds like you'll be doing non-gui progamming anyway unless this is some upper level class. most beginning classes in pascal,fortran,c,c++, etc. use stdout, not gui stuff. At most, the program may use a generic gui output method to simulate a console. Maybe you teacher will ok you submitting a text file dump and not the fancy screen shot. And if you _really_ want a window manager that looks like you're operating on the console apart from graphical output from time to time, use ion (or ion-devel). I used that on my old laptop when I was tired of waiting for gnome etc. and didn't want to be distracted from my thesis work at all. If I _did_ want to be distracted, I used windowmaker with some nice dockapps. Looks just fine! David WindowMaker is surprisingly lightweight and high performing. If you have to go 'X' then this might be the best option. IIRC it uses 4MB of memory footprint. Probably better than fvwm but I'm not sure about twm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 12:11:47PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 09:17:33PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:57:08AM -0500, cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. Hi Cecil, I have a libretto 110: p1-166 32mb ram, 10gb (up from 2gb). I have X with windowmaker running with mozilla-fire$PICK_ONE. Its not a speed deamon but it works. Sounds like you'll be doing non-gui progamming anyway unless this is some upper level class. most beginning classes in pascal,fortran,c,c++, etc. use stdout, not gui stuff. At most, the program may use a generic gui output method to simulate a console. Maybe you teacher will ok you submitting a text file dump and not the fancy screen shot. And if you _really_ want a window manager that looks like you're operating on the console apart from graphical output from time to time, use ion (or ion-devel). I used that on my old laptop when I was tired of waiting for gnome etc. and didn't want to be distracted from my thesis There is also ratpoison which is very light if you are into those kinds of window managers. work at all. If I _did_ want to be distracted, I used windowmaker with some nice dockapps. Looks just fine! David -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:50:20AM -0500, cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil With the replies so far, I guess you now know that X will run on your machine. Knoppix might have troubles, though, because its autoconfiguration may be designed for a larger machine (it reserves a 10 megabyte RAMdisk, for example, and thst's a *lot* of your RAM, and may no longer have space for X. As for minimal X, I once (ten or fifteen years ago) used an X terminal with only 8 meg of RAM. It worked fine, though all my applications and even the window manager had to run on another machine! May I recommend abiword? It will also generate word files, and it's a good deal smaller than OpenOffice. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:06:51PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:50:20AM -0500, cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil With the replies so far, I guess you now know that X will run on your machine. Knoppix might have troubles, though, because its autoconfiguration may be designed for a larger machine (it reserves a 10 megabyte RAMdisk, for example, and thst's a *lot* of your RAM, and may no longer have space for X. Most modern desktops and live cds, including knoppix and friends won't run on that machine and it will probably take some time to set up, but I also ran linux originally with X and fvwm on a 486 and a 1GB HD. startoffice 5 (what is now openoffice) ran on it at the time, but was _very_ slow, so openoffice will probably be a problem. Mozilla probably won't like it too much either since its a resource hog, but there are lighter variants (firefox maybe, epiphany probably). As for minimal X, I once (ten or fifteen years ago) used an X terminal with only 8 meg of RAM. It worked fine, though all my applications and even the window manager had to run on another machine! May I recommend abiword? It will also generate word files, and it's a good deal smaller than OpenOffice. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
OpenOffice.org I have to write Word documents at work on a semi-daily basis for those technically impared and I've yet to have a problem where Openoffice wouldn't work. (Well, MS Project isn't covered but Excel and .doc are just great). Robert Thus spake cecil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. With Dreams To Be A King First One Should Be A Man - Manowar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil And on top of that, I read further, and I need to submit also a screen shot of the running program. Is there anyway to do all this stuff just in the console? I'm not fanatical, I can put on twm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
If you're going to be running OpenOffice.org on it, then... hell yes. :| On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:57 pm, cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. -- Cheers, Paul Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On 2004-06-27T08:51:50-0400, Robert L. Harris wrote: OpenOffice.org I have to write Word documents at work on a semi-daily basis for those technically impared and I've yet to have a problem where Openoffice wouldn't work. (Well, MS Project isn't covered but Excel and .doc are just great). Figures with caption (framed) are buthcered in the process, and there are some minor issues with export of special character symbols (or perhaps triggered via an import of word documents). Other than that, it has worked surprisingly well for me. /Allan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On 2004-06-27T07:55:06-0500, cecil wrote: And on top of that, I read further, and I need to submit also a screen shot of the running program. Is there anyway to do all this stuff just in the console? I'm not fanatical, I can put on twm. If you really mean console, redirect, cutpaste or use screen's hardcopy feature to get a text file. Convert that as need (for instance, enscript to get ps, imagemagick's convert to get whatever you need). If you mean xterm, then you can use imagemagick's import to take a screen shot (but there are a bunch of tools that can do this). /Allan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 08:51:50AM -0400, Robert L. Harris wrote: OpenOffice.org I have to write Word documents at work on a semi-daily basis for those technically impared and I've yet to have a problem where Openoffice wouldn't work. (Well, MS Project isn't covered but Excel and .doc are just great). Robert There are also several latex to rtf converters. You may lose some formating but it will open under word. Thus spake cecil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. With Dreams To Be A King First One Should Be A Man - Manowar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:55:06AM -0500, cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil And on top of that, I read further, and I need to submit also a screen shot of the running program. Is there anyway to do all this stuff just in the console? I'm not fanatical, I can put on twm. You can either setup X, or if you don't need the graphics I think you can also cat /dev/tty0 or something similar to get a text version screen capture, don't remember the exact details, or if you run a frame buffer you can cat the frame biffer device into a file to get a graphics screen capture, not sure though how to convert it into a standard image format. Just catting it back into the frame buffer will put the image back on the screen though ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
cecil writes: Maybe I should get a different laptop? I would suggest that you get a different professor, and perhaps a different university as well. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 10:57:52PM +1000, Paul Fraser wrote: If you're going to be running OpenOffice.org on it, then... hell yes. :| Or you could discuss this with your prof. MS Word can open a few formats (not many - MS don't want you using anything else...), but almost certainly enough for showing i/o of babygrammes. -- Mark Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
%% cecil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: c Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig c hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. I seriously doubt you'll be able to run Office with that amount of RAM... and even getting it installed (with the rest of Linux) in 2G will be tricky (but is probably doable with work). On the other hand, Windows is an even worse resource hog than Linux, and there's NO freakin' way you'll be able to get Windows (well, maybe Windows 3.1...) to run at all on that system, much less any of the Office products. So... -- --- Paul D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] HASMAT--HA Software Mthds Tools Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional. --Mad Scientist --- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
Paul Smith wrote: On the other hand, Windows is an even worse resource hog than Linux, and there's NO freakin' way you'll be able to get Windows (well, maybe Windows 3.1...) to run at all on that system, much less any of the Office products. So... Oh come on. I've got an old Pentium 166 here with 32mb RAM that runs Windows 98 SE and Office 97 - not very fast, and best only 1 Office app at a time, but it works fine really. My dad used it for years and it got the job done. Also, you can easily fit that into say a 500mb partition, if that much can be spared on this guy's 2gb disk. I haven't been following the thread, but surely there are resources at the university that can be used anyway... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 11:00:06AM -0400, Paul Smith wrote: %% cecil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: c Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig c hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. I seriously doubt you'll be able to run Office with that amount of RAM... and even getting it installed (with the rest of Linux) in 2G will be tricky (but is probably doable with work). You absolutely WILL NOT be able to run OO on that system. It would be a small miracle if you were even able to get the Java VM alone to load on there. However, last I checked MS Word has no problem opening up regular old ASCII files. So unless you really NEED to be making charts and use curved text with all sorts of other bells and whistles, I see no reason that he shouldn't accept a plain old ASCII file. Just remember that since he's a Windows user you'll have to name it *.txt so that his system doesn't think it's an executable or who knows what else. As long as you're not going to be writing any extremely complex (i.e. heavy duty number-crunching) programs, that machine should be enough to develop on. For screenshots you can use one of the previously mentioned methods to get a screen capture of your console. If your prof won't accept that, you can install just plain-old X with an xterm and an X screen capture program and call it a day. I have run X with an xterm on a 133 with 24 MB of RAM without TOO much trouble. It's not nearly as snappy as my 2.4 GHz box, it works. :) Hope that helps. FWIW, having gotten my BS a month ago, I've found that most profs are willing to let you work in whatever environment you want as long as you do the work and as long as they're able to efficiently grade it. The only time this has been a problem with me was with a prof who wanted compiled binaries as part of the submitted assignment. For this I would run down to the lab, do a compile (and use their printer to print source, etc) and then go to class. Best of luck to you with your schooling and your laptop. :) -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:50:20AM -0500, cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Since you're already thinking about LaTeX... Your professor is running windows and cares about file size. There is a very handy windows app which can read _all files_ which a linux app can generate, if that app can print to a file, as most (if not all) can. The de facto standard on un*x systems for printing files is postscript. Certainly with LaTeX it is _very_ easy to output these. The nice thing about postscript is that you can translate it to Adobe's Portable Data Format (PDF) and the windows program I'm talking about would be Adobe's Acrobat Reader. All my teachers in the last year and the entire school I teach are running windows, but I just convert everything to pdf and I'm all set. I would be very suprised if your professor wouldn't accept pdf. If he doesn't, I'd think about following John's suggestion. HTH, David -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:50:06 +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: There are also several latex to rtf converters. You may lose some formating but it will open under word. Specifically, it tends to bork on multiple tabular environments. -- Stephen Patterson http://patter.mine.nu/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] remove SPAM to reply Linux Counter No: 142831 GPG Public key: 252B8B37 Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. There's nothing wrong with installing X. It's all Free, so use the best tool for the job. For many tasks I have nothing open but a single fullscreen terminal with no window decorations, but it is an xterm. For me, text in an xterm is faster, crisper, and at 1600x1200 is higher resolution than anything I can get on the console with my video card. I feel that I mentioned this a week or two ago when we were having a similar conversation on the list, but even if you were to use OpenOffice.org, whenever you need to turn in a .doc file converted from OOo (rather than a printed document), you are going to want to preview the .doc document on a machine running Windows, in genuine MS Word, and preferably the same version your instructor will be running. Either you will need to use a lab computer to do this, or use a friend's computer. Because if something doesn't work right, there are no excuses. You had access to a lab computer just like all the people who don't even have a personal computer, and you had access to the prescribed tools on those lab computers. Which operating system you will be running is going to be the least of your worries. You're _never_ going to get a higher grade because your completed assignment went through n esoteric conversions and was keyed in on a front panel. And if you have to worry about that, you are either going to need to spend that much more time on the assignment than everyone else, or you will be stressed and start to miss things. It is almost never worth accepting a lower grade because you did not use the prescribed tools for the job. CS has very little to do with learning how to operate any particular operating system. You will find many successful CS students who use only Windows, and the odds are that many of them will be smarter and more successful in school than you. It just doesn't matter that much. It really doesn't. Do something Linux or UNIX related at the hobbyist level, in school IT employment, or in an internship. I think you have 4 good options, which have already been covered: - Ask the professor whether you can turn in completed assignments in PDF format, and explain to him or her why you would prefer to. - Compose documents with LaTeX and convert to rtf. Then go to a lab machine and convert rtf to doc with MS Word, preview the doc file in MS Word and cocrrect any formatting issues, zip it, and turn it in (see packages latex2rtf and latex2rtf-doc). - Buy a slightly faster machine and from your campus computer or book store buy educational license copies of Windows 2000 and Office 2000 (or whatever). - Use a lab computer, and keep your machine for tinkering and other free-time pursuits, or for those assignments where it doesn't create more problems than are worth hassling with. Remember, even if you chose to buy a faster machine to run OpenOffice.org, at risk of getting a lower grade when it fails to open correctly or format just right, or display things in the right order, you will still need to go to a lab machine and preview the converted .doc file. And again, it is almost never worth taking that risk. dircha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
Don't believe all the nay sayers on the list. 6 years ago, on my first laptop, I ran Win95 and Office on a 486-DX 33 with 8MB RAM and 120MB HDD (that,s Meg not Gig). It's true that I eventually ended up using Hamm split onto the HDD and a 100Zip drive. I also have a Pentium 100 40MB RAM, 1.2GH HDD that will quite happily run Win98 and Office97. It is stuck in a cupboard now :) That said, I do think you would do better to follow the suggestion to print in ps and convert to pdf. Surely nobody runs Windows without Acrobat Reader? regards, Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:57:08AM -0500, cecil wrote: cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32 meg ram going to be able to do the job? I'm worried now. Hi Cecil, I have a libretto 110: p1-166 32mb ram, 10gb (up from 2gb). I have X with windowmaker running with mozilla-fire$PICK_ONE. Its not a speed deamon but it works. Sounds like you'll be doing non-gui progamming anyway unless this is some upper level class. most beginning classes in pascal,fortran,c,c++, etc. use stdout, not gui stuff. At most, the program may use a generic gui output method to simulate a console. Maybe you teacher will ok you submitting a text file dump and not the fancy screen shot. -Kev -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MS WORD format (and customizable telnet client)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Shand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I most always run Linux and rarely Windows, but in Windows I run PPP (Trumpet Winsock), Netscape, etc. Trumpet telnet sucks; uwterm is a pretty good telnet, but I'm always looking for a better one. Kermit supports all kinds of network adaptors, why not winsock? The best Winsocok telnet program I have found is SimpTerm. It's very simple but does everything I want but zmodem uploads (is does do z modem downloads over modem). It has 16 and 32 bit versions and is free. It also rarely dies in the way EWAN, TrumpTel and many other windows telnet programs do. I use NetTerm for my Windows terminal stuff. It supports WinSock and dialup. It's got all the features I've ever needed, and seems *very* configurable. -- Paul F. Pearson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fly.hiwaay.net/~ppearson I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody -- Lily Tomlin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WORD format (and customizable telnet client)
Of course, I most always run Linux and rarely Windows, but in Windows I run PPP (Trumpet Winsock), Netscape, etc. Trumpet telnet sucks; uwterm is a pretty good telnet, but I'm always looking for a better one. Kermit supports all kinds of network adaptors, why not winsock? The best Winsocok telnet program I have found is SimpTerm. It's very simple but does everything I want but zmodem uploads (is does do z modem downloads over modem). It has 16 and 32 bit versions and is free. It also rarely dies in the way EWAN, TrumpTel and many other windows telnet programs do. Adam -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WORD format (and customizable telnet client)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Adam Shand wrote: The best Winsocok telnet program I have found is SimpTerm. It's very simple but does everything I want but zmodem uploads (is does do z modem downloads over modem). It has 16 and 32 bit versions and is free. Heard about this client... Those someone if there are a Linux equivalent of this telnet-with-zmodem client? Can be really cool. Thanks. - --- The trick is to communicate bi-directionally in real time and high resolution! - --- Fabien Ninoles aka le Veneur|| Running Debian-Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| Lover of MOO, mountains, http://www-edu.gel.usherb.ca/ninf01 || poetry and Freedom. - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMqg9KFX6fc7jcjhFAQGkagP/Y9jzHOdaB4Nl4y8DYMqsZBCHqz8H6djg HsXqEEAF1mXVUPMdM1a9ncFoEWs08AGKBGRS4N1CI9HuTVd62Qo65GIsJ3LFr0qD rkcT3QCmhbsNoSGH4KljrXBBQ1qYHP+CV8EIrp/hkC0mVirldmrbtoqYS60geqKD 5othqB8EtZY= =zgZ1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Fabien Ninoles wrote: Heard about this client... Those someone if there are a Linux equivalent of this telnet-with-zmodem client? Can be really cool. A Linux telnet-terminal (and serial too) with zmodem? I think 'ecu' does this. // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Paul Christenson wrote: Try MS-KERMIT 3.14, you won't believe you're connecting from a DOS machine.. Looks great. Too bad it says: NOTE: MS-DOS Kermit is not a Winsock client. Why would you want to run it as a Windows app? You're using it as a terminal program, not a telnet client. Of course, I most always run Linux and rarely Windows, but in Windows I run PPP (Trumpet Winsock), Netscape, etc. Trumpet telnet sucks; uwterm is a pretty good telnet, but I'm always looking for a better one. Kermit supports all kinds of network adaptors, why not winsock? ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Paul Seelig wrote: This was the case with the first beta because of a failure on behalf of the developers when they compiled the release. The newer betas are corrected in this regard. So you have to buy your Motif anyway. And apart from that it's still not even worth trying for people with standard hardware. StarOffice needs an incredible amount of resources. Don't even bother trying it unless you have a Pentium with at least 64 Megs of RAM. All else should be a real pain. Sorry, I can't agree with you. At my site, we have several Am586/133 (ASUS 486 boards with the AMD processor), mostly 16MB of ram, and everything NFS-mounted. It's true that the first beta was painfully slow, but it was faster than booting Novell, Windows 3.11 and starting Word 6. Now, with the second beta, it's a lot faster than Winword. Even with 16megs of RAM on a 486. Of course, I haven't tried it on my 386 yet... -- Alexander List, Neue-Welt-Hoehe 52a, A-8042 Graz, Austria, EU phone: +43-316-474737 Home address: Dafens 4, A-6824 Schlins, Austria, EU phone: +43-5524-8560 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/alexlist -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3i mQCNAzKUShwAAAEEAKSeONtZF24pqL5eK3Q3PHJis0dI3uOKMFjOWwiwSyVyaKHp FCCmHCayDabMVgGUnjHxIUZj7Rmlz5RT1GGKMBSK67yFD0mGVrl8eGoH1bBDviGj S+quQ45SY/upp670EOqrxyp6pJk1uR+RjteFepzZ5am55tEMjGWTYnZjEXP1AAUR tEJBbGV4YW5kZXIgTS4gTGlzdCA8YWxleGxpc3RAc2JveC50dS1ncmF6LmFjLmF0 PiA0NDAyMDIwNzc0IDkzMzI1NTSJAJUDBRAylEocZZNidmMRc/UBAVyBA/9l8Qff Iuva0vmzrE4EbVfgonVjY4BKRVcB5QgxC9PTAILu2/aM4NyT8lOEhCjw4x5wzxLJ Z3FWw3kTe9R/r0RKU49SA1pE7Fge+sbdXH/Z7g+SLZ1myMVX3sZaVFDzhCOO0C7I FA4Izn2zQulIxsxcBaqEV5qIUW58cF7+JbJj6A== =SyLK -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WORD format
Hallo, Daniel Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read Microsoft Daniel Word format? This is something I need once a week at least. In fact, it is my only reason for windows booting. So you can imagine how desperately I sought for such a software, but no! I couldn't believe it! Any hint welcome! If you have a licence of winword you may able to use this program with wine. This works for me with some success. At least viewing and saving works. But printing is not possible. Nils -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote: Server. The incredibly ancient VT-100 standard should pass to history long time ago. I would like to use a terminal emulator exactly like between two Linuxes - with comfort of bash, arrow keys, color ls and so on. So, does anybody know a DOS or Windows telnet client with configurable terminal definition in termcap or terminfo format? Try MS-KERMIT 3.14, you won't believe you're connecting from a DOS machine.. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit (if memory serves me well) All The Best, Marco There are people who don't like capitalism, and there are people who don't like PCs, but there's no one who likes the PC who doesn't like Microsoft. - Bill Gates, interviewed by the L.A. Times, 22 nov. 96 - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Marco Mariani wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote: Server. The incredibly ancient VT-100 standard should pass to history long time ago. I would like to use a terminal emulator exactly like between two Linuxes - with comfort of bash, arrow keys, color ls and so on. So, does anybody know a DOS or Windows telnet client with configurable terminal definition in termcap or terminfo format? Try MS-KERMIT 3.14, you won't believe you're connecting from a DOS machine.. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit (if memory serves me well) Looks great. Too bad it says: NOTE: MS-DOS Kermit is not a Winsock client. in the middle of this page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskoverview.html -- ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read Microsoft Word format? Someone emailed me with a MS Word file attached, and thought it would be neat to be able to read it under linux... if not, I use MS Word on my workstation at work.. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jax-inter.net/users/servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read Microsoft Daniel Word format? This is something I need once a week at least. In fact, it is my only reason for windows booting. So you can imagine how desperately I sought for such a software, but no! I couldn't believe it! Any hint welcome! Amities, Jean Orloff + + + + + + + + ++ + Tel:(33)450.09.16.75 Fax:(33)450.09.94.95 http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/ + + + + + + + + + ++ Elisabeth Orloff: Hey Daddy, can we say yes is no? Daddy: ???...Yes... + + + + + + + + ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jean Orloff wrote: Daniel Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read Microsoft Daniel Word format? This is something I need once a week at least. In fact, it is my only reason for windows booting. So you can imagine how desperately I sought for such a software, but no! I couldn't believe it! Any hint welcome! Have a look at http://www.stardivision.com/. They have StarOffice 3.1, a complete office solution for different platforms, in public beta now. Noncommercial use is free AFAIK and the Wordprocessor, StarWriter, can read/write MS-Winword-6.0, _and_ has built in HTML capabilities. You can even surf the Web from the Wordprocessor. Note: I am in no way affiliated with Stardivision. I use it at university as an alternative to booting Windows. Now there's only one thing I miss: A customizable telnet client with remote saving/printing capabilities for the Austrian Press Agency... -- Alexander List, Neue-Welt-Hoehe 52a, A-8042 Graz, Austria, EU phone: +43-316-474737 Home address: Dafens 4, A-6824 Schlins, Austria, EU phone: +43-5524-8560 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/alexlist -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3i mQCNAzKUShwAAAEEAKSeONtZF24pqL5eK3Q3PHJis0dI3uOKMFjOWwiwSyVyaKHp FCCmHCayDabMVgGUnjHxIUZj7Rmlz5RT1GGKMBSK67yFD0mGVrl8eGoH1bBDviGj S+quQ45SY/upp670EOqrxyp6pJk1uR+RjteFepzZ5am55tEMjGWTYnZjEXP1AAUR tEJBbGV4YW5kZXIgTS4gTGlzdCA8YWxleGxpc3RAc2JveC50dS1ncmF6LmFjLmF0 PiA0NDAyMDIwNzc0IDkzMzI1NTSJAJUDBRAylEocZZNidmMRc/UBAVyBA/9l8Qff Iuva0vmzrE4EbVfgonVjY4BKRVcB5QgxC9PTAILu2/aM4NyT8lOEhCjw4x5wzxLJ Z3FWw3kTe9R/r0RKU49SA1pE7Fge+sbdXH/Z7g+SLZ1myMVX3sZaVFDzhCOO0C7I FA4Izn2zQulIxsxcBaqEV5qIUW58cF7+JbJj6A== =SyLK -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WORD format
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jean Orloff wrote:
Daniel Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read
Daniel Microsoft Word format?
This is something I need once a week at least. In fact, it is my only reason
for windows booting. So you can imagine how desperately I sought for such a
software, but no! I couldn't believe it! Any hint welcome!
If all fails and formatting of the document is of no importance then it
might suffice to use strings document.doc document.txt and read it with
your preferred editor. But with inlined images, tables and the more
fancier stuff this will fail. Alternatively you could ask to be given a
PostScript file instead which preserves all formatting and can be viewed
with 'ghostview'. \begin{ignorance} But that's probably too much a
difficulty to ask the average MS-Word user... \end{ignorance}.
P. *8^)
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Re: MS WORD format
My debian is still uninstalled, but has anyone tried Wine (Windows emulator) with Microsoft Word Viewer, available from Microsoft as a free download? Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read Microsoft Word format? // Heikki -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WORD format (and customizable telnet client) (fwd)
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Alexander LIST wrote: Have a look at http://www.stardivision.com/. They have StarOffice 3.1, a complete office solution for different platforms, in public beta now. Noncommercial use is free AFAIK and the Wordprocessor, StarWriter, can read/write MS-Winword-6.0, _and_ has built in HTML capabilities. You can even surf the Web from the Wordprocessor. Unfortunately StarOffice package requires Motif 2.0. Is their any way to deal without it? How about lesstiff. BTW, text file format RTF seems to be quite good and relatively harmless (and loseless) way to realize document exchange between Linux and Windoze zones. Winword has appropriate conventer, on the Linux side in turn there exist such a tool like latex2rtf. It is better than another common format like PostScript which is not human editable. customizable telnet client with remote saving/printing capabilities for the Austrian Press Agency... I'd like to add equally important cabability - configurable terminal compatibility. Only user keeping the console can take full advantage from the TERM environment variable set to linux. All other network users must torture themselves with VT100 compatible telnet clients, what affects very negatively the prestige of my Debian GNU Linux Server. The incredibly ancient VT-100 standard should pass to history long time ago. I would like to use a terminal emulator exactly like between two Linuxes - with comfort of bash, arrow keys, color ls and so on. So, does anybody know a DOS or Windows telnet client with configurable terminal definition in termcap or terminfo format? BTW, recently I tried to make DEC OSF 3.2 a Unix with human face. I compiled gcc, libg++, bash, binutils, color-ls, git and copied termcap from my Debian Linux box wroking as a server in my network. Everything works OK but regarding terminal all I've achieved is possibility of running telnet with TERM=ansi because TERM=linux causes 'Terminal entry too long' message. What else should I exchange, may be DEC's getty? Thanx for reading this, Jerzy Kakol Institute of Microbiology Wroclaw University -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alex == Alexander LIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Does anyone know of a document reader/editor that will read Microsoft Daniel Word format? Alex Have a look at http://www.stardivision.com/. They have StarOffice 3.1, a Alex complete office solution for different platforms, in public beta now. Alex Noncommercial use is free AFAIK and the Wordprocessor, StarWriter, can Alex read/write MS-Winword-6.0, _and_ has built in HTML capabilities. You can Alex even surf the Web from the Wordprocessor. Looks like a great product. However, for the time being, it requires the Motif libXm.so libraries, so this means investing at least 200$. This is a bit too much for what I need. Why don't people use Tcl/Tk rather than Motif? All this double version (with/without Motif) mess is too sad! And I had a scared look at the OSF Motif price list on Metrolink. My first experience with $1,000,000 and $3,000,000 entries... Amities, Jean Orloff + + + + + + + + ++ + Tel:(33)450.09.16.75 Fax:(33)450.09.94.95 http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/ + + + + + + + + + ++ Elisabeth Orloff: Hey Daddy, can we say yes is no? Daddy: ???...Yes... + + + + + + + + ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Vatiainen Heikki wrote: My debian is still uninstalled, but has anyone tried Wine (Windows emulator) with Microsoft Word Viewer, available from Microsoft as a free download? Actually, I just d/led it, and have not had a chance to unarch it... since its a self extracting dos file, or so it seems Gotta go home to do that... Telnet'd in from work. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jax-inter.net/users/servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WORD format (and customizable telnet client) (fwd)
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Alexander LIST wrote: Have a look at http://www.stardivision.com/. They have StarOffice 3.1, a complete office solution for different platforms, in public beta now. Noncommercial use is free AFAIK and the Wordprocessor, StarWriter, can read/write MS-Winword-6.0, _and_ has built in HTML capabilities. You can even surf the Web from the Wordprocessor. Unfortunately StarOffice package requires Motif 2.0. Is their any way to deal without it? Star office includes all the motif you need. Just make link from lbso312.(something) to libxm.so.2 and run ldconfig and tada you have motif. This is all from memory so I can't verify it, but it enabled me to run the star office installation program which required motif. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
