Re: OT: e-mail question
High, On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Rodney Green wrote: Hello! Does anyone know of a mail server package that allows user accounts to be the same as the e-mail address? So, [EMAIL PROTECTED] would both be the e-mail address and the username to download mail. Thanks, Rod erm, sorry if I misunderstand the question, but isn't that the standard? If I log in on the console as 'user' with 'mypass', the default is that someone can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if the mailserver allows it, that is) and when installing a simple pop3 client, it is the same story. What am I missing here? Greetz, Sebastiaan -- NT is the OS of the future. The main engine is the 16-bit Subsystem (also called MS-DOS Subsystem). Above that, there is the windoze 95/98 16-bit Subsystem. Anyone can see that 16+16=32, so windoze NT is a *real* 32-bit system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: e-mail question
Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the accounts are dependent on a system user account there can only be one webmaster account. Of course, an alias can be setup that points [EMAIL PROTECTED] to a different local system user like webmaster2. With some e-mail systems I've seen (Windows based) the full e-mail address is used as the account name instead of a system user account. So, in the client the pop3 user would be setup as [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of just webmaster. Get what I'm saying? :-) Thanks! Rod - Original Message - From: Sebastiaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rodney Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: e-mail question : High, : : On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Rodney Green wrote: : : Hello! Does anyone know of a mail server package that allows user : accounts to be the same as the e-mail address? So, [EMAIL PROTECTED] would : both be the e-mail address and the username to download mail. : : Thanks, Rod : erm, sorry if I misunderstand the question, but isn't that the standard? : : If I log in on the console as 'user' with 'mypass', the default is that : someone can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if the mailserver allows it, : that is) and when installing a simple pop3 client, it is the same story. : : What am I missing here? : : Greetz, : Sebastiaan : : : : : -- : NT is the OS of the future. The main engine is the 16-bit Subsystem : (also called MS-DOS Subsystem). Above that, there is the windoze 95/98 : 16-bit Subsystem. Anyone can see that 16+16=32, so windoze NT is a : *real* 32-bit system. : : : : -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: e-mail question
On Thursday 24 October 2002 07:08, Rodney Green wrote: Hello! Does anyone know of a mail server package that allows user accounts to be the same as the e-mail address? So, [EMAIL PROTECTED] would both be the e-mail address and the username to download mail. Thanks, Rod that's pretty much the way all of them work (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: e-mail question
Rodney Green wrote: Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the accounts are dependent on a system user account there can only be one webmaster account. Of course, an alias can be setup that points [EMAIL PROTECTED] to a different local system user like webmaster2. With some e-mail systems I've seen (Windows based) the full e-mail address is used as the account name instead of a system user account. So, in the client the pop3 user would be setup as [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of just webmaster. Get what I'm saying? :-) You have to remember that there's at least 3 places where that address can apply, and they're all independent systems: POP3 or IMAP authentication (POP3/IMAP server), return or sender address (mail client), and inbound routing (SMTP server, like exim). I say that because I detect a little confusion on that point in your posting. Or maybe you're just being brief. :-) That said, sticking point is probably non-Unix POP3/IMAP authentication, and Cyrus can apparently do this using Kerberos, and Courier can do it with a variety of mechanisms. I'd look at Courier, if it were I. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: e-mail question
Keith, Thanks for the reply. I just checked out Courier's site and it looks like it does what I want. I hadn't heard of it until now. I currently use Postfix as an MTA. Rod - Original Message - From: Keith G. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: Re: OT: e-mail question : Rodney Green wrote: : Example: : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : If the accounts are dependent on a system user account there can only be one : webmaster account. Of course, an alias : can be setup that points [EMAIL PROTECTED] to a different local : system user like webmaster2. With some : e-mail systems I've seen (Windows based) the full e-mail address is used as : the account name instead of a system user : account. So, in the client the pop3 user would be setup as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of just webmaster. Get : what I'm saying? :-) : : You have to remember that there's at least 3 places where that address : can apply, and they're all independent systems: POP3 or IMAP : authentication (POP3/IMAP server), return or sender address (mail : client), and inbound routing (SMTP server, like exim). : : I say that because I detect a little confusion on that point in your : posting. Or maybe you're just being brief. :-) : : That said, sticking point is probably non-Unix POP3/IMAP authentication, : and Cyrus can apparently do this using Kerberos, and Courier can do it : with a variety of mechanisms. : : I'd look at Courier, if it were I. :-) : : : -- : To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question
On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:34:01PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: | | Hi all, | How to reject mail with from like this: at a Debian GNU/Linux | box and Exim? What you mean by from? There are two meanings of it 1) the envelope This is specified in the MAIL FROM: command during the SMTP session 2) the message itself This is specified by the From: header inside the message Email, just like snail mail, has envelopes that can (and many times (legitimately) do) differ from the letter inside the envelope. If the envelope is , then either rejecting or blackholing the message will get you in dsn.rfc-ignorant.org. There are a few MS worms/virii that abuse the RFCs by setting the envelope sender to , and those can be identified by other characteristics and blackholed separately. If you're aware of such messages, try discussing it on the spamassassin lists so that it can be properly identified and trashed. If the message itself has From: that's a different story, and shouldn't occur. Again, though, see if a discussion on sa-talk can't yield some rules for tagging (and trashing) the junk. One feature of exim that I really like is (version 3.x config) : headers_check_syntax = true If a message has syntactically incorrect headers it will be rejected. For example (from my rejectlog) : 2002-06-05 11:36:26 17Fdlp-0007lt-00 H=pony-express.cs.rit.edu [129.21.30.24] F=[EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected after DATA: @ or . expected after Not: failing address in To header is: Not Insured Obviously a spam message (routed through my school address). -D -- Windows, hmmm, does it come with a GUI interface that works or just pretty blue screens? GnuPG key : http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/public_key.gpg pgp7cT4Ax5dua.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
Do you know if maildrop can use qmail's variables? I'd like to avoid
separate filter files for every .qmail-ext I have.
Thanks!
-Paul
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:18:46 -0500
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:00:42 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my
incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to have
mail with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir. I'm
using qmail maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs. How
can I filter my mail using dot-qmail files?
I do this with maildrop and a ~/.mailfilter file like so:
xfilter spamassassin -P
if ( /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ )
{
to $DEFAULT/.Spam/
}
and the following in your ~/.qmail file:
| /usr/bin/maildrop
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Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
Cool! I got it to work! Thanks!!!
-Paul
# cat .qmail
|maildrop .mailfilter Maildir/
# cat .qmail-ext
|maildrop .mailfilter mail/$EXT
# cat .mailfilter
if ( /^X-Spam-Status: Yes/ )
{
to $HOME/mail/SPAM/
}
else
{
to $HOME/$1
}
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:20:08 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you know if maildrop can use qmail's variables? I'd like to avoid
separate filter files for every .qmail-ext I have.
Thanks!
-Paul
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:18:46 -0500
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:00:42 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my
incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to
have mail with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir.
I'm using qmail maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs.
How
can I filter my mail using dot-qmail files?
I do this with maildrop and a ~/.mailfilter file like so:
xfilter spamassassin -P
if ( /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ )
{
to $DEFAULT/.Spam/
}
and the following in your ~/.qmail file:
| /usr/bin/maildrop
--
Jamin W. Collins
--
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Re: Spam mail question
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Spam mail question -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Paulo Henrique Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Spam mail question Hi, I will not reject. I will only send them to /dev/null. :)) What procmail rule is it? TIA, Paulo Henrique Quoting Noah Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 03:44:43PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: sometimes ... ( lots )... more often than not... i get tons of spams from ... which i too would like to bounce/reject OK, but if you reject mail from you're likely to be blacklisted. I certainly won't accept mail from domains that reject bounces! I am definitely not alone in this. I think you'd be better off trying to find a blacklist that isn't too fascist. I have had luck with the rfc-ignorant.org blacklists and bl.spamcop.net. Also, by the time the message gets passed off to procmail, exim will already have replaced the with MAILER-DAEMON. If you want to procmail any mail from MAILER-DAEMON, go ahead, but if I were you, I'd just put it in its own folder rather than /dev/null. You are risking losing something useful if you filter such messages. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: Re: Spam mail question - yuppers hi ya noah yes... it's possible to get dumped into the bl.. ( havent yet ... since i haven't implmented spamfilters ( on some servers - and did get blacklisted by accident... when going to open relay test sites to test one of my servers...fixed the open relay.. resubmitted and was out of there just as quickly... - online open relay tests http://www.paladincorp.com.au/unix/spam/spamlart/ http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/openrelay.gwif.html - am experimenting though .. :-) and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. -- and in my silly preferences.. i do NOT even want the /dev/null to show up ( cluttering ) anywhere in my mail logs - which it currently does for some users that's been nulled -- and another dumb preference... i dont want the spam email to even arrive to be be put into folders ... defeats the purpose to have to go look at it ... usually being a 1MB base64 attachments or html'ized jibberish w/ lots-o-attachments ... - am currently rejecting most all of the html jibberish ( i think the senders dead.letter box is getting bigger ( which is what i like to (indirectly) see ... :-) -- i dont have procmail or any (additional mda ) filters yet.. - just a semi-baked but functional(?) sendmail w/ antispam turned on w/ check_local ... http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/sendmail.gwif.html#Macro - has RBLs turned on and header checking ( and is full of bugz :-) - lots of playing/learningannoying too fun thou... c ya alvin On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 03:44:43PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: sometimes ... ( lots )... more often than not... i get tons of spams from ... which i too would like to bounce/reject OK, but if you reject mail from you're likely to be blacklisted. I certainly won't accept mail from domains that reject bounces! I am definitely not alone in this. I think you'd be better off trying to find a blacklist that isn't too fascist. I have had luck with the rfc-ignorant.org blacklists and bl.spamcop.net. Also, by the time the message gets passed off to procmail, exim will already have replaced the with MAILER-DAEMON. If you want to procmail any mail from MAILER-DAEMON, go ahead, but if I were you, I'd just put it in its own folder rather than /dev/null. You are risking losing something useful if you filter such messages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:02 AM Subject: Re: Spam mail question - yuppers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:00 AM Subject: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question Hey all, I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to have mail with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir. I'm using qmail maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs. How can I filter my mail using dot-qmail files? I know I need to use |command... Thanks! -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS.
WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME?
EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS.
CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT?
THANK YOU.
- Original Message -
From: Jamin W.Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:00:42 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my
incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to have mail
with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir. I'm using qmail
maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs. How can I filter my
mail using dot-qmail files?
I do this with maildrop and a ~/.mailfilter file like so:
xfilter spamassassin -P
if ( /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ )
{
to $DEFAULT/.Spam/
}
and the following in your ~/.qmail file:
| /usr/bin/maildrop
--
Jamin W. Collins
--
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Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Jens Gecius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:33 AM Subject: Re: Spam mail question - yuppers Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. My point was that if you configure your mail server to reject mail From then you are in violation of several RFCs and are likely to be placed on the DSN blacklist at rfc-ignorant.org. Please don't do it. Now, if you're not the postmaster at your domain, and are only blocking it for your own personal mail (e.g. via ~/.procmailrc), then go ahead. But realize that if you do then you'll be filtering out legitimate messages from MAILER-DAEMON in addition to whatever spam you filter. If you're the postmaster at your domain, use postfix and setup some decent header/body filters to reject the mail with an appropriate smtp-response to the sending host. Postfix is also able to pass such bounces (just tested it locally). Furthermore, you're able to filter hosts which do not have a valid hostname in their HELO/EHLO command, which is often not setup correctly by spammers. This is IMHO the only way to let the spammers know that they are unwanted. Although, if I look at my logs, some of them are just ridiculously persistent... Oh, and every once in a while I get caught by the debian-list. I wrote to the listmaster twice or more already, never got an answer. If I had too many bounces, I got kicked off the list. I could understand this, if the number of rejects is high enough. But, because the listserver is doing only one delivery attempt, I feel, the number (which I haven't figured out, yet...) is currently too low. In one case I was kicked off the list, even though there was no recent bounce in my logs, just accepted mails. :-( This, I didn't understand. One more nuisance: if spam hits debian-user and I get trapped by that listserver-soft, I get kicked off any debian-* list! If I would get kicked off the list I bounced, ok, understandable, but _all_ lists?? Anybody else around here to answer those questions? -- Tschoe,http://gecius.de/gpg-key.txt - Fingerprint: Jens 1AAB 67A2 1068 77CA 6B0A 41A4 18D4 A89B 28D0 F097 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Spam mail question - yuppers hi ya noah yes.. thanx for the warnings ... have fun alvin On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. My point was that if you configure your mail server to reject mail From then you are in violation of several RFCs and are likely to be placed on the DSN blacklist at rfc-ignorant.org. Please don't do it. Now, if you're not the postmaster at your domain, and are only blocking it for your own personal mail (e.g. via ~/.procmailrc), then go ahead. But realize that if you do then you'll be filtering out legitimate messages from MAILER-DAEMON in addition to whatever spam you filter. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. MY MAIL IS : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED] IS ONLY FORWARD FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME?
EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS.
CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT?
THANK YOU.
- Original Message -
From: Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
Do you know if maildrop can use qmail's variables? I'd like to avoid
separate filter files for every .qmail-ext I have.
Thanks!
-Paul
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:18:46 -0500
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:00:42 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my
incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to have
mail with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir. I'm
using qmail maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs. How
can I filter my mail using dot-qmail files?
I do this with maildrop and a ~/.mailfilter file like so:
xfilter spamassassin -P
if ( /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ )
{
to $DEFAULT/.Spam/
}
and the following in your ~/.qmail file:
| /usr/bin/maildrop
--
Jamin W. Collins
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Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. MY MAIL IS : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED] IS ONLY FORWARD FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME?
EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS.
CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT?
THANK YOU.
- Original Message -
From: Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
Cool! I got it to work! Thanks!!!
-Paul
# cat .qmail
|maildrop .mailfilter Maildir/
# cat .qmail-ext
|maildrop .mailfilter mail/$EXT
# cat .mailfilter
if ( /^X-Spam-Status: Yes/ )
{
to $HOME/mail/SPAM/
}
else
{
to $HOME/$1
}
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:20:08 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you know if maildrop can use qmail's variables? I'd like to avoid
separate filter files for every .qmail-ext I have.
Thanks!
-Paul
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:18:46 -0500
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:00:42 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my
incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to
have mail with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir.
I'm using qmail maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs.
How
can I filter my mail using dot-qmail files?
I do this with maildrop and a ~/.mailfilter file like so:
xfilter spamassassin -P
if ( /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ )
{
to $DEFAULT/.Spam/
}
and the following in your ~/.qmail file:
| /usr/bin/maildrop
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Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
* prover ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020604 10:56]: I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. (...ad nauseum) I gotta say, I'm disappointed in spamassassin's default config in this case. I blacklisted the moron and the mails keep coming through. It seems he's managed his way into my auto-whitelist, and even blacklist isn't enough to mark it spam? Surely, I can change the scores on my own, but I would have expected that adding someone to the blacklist would, well, blacklist them. It should be something strong enough to overpower the other checks. Anybody else have an opinion on that? Should I file a wish? In the same vein, a question: What's the easiest way to remove this joker from my AWL? good times, Vineet P.S. I've replied to prover in the manner of Wade Richards' reply to Layne, back in the day. Hopefully that'll have gotten rid of him (though probably not; he's already demonstrated his inability to read this: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...so I don't know why I expect he might be able to read and reply to the unsubscription ping from the membership bot.) -- Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume.shtml pgpkz062JXEbr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
* Vineet Kumar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020604 12:53]: In the same vein, a question: What's the easiest way to remove this joker from my AWL? Nevermind. I had spamassassin(1p) open in another xterm as I was writing this email; I should have finished reading it first! -R Remove all email addresses, in the headers and body of the mail message read from STDIN, from the automatic whitelist. good times, Vineet -- Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume.shtml pgpq5b4xGQzP7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
Em Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:10:39 -0700 Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED], conhecido dependente de drogas (Coke e BigMac's), wrote: * prover ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020604 10:56]: I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. (...ad nauseum) [some snipping done] Surely, I can change the scores on my own, but I would have expected that adding someone to the blacklist would, well, blacklist them. It should be something strong enough to overpower the other checks. Anybody else have an opinion on that? Should I file a wish? I am using sylpheed and filtering the sender. While it is not desirable to return the e-mail (can be considered a 'not kind action' by their's ISP), it is being directly trashed. In a speedy link it's ok, but if someone is in a dialup line... :-( -- saudações, irado furioso com tudo Linux User 179402 mais crimes são cometidos em nome das religiões do que em nome do ateísmo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spam mail question
Hi all, How to reject mail with from like this: at a Debian GNU/Linux box and Exim? With procmail? TIA,Paulo Henrique. -- Paulo Henrique B de Oliveira Gerente de Operações - Linux Solutions - http://www.linuxsolutions.com.br O maior conteúdo de Linux em língua portuguesa - OLinux - http://www.olinux.com.br (21) 2526-7262 ramal 31 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question
On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:34:01PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: Hi all, How to reject mail with from like this: at a Debian GNU/Linux box and Exim? With procmail? TIA,Paulo Henrique. Well, I am biased, but you can get a nice procmail script for spam removal that handles that case and many more at http://spastic.sourceforge.net. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question
On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:34:01PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: How to reject mail with from like this: at a Debian GNU/Linux box and Exim? With procmail? Don't do that! It's in violation of an RFC. See http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-dsn.html for more info. By rejecting mail from you are rejecting bounces. That will make people very unhappy as you'll never know if your mail system is broken. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgp1lrvQ8mGDa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spam mail question
hi ya noah... http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-dsn.html for more info. By rejecting very true ... but... sometimes ... ( lots )... more often than not... i get tons of spams from ... which i too would like to bounce/reject - and any email that is outgoing that bounced is usually caught within hours of its bounce .. and hopefully fixed ... - it doesn't need to wait the 5 days woth of retries - most people nowdays expects emails to be sent and received within minutes... or they generate more emails ... did you get it yet adding to the bounces and queues if there was a problem... - bounced messages should go to a real person/postmaster ... anyway... if one can figure ut how to reject From: ... than one could also reject those incoming emails addressed to To: -- just another way of handling occasional bounces vs guranteed spams... - thers a lot more spam than there are bounces nowdays.. just my twist... donno ... i'll go back under the rock... --- and for the original questions lots of procmail filters - - one of um probably will have a From or similar example ?? - http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/filters.gwif.html c ya alvin On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:34:01PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: How to reject mail with from like this: at a Debian GNU/Linux box and Exim? With procmail? Don't do that! It's in violation of an RFC. See http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-dsn.html for more info. By rejecting mail from you are rejecting bounces. That will make people very unhappy as you'll never know if your mail system is broken. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question
On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 03:44:43PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: sometimes ... ( lots )... more often than not... i get tons of spams from ... which i too would like to bounce/reject OK, but if you reject mail from you're likely to be blacklisted. I certainly won't accept mail from domains that reject bounces! I am definitely not alone in this. I think you'd be better off trying to find a blacklist that isn't too fascist. I have had luck with the rfc-ignorant.org blacklists and bl.spamcop.net. Also, by the time the message gets passed off to procmail, exim will already have replaced the with MAILER-DAEMON. If you want to procmail any mail from MAILER-DAEMON, go ahead, but if I were you, I'd just put it in its own folder rather than /dev/null. You are risking losing something useful if you filter such messages. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgpOpJSCEXtxM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spam mail question
Hi, I will not reject. I will only send them to /dev/null. :)) What procmail rule is it? TIA,Paulo Henrique Quoting Noah Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 03:44:43PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: sometimes ... ( lots )... more often than not... i get tons of spams from ... which i too would like to bounce/reject OK, but if you reject mail from you're likely to be blacklisted. I certainly won't accept mail from domains that reject bounces! I am definitely not alone in this. I think you'd be better off trying to find a blacklist that isn't too fascist. I have had luck with the rfc-ignorant.org blacklists and bl.spamcop.net. Also, by the time the message gets passed off to procmail, exim will already have replaced the with MAILER-DAEMON. If you want to procmail any mail from MAILER-DAEMON, go ahead, but if I were you, I'd just put it in its own folder rather than /dev/null. You are risking losing something useful if you filter such messages. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
hi ya noah yes... it's possible to get dumped into the bl.. ( havent yet ... since i haven't implmented spamfilters ( on some servers - and did get blacklisted by accident... when going to open relay test sites to test one of my servers...fixed the open relay.. resubmitted and was out of there just as quickly... - online open relay tests http://www.paladincorp.com.au/unix/spam/spamlart/ http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/openrelay.gwif.html - am experimenting though .. :-) and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. -- and in my silly preferences.. i do NOT even want the /dev/null to show up ( cluttering ) anywhere in my mail logs - which it currently does for some users that's been nulled -- and another dumb preference... i dont want the spam email to even arrive to be be put into folders ... defeats the purpose to have to go look at it ... usually being a 1MB base64 attachments or html'ized jibberish w/ lots-o-attachments ... - am currently rejecting most all of the html jibberish ( i think the senders dead.letter box is getting bigger ( which is what i like to (indirectly) see ... :-) -- i dont have procmail or any (additional mda ) filters yet.. - just a semi-baked but functional(?) sendmail w/ antispam turned on w/ check_local ... http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/sendmail.gwif.html#Macro - has RBLs turned on and header checking ( and is full of bugz :-) - lots of playing/learningannoying too fun thou... c ya alvin On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 03:44:43PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: sometimes ... ( lots )... more often than not... i get tons of spams from ... which i too would like to bounce/reject OK, but if you reject mail from you're likely to be blacklisted. I certainly won't accept mail from domains that reject bounces! I am definitely not alone in this. I think you'd be better off trying to find a blacklist that isn't too fascist. I have had luck with the rfc-ignorant.org blacklists and bl.spamcop.net. Also, by the time the message gets passed off to procmail, exim will already have replaced the with MAILER-DAEMON. If you want to procmail any mail from MAILER-DAEMON, go ahead, but if I were you, I'd just put it in its own folder rather than /dev/null. You are risking losing something useful if you filter such messages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. My point was that if you configure your mail server to reject mail From then you are in violation of several RFCs and are likely to be placed on the DSN blacklist at rfc-ignorant.org. Please don't do it. Now, if you're not the postmaster at your domain, and are only blocking it for your own personal mail (e.g. via ~/.procmailrc), then go ahead. But realize that if you do then you'll be filtering out legitimate messages from MAILER-DAEMON in addition to whatever spam you filter. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgpQDakatu1U0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. My point was that if you configure your mail server to reject mail From then you are in violation of several RFCs and are likely to be placed on the DSN blacklist at rfc-ignorant.org. Please don't do it. Now, if you're not the postmaster at your domain, and are only blocking it for your own personal mail (e.g. via ~/.procmailrc), then go ahead. But realize that if you do then you'll be filtering out legitimate messages from MAILER-DAEMON in addition to whatever spam you filter. If you're the postmaster at your domain, use postfix and setup some decent header/body filters to reject the mail with an appropriate smtp-response to the sending host. Postfix is also able to pass such bounces (just tested it locally). Furthermore, you're able to filter hosts which do not have a valid hostname in their HELO/EHLO command, which is often not setup correctly by spammers. This is IMHO the only way to let the spammers know that they are unwanted. Although, if I look at my logs, some of them are just ridiculously persistent... Oh, and every once in a while I get caught by the debian-list. I wrote to the listmaster twice or more already, never got an answer. If I had too many bounces, I got kicked off the list. I could understand this, if the number of rejects is high enough. But, because the listserver is doing only one delivery attempt, I feel, the number (which I haven't figured out, yet...) is currently too low. In one case I was kicked off the list, even though there was no recent bounce in my logs, just accepted mails. :-( This, I didn't understand. One more nuisance: if spam hits debian-user and I get trapped by that listserver-soft, I get kicked off any debian-* list! If I would get kicked off the list I bounced, ok, understandable, but _all_ lists?? Anybody else around here to answer those questions? -- Tschoe,http://gecius.de/gpg-key.txt - Fingerprint: Jens 1AAB 67A2 1068 77CA 6B0A 41A4 18D4 A89B 28D0 F097 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
Hey all, I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to have mail with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir. I'm using qmail maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs. How can I filter my mail using dot-qmail files? I know I need to use |command... Thanks! -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail filtering / qmail - tangent to spam mail question
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:00:42 -0400
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using qmail/rblsmtpd, qmailscanner, and spamassassin. All my
incoming mail are marked with X-Spam-Status: and I'd like to have mail
with spam status of Yes put into a separate maildir. I'm using qmail
maildirs, and I'd like to continue using maildirs. How can I filter my
mail using dot-qmail files?
I do this with maildrop and a ~/.mailfilter file like so:
xfilter spamassassin -P
if ( /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ )
{
to $DEFAULT/.Spam/
}
and the following in your ~/.qmail file:
| /usr/bin/maildrop
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Re: Spam mail question - yuppers
hi ya noah yes.. thanx for the warnings ... have fun alvin On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: and the From is a nuisance from some spammers is a good thing to reject ( ie ... and is spammer ) - havent figured it out yet .. My point was that if you configure your mail server to reject mail From then you are in violation of several RFCs and are likely to be placed on the DSN blacklist at rfc-ignorant.org. Please don't do it. Now, if you're not the postmaster at your domain, and are only blocking it for your own personal mail (e.g. via ~/.procmailrc), then go ahead. But realize that if you do then you'll be filtering out legitimate messages from MAILER-DAEMON in addition to whatever spam you filter. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*EASY* mail question
Hey, I finally got a decent proxy server that supports POP and SMTP, so now I want to have mail (w/ out going on Yahoo!). Anyway, I have Mozilla set up so that it can send and receive messages through the proxy, but mozilla didn't seem to great, because it's slow, a little buggy, and it takes a whole lot of RAM. I decided to go old-school w/ the console utilities (mutt, fetchmail, etc). Here's the problem: I can receive mail with fetchmail (and read it w/ mutt), but I *can't* send it. I'm not sure how to set up exim through a proxy (everything i tried didn't work). Here's some info about my network: -tux: this is my computer -bowwow: computer with proxy server / modem (DSL) -cmatheson: my user account [EMAIL PROTECTED]: e-mail address I'm supposed to use when setting up clients (worked w/ Mozilla) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: my real email address -I'm supposed to use 'bowwow' as my POP and STMP servers when setting up clients exim doesn't even ask me what my POP and STMP servers are. Please help. Thanks, Cameron Matheson __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
Re: *EASY* mail question
*Matheson Cameron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: exim doesn't even ask me what my POP and STMP servers are. Please help. exim doesn't do pop. fetchmail does pop. Run eximconfig with option (2) Internet site using smarthost or (3) Satellite system to use a smarthost smtp-server, - Rolf
Mail question
Hello! Hello all! =20 I have two computers running Potato and Windows. What should I set for the mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to work on host2 and vice versa?=20 Km Say you have two computers on your network, potato and mswin. Km Are you asking how to send mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and Km vice versa? I am asking what packages should I install on Debian for mail transfer between two debian hosts (send recieve), and how to set them up? It will be great if I could do that for win host to. I want to send recieve mail from mswin using potato as a mail server, as well. This is all only for lan needs, I have no need for transfering mail out of lan. Thanks. ___ _ _ _ __ ___ _ __ _ _ __ __ ) | \_/ | / _ || _ \ | |/ // _ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / _)( |_| )| _) ) ( | _ |( (_| || |_) )| (( (_) ) ( (_ | _ || _) ( )__|_| |_| \__'_||_|\_\ |_|\_\\___/_[ Debian ]__\__)(_| |_)|__) _) ... Aurora musis amica.
Re: Mail question
on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:34:00AM +0100, Marko Simendic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello! Hello all! =20 I have two computers running Potato and Windows. What should I set for the mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to work on host2 and vice versa?=20 Km Say you have two computers on your network, potato and mswin. Km Are you asking how to send mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and Km vice versa? I am asking what packages should I install on Debian for mail transfer between two debian hosts (send recieve), and how to set them up? It will be great if I could do that for win host to. I want to send recieve mail from mswin using potato as a mail server, as well. This is all only for lan needs, I have no need for transfering mail out of lan. One of the GNU/Linux hosts needs to be running an MTA (though both can if you prefer). The host(s) then send mail through the MTA, and retrieve it as well. The topic of email is a rather long and complex one. I run exim, basic configuration is pretty straightforward. Presumably, one of your boxes will be used for communications with the outside world, the other(s) just talk among themselves and use the one central box as their gateway to the world. Though this isn't strictly necessary. Try installing exim on the box(en), roll through the configuration, and try shooting some emails back and forth. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpljaXealfLS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail question
on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:22:00AM +0100, Marko Simendic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello all! I have two computers running Potato and Windows. What should I set for the mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to work on host2 and vice versa? Say you have two computers on your network, potato and mswin. Are you asking how to send mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and vice versa? Unless you have a mail transfer agent (mail server) on your Legacy MS Windows box, no can do. You have to send mail to wherever it is that you're currently retrieving your Legacy MS Windows mail from. If you want to set up your GNU/Linux box as a mailserver (say, POP or IMAP), you can probably get close to what you're looking for. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpohyBJBCyQ4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Mail question
Hello all! I have two computers running Potato and Windows. What should I set for the mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to work on host2 and vice versa? Local mail delivery is working fine. Also, what I need to set if I want to enable recieving and sending mail from Windows to Linux too? Could someone point me to the right FAQs or mans for that issue. Thanks! ___ _ _ _ __ ___ _ __ _ _ __ __ ) | \_/ | / _ || _ \ | |/ // _ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / _)( |_| )| _) ) ( | _ |( (_| || |_) )| (( (_) ) ( (_ | _ || _) ( )__|_| |_| \__'_||_|\_\ |_|\_\\___/_[ Debian ]__\__)(_| |_)|__) _) ... Verba volat scripta manent.
Perhaps strange mail question
I would like to accept mail for many domains and put them in separate spool directories. IE mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would go in /var/mail/foo/user and mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would go in /var/mail/bar/user. Q1: Is this possible? Q2: Is this possible with exim? Q3: How could I authenticate that user existed at bar.domain.org (when user may not have an account on the system) before writing to his/her spool file? I think I'd have to use procmail, but then I'd have no idea how to tell exim to route _all_ mail through procmail except the mail _actually_intended_ for the local machine. TIA! -Dan -- ... the most serious problems in the Internet have been caused by unenvisaged mechanisms triggered by low-probability events; mere human malice would never have taken so devious a course! - RFC 1122 pgpXun35UhIkv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Perhaps strange mail question
On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 11:21:13AM -0400, Dan Brosemer wrote
I would like to accept mail for many domains and put them in
separate spool directories. IE mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
would go in /var/mail/foo/user and mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
would go in /var/mail/bar/user.
Q1: Is this possible?
Yes.
Q2: Is this possible with exim?
It looks like it.
A typical exim.conf contains transports including (e.g.):
localuser:
driver = localuser
transport = local_delivery
Replace or precede this with
foouser:
driver = localuser
transport = foo_delivery
domains = foo.domain.org
baruser:
driver = localuser
transport = bar_delivery
domains = bar.domain.org
And add local transports for them:
foo_delivery:
driver = appendfile
group = mail
mode = 0660
mode_fail_narrower = false
file = /var/mail/foo/${local_part}
bar_delivery:
driver = appendfile
group = mail
mode = 0660
mode_fail_narrower = false
file = /var/mail/bar/${local_part}
You would probably also want to customise the other
directors (system_aliases, userforward) to differentiate
between the different domains.
Q3: How could I authenticate that user existed at
bar.domain.org (when user may not have an account on the
system) before writing to his/her spool file?
Here is where the problems start. Exim has to know the UID
to use to write the mailbox; if they don't have an account on
your system then there's no good way with spool mailboxes
to make it so that the legitimate user can access it (without
an account, how do you authenticate them? without an account,
how can you ensure that they can read the mailbox but others
can't?)
I think I'd have to use procmail, but then I'd have no idea
how to tell exim to route _all_ mail through procmail except
the mail _actually_intended_ for the local machine.
TIA!
-Dan
HTH,
John P.
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mail question
I can't seem to figure this one out. What can i do to get the mail system on one machine to send a mail to the mail server? ok, i know its worded weird so i'll explain whats going on i have 2 main servers at this isp, 1 does mail and secondary Domain name serving, the other does web, primary domain, ftp and all that other stuff. 99% of the user accounts exist on *both* systems. the problem comes when i mail to some of the virtual domains. but it doesnt happen on all of them. what happens is say i mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that same user exists on the main machine(primary dns) but does NOT host mail for somedomain.com, i see the mail log using the local MTA(procmail?) trying to deliver the mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and returns user unknown. when i try the same on my mail server, it works fine. and on my main machine some domains *do* work(do not return user unknown, mail is delievered) ..its really confusing why this is going on. any suggestions on configuration? i want to keep mail systems between the 2 machines seperate, i know it can work since it does work on some domains but not on others, all have identical configuration in the DNS as far as i can tell. example: Jan 7 13:44:45 galactica sendmail[8094]: NAA08094: [EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=User unknown Jan 7 13:44:45 galactica sendmail[8100]: NAA08097: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent the MX records for both are identical (mail.firetrail.com) both use the same primary and secondary DNS ..(yes [EMAIL PROTECTED] replaced what the real user's email addy is) it has to be somewhere in the mail config on the local machine. mail works fine to that domain from any other machine except the primary DNS. ideas ?? nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 1:38pm up 141 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.84, 1.84, 1.74
Re: Newbie - Mail question and other odds and ends
If you're only interested in retrieving your POP mail from your ISP account, and sending mail out to the Internet (i.e., no local delivery to machines on a home network), then the only thing you need to configure is Netscape Mail. In your Netscape preferences set both your incoming and outgoing mail server to your ISP's server. This is essentially the Windows way of doing things-- if you have any problems, talk to your ISP. When you've set up some more computers at home and want to deliver mail locally, you can look into exim and fetchmail. HTH Marc -- Marc Mongeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix Specialist Ban-Koe Systems 9100 W Bloomington Fwy Bloomington, MN 55431-2200 (612)888-0123, x417 | FAX: (612)888-3344 -- It's such a fine line between clever and stupid. -- David St. Hubbins and Nigel Tufnel of Spinal Tap Barry Rueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/29 8:34 AM Wow - linux is not for the faint of heart. After a number iterations of deselect I have both Xwindows and netscape happening. I have to say that dselect seems to be pretty good at keeping track of what has and hasn't been installed, and making sure that it gets fixed the next time around. Thanks to all who helped me out (I think I had a dozen replies!). Today's challenge is mail. I gather that getting and sending my email via dial up is a process that needs a number of components. Initially I think I'll just use Netscape as an email package. (Although I LOVE Pegasus mail on my PC). WVdial is working wonderful, so what bits do I need in the chain to get my mail to and from Netscape? And what programs configure them? Obviously I'd like the mail for a user to reside in their home directory. A couple of quickies as well: I gather that there are configuration files for most of the things that I've installed. Is there a convention for naming these (like ending them in .conf), and where are they likely to be kept? A Debian specific one: when installing from discs one is presented with a nice package that allows you to install various components like mice and CDROMs and such. Is that tool still accessible after you've installed the base system? Thanks folks - last time you saved me several hours. Barry === Barry Rueger Victoria Fenner Bagatelle Communications Management 22 Ashburn Dr, Nepean ON K2E 6N3613-274-4441 Phone http://www.synapse.net/~rueger/ 613-274-4442 Fax -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Newbie - Mail question and other odds and ends
Wow - linux is not for the faint of heart. After a number iterations of deselect I have both Xwindows and netscape happening. I have to say that dselect seems to be pretty good at keeping track of what has and hasn't been installed, and making sure that it gets fixed the next time around. Thanks to all who helped me out (I think I had a dozen replies!). Today's challenge is mail. I gather that getting and sending my email via dial up is a process that needs a number of components. Initially I think I'll just use Netscape as an email package. (Although I LOVE Pegasus mail on my PC). WVdial is working wonderful, so what bits do I need in the chain to get my mail to and from Netscape? And what programs configure them? Obviously I'd like the mail for a user to reside in their home directory. A couple of quickies as well: I gather that there are configuration files for most of the things that I've installed. Is there a convention for naming these (like ending them in .conf), and where are they likely to be kept? A Debian specific one: when installing from discs one is presented with a nice package that allows you to install various components like mice and CDROMs and such. Is that tool still accessible after you've installed the base system? Thanks folks - last time you saved me several hours. Barry === Barry Rueger Victoria Fenner Bagatelle Communications Management 22 Ashburn Dr, Nepean ON K2E 6N3613-274-4441 Phone http://www.synapse.net/~rueger/ 613-274-4442 Fax
Re: Newbie - Mail question and other odds and ends
Barry Rueger wrote: A couple of quickies as well: I gather that there are configuration files for most of the things that I've installed. Is there a convention for naming these (like ending them in .conf), and where are they likely to be kept? Config files are named however the software writer chose; all config files with system-wide effects should be in /etc or its sub-directories. Files that affect a single user's sessions should be in or under his home directory. Files may be named *.conf, *.cfg, *.config, *rc and so on. Config files in your home directory may have names starting with a dot, which means they don't normally get listed by ls; use `ls -A' to see them too. All config files ought to be capable of being changed with a text-editor, but a number of packages provide configuration tools. You should always start by reading the documentation: man to list a manual page, info for GNU info pages, maybe netscape for HTML. To see what a package provides, try `dpkg -L package | less' which will give you a list of all files in a package; read documentation in /usr/doc/package or /usr/share/doc/package. Some packages have their detailed documentation split off into separate documentation packages. Tkman is a nice tool for reading man pages. A Debian specific one: when installing from discs one is presented with a nice package that allows you to install various components like mice and CDROMs and such. Is that tool still accessible after you've installed the base system? I don't think it's available after you've finished your installation. -- Vote against SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. II Timothy 4:2
Re: Newbie - Mail question and other odds and ends
On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 02:53:01PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: A Debian specific one: when installing from discs one is presented with a nice package that allows you to install various components like mice and CDROMs and such. Is that tool still accessible after you've installed the base system? I don't think it's available after you've finished your installation. The modconf program used for installing modules is a package, but I'm not sure if that's what's meant. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp3VVKVsD65d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail-question; Quick One!
On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 09:43:30PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Ok let me get this straight: I use a total of three (four) apps to read my mail: (pppd(pon) connects to my ISP,) fetchmail gets the mail, passes it on to exim, which sends it to the (one and only) user: me, and I finally invoke for example mail to read and edit mail. mail is (basically) an editor. exim takes care of internal mail (inside my machine, between root and user or apps like cron) fetchmail handles the connection out-of-the-box (mailwise) pppd/pon does the actual connecting bit (dialing and passwording and stuff) Please correct a pitiful newbie if he be lead astray from the path of righteousness. That's the way it works if you have a single machine (or small network) with dial-up access to an ISP's mailbox. Here's a more general description; please ignore it if it's confusing: There are two kinds of programs that handle internet mail: - Mail Transport Agents (MTAs) - Mail User Agents (MUAs). In the traditional UNIX world, MUAs are the programs that users run to read or write mail. MTAs are the programs that MUAs rely on to transport mail when you send a message so that it arrives in the addressee's mail box. MTAs usually receive messages either via SMTP on TCP/IP port 25, or by having the MUA run sendmail; most PC mailers use SMTP, as they can't assume that you have a copy of sendmail on your PC. The MTA typically then transmits the mail message via SMTP to an MTA on whatever machine handles mail for the addressee, and that MTA appends the message to the user's system mailbox (usually /var/spool/mail/user). Once it's in the mailbox, it's out of the hands of the MTA. If you're a local user, your mail reader displays (and deletes, etc.) messages directly from your system mailbox; some mailers transfer the contents holus-bolus to some other mailbox in /home/user/mail or /home/user/Mail, some operate on them in place in the system mailbox. If you have a dialup connection to an ISP, there is an extra step involved; your mail is on your ISP's mail server, but you have to transfer it to your own PC. One approach, the default for most PC workstations, is to use a mail program that downloads the mail using POP or IMAP directly into your mailer (XFMail, Netscape, Eudora, etc. do this); this is convenient, but ties you closely to a single mail program. The other approach, which Fetchmail takes, is to download the mail using POP like a regular PC mail reader but then to re-inject it into the local MTA (with appropriate adjustments to the recipient addresses), so that it ends up in /var/spool/mail/user or wherever you configure your MTA to send it. The fetchmail approach is more flexible as you can use all the regular UNIX mail tools that you would normally have available, rather than whatever is provided by your mailer. In the context of this explanation, you are using: Exim - Your local MTA mutt, pine, whatever - Your MUA Fetchmail- A bridge between MUA-land back into MTA-land pppd, pon, etc. - Froth that you use to establish a network connection required by fetchmail. John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh - I - you know - my job is to fear everything. - Bill Gates in Denmark
Mail-question; Quick One!
Ok let me get this straight: I use a total of three (four) apps to read my mail: (pppd(pon) connects to my ISP,) fetchmail gets the mail, passes it on to exim, which sends it to the (one and only) user: me, and I finally invoke for example mail to read and edit mail. mail is (basically) an editor. exim takes care of internal mail (inside my machine, between root and user or apps like cron) fetchmail handles the connection out-of-the-box (mailwise) pppd/pon does the actual connecting bit (dialing and passwording and stuff) Please correct a pitiful newbie if he be lead astray from the path of righteousness. Best Regards Vitux Error is human; complete disaster takes a computer
Re: Mail-question; Quick One!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok let me get this straight: I use a total of three (four) apps to read my mail: (pppd(pon) connects to my ISP,) fetchmail gets the mail, passes it on to exim, which sends it to the (one and only) user: me, and I finally invoke for example mail to read and edit mail. mail is (basically) an editor. exim takes care of internal mail (inside my machine, between root and user or apps like cron) fetchmail handles the connection out-of-the-box (mailwise) pppd/pon does the actual connecting bit (dialing and passwording and stuff) Please correct a pitiful newbie if he be lead astray from the path of righteousness. Best Regards Vitux What you have described is what I understand to be the case. Another option is to use two apps: ppp to establish the dial-up connection, and an email client such as Netscape Messenger to download/read your mail from your ISP. However, Netscape won't be aware of internal mail messages such as that generated by cron. Nor is it as configurable as fetchmail and/or a client such as mutt. You could even use fetchmail to download the messages, exim to send it to you, and then Netscape (as opposed to mail or mutt) to read it. In other words, there are several permutations possible, but I think you've got the general gist of what's going on.
Re: Mail-question; Quick One!
On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 04:08:02PM -0500, Kent West wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok let me get this straight: I use a total of three (four) apps to read my mail: (pppd(pon) connects to my ISP,) fetchmail gets the mail, passes it on to exim, which sends it to the (one and only) user: me, and I finally invoke for example mail to read and edit mail. mail is (basically) an editor. exim takes care of internal mail (inside my machine, between root and user or apps like cron) fetchmail handles the connection out-of-the-box (mailwise) pppd/pon does the actual connecting bit (dialing and passwording and stuff) Please correct a pitiful newbie if he be lead astray from the path of righteousness. Best Regards Vitux What you have described is what I understand to be the case. Another option is to use two apps: ppp to establish the dial-up connection, and an email client such as Netscape Messenger to download/read your mail from your ISP. However, Netscape won't be aware of internal mail messages such as that generated by cron. Nor is it as configurable as fetchmail and/or a client such as mutt. You could even use fetchmail to download the messages, exim to send it to you, and then Netscape (as opposed to mail or mutt) to read it. In other words, there are several permutations possible, but I think you've got the general gist of what's going on. You could dispense with the fetchmail part if you can get your isp to set up an MX record for you, then they'll deliver directly to exim with smtp. Mike [Private mail welcome, but no need to CC: me on list replies.] -- Michael Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Fan -- http://www.debian.org --- CenLA-LUG Founder -- http://www.angelfire.com/la2/cenlalug -- It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster. -- Voltaire
Internet and Mail Question.
Hey All, At home I connect to the net using a freenet with a firewall and all that lovey security stuff that I know nothing about. It's non graphical and uses lynx. I can not receive e-mail there because it a general mass account no individuals. I use web based mail such as netscape.net and coolmail. My questions are these. Is there a way of downloading e-mail from one of these web based email systems by using some type of automate e-mail program such as fetchmail etc? If so what is needed on my part? Also is there a way to make the free net use my copy of linux instead of their? I can access the configuration of the free net link and it does ask for a directory name for a browser but and don't know how to make it look into my box. If this is possible with the firewall and all. Thanks Rod.
Re: Mail Question
Hello, I want to put a couple of lines in ip-up, so that everytime my ppp is on, it will automatically contact my mail server, send out ... 'fetchmail' will do the trick. Others have used it with good success. I'm using it, if you need a hand with setup. Jiri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail Question
Hi all,
I want to put a couple of lines in ip-up, so that everytime my ppp
is on, it will automatically contact my mail server, send out my
username and passwd, retrieve all the mails from the server, and append
them to my local INBOX(.incoming-mail).
Could anyone please teach me how to do this??
Thanks.
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Re: Mail Question
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Shao Ying Zhang wrote: Hi all, I want to put a couple of lines in ip-up, so that everytime my ppp is on, it will automatically contact my mail server, send out my username and passwd, retrieve all the mails from the server, and append them to my local INBOX(.incoming-mail). Could anyone please teach me how to do this?? Though I have not had the need to use it myself, I believe the package 'fetchmail' will do the trick. Others have used it with good success. Cheers, Dennis -- Dennis Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Adminstrator College of Engineering, MSU 353-4844 (phone) 222-5875 (pager)
Help with a Mail Question.
Hi, I have installed the latest fetchmail/smail/procmail from Hamm and I use Pine as my mail reader/composer... When I start pine as a normal user I get a little message at the bottom of the screen telling me that it couldn't open the Mailbox normaly and that it is now READONLY so that I can't delete mail in my inbox... now when I start pine as Root i don't get the message and I can delete mail ... I think this is a permisions problem but I cant figure it out as I don't know what files to check ... this happens with all normal users ... any help/Ideas is very appreiated... -Kevin, kc5vxy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Col, 3:23 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
