mailing-list managers (Re: majordomo gone?)
Hi! I'd be grateful if some people on the list would share their opinions on other mailinglist-managers. I've only used majordomo until now and don't know anything about others. tia, rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
Re: mailing-list managers (Re: majordomo gone?)
Monday, June 19, 2000, 6:27:33 AM, Robert wrote: I'd be grateful if some people on the list would share their opinions on other mailinglist-managers. I've only used majordomo until now and don't know anything about others. IMHO there is no better manager than Listar. In all ways I detest Majordomo Listar is a dream. Security is cookie based. Sounds bad but it is quite nice. You send it an admin message and it sends it back to you with a unique string embedded in the message. You then forward that message back to Listar and it completes the request. Why is this better? Any request is sent to you for completion. Unless someone can intercept your email it is pretty hard to get around that security. Listar (as of the latest version) has a web-based interface for users and, IIRC, the administrators as well. I've not played with it yet from the admin side but the user side lets people do pretty much anything they are allowed to do. It also does all modes in one run. Digests are not a separate list, they are just a flag on each user. This was a major point on Majordomo, the hellish mail loop for digesting to work. Listar has flags on the user. Some the user can set, some he cannot. All are controllable from the email and web interface. No need for a list for that permission and a list for this permission. Listar is also quite fast in its execution. It will sort the userlist so mailers which will do batch sends will have all of the addresses in one area. For example, Listar with Exim on this machine absolutely loves sending to some domains where it pushes 20-30 addresses and then one single body. Sure saves on my limited bandwidth. I've not heard of a list so large that Listar cannot handle it. IIRC one person on the Listar support list has 50,000 or so users on one list. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: mailing-list managers (Re: majordomo gone?)
* Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd be grateful if some people on the list would share their opinions on other mailinglist-managers. Mailman http://www.list.org/ is pretty good, IMHO.
Re: Mailing list managers
On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 11:08:36AM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: With today's announcement that majordomo is going to be dropped from Debian, I was wondering if I could spark up a discussion as to the pros/cons of other Debian-packaged mailing list programs. What other mailing list managers are you using? (I've only used majordomo and mailman.) What are their strengths and weaknesses? How about their requirements (e.g. require Apache or a web-based cgi module)? mailman is decent. Under active development at python.org, and has both e-mail and web interfaces. Somewhat limiting at times, so it's probably an aquired taste, but worth a shot. Numerous LUG's in the area are using it here in Denver, and they all seem relatively happy with it. I used it under Slink for a while and had no problems doing some short-term mailing lists for projects where we needed a group discussion list. www.mailman.org I believe also if I'm not mistaken will get you to their home page. It should be linked off of python.org somewhere too. My biggest complaint was a personal one, I don't know python so I couldn't tweak it! :) Any language that actually cares about whitespace somehow just bothers me a little bit... too much Perl in my blood I guess. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key fingerprint = DCAF 2B9D CC9B 96FA 7A6D AAF4 2D61 77C5 7ECE C1D2 Public Key available upon request, or at wwwkeys.pgp.net and others. pgpB5bflviNZu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list managers
At 01:11 AM 6/5/00 -0600, Nate Duehr wrote: On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 11:08:36AM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: www.mailman.org I believe also if I'm not mistaken will get you to their home page. It should be linked off of python.org somewhere too. www.list.org I think ;)
Mailing list managers
With today's announcement that majordomo is going to be dropped from Debian, I was wondering if I could spark up a discussion as to the pros/cons of other Debian-packaged mailing list programs. What other mailing list managers are you using? (I've only used majordomo and mailman.) What are their strengths and weaknesses? How about their requirements (e.g. require Apache or a web-based cgi module)? Any feedback would be appreciated. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
Re: Mailing list managers
At 11:08 AM 6/4/00 -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: With today's announcement that majordomo is going to be dropped from Debian, I was wondering if I could spark up a discussion as to the pros/cons of other Debian-packaged mailing list programs. What other mailing list managers are you using? (I've only used Debian use smartlist see www.procmail.org But there are some another big class milis manager like listar (Www.listar.org), ezmlm [run only under qmail] (www.ezmlm.org)
Re: Mailing list managers
On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 11:08:36AM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: What other mailing list managers are you using? (I've only used majordomo and mailman.) What are their strengths and weaknesses? How about their requirements (e.g. require Apache or a web-based cgi module)? I'm using Listar. It's very small and fast[1] and can be driven entirely via e-mail. It has commands which are largely compatible with majordomo for regular users (ie, if you send it majordomo commands it will generally DTRT) which is a plus if you're using it to replace majordomo. There's a web interface in the new version, but that's not packaged for Debian yet (the maintainer is also working on debconf support) and I haven't played with it at all. People on the mailing list seem very impressed with it. The main weakness is that people with broken mail clients may find it hard to do some stuff via e-mail - authentication relies on users being able to forward back cleanly cookies of various kinds. I guess the web interface would circumvent that. [1] It's written in C rather than a scripting language. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpsCOHaL5A2E.pgp Description: PGP signature
