Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 01:30:07 -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: I took up on your suggestions and below is the feedback: After typing the command 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 ident' the response was: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0/ Mounting CD-ROM Identifying{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Stored label: Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47 Unmounting CD-ROM... The correct mount point is identified and the Stored label means sources.list should be edited to have deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/ wheezy main put in it. Note that you have to add [, ]/, the distibution name and the suites. Following the above response, I issued another command 'sudo apt-cdrom --no-auto-detect -d /media/usb0 add' and the reply from the OS was as shown below: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0/ Unmounting CD-ROM Waiting for disc.. Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter The USB flash/thumb drive had all the while been in the USB port. All I did was to press 'Enter' and below was the response: Mounting CD-ROM Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files.. Found 2 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 2 translation indexes and 0 signatures This disc is called Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47 Reading Package Indexes.Done Writing new source list Source list entries for this disc are: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/ wheezy contrib main Unmounting CD-ROM Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set The modified command worked. Your sources.list should now contain the entry: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/ wheezy contrib main Seeing that the OS was able to detect that my USB stick contains the Debian installer, I re-issued the command 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add' and pressed 'Enter'. The error message is the same, viz.: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files... Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/' E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or the wrong architecture What shall I do now, please? Is this a bug in the 'apt' package? There is nothing for you to do; you have achieved your objective and updated your sources.list. The bug appears to be fixed in Jessie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/23042014093700.0a2d317c9...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
There is nothing for you to do; you have achieved your objective and updated your sources.list. The bug appears to be fixed in Jessie. OMG, far from it, I have yet to achieve my objective, which is to install essential packages such as xorg, gnome-core or gnome-full off the USB flash/thumb drive without the need to access the internet. Certainly, I did learn something useful from you, such as apt-cdrom, dmesg and the mount point of a USB stick. I have some questions: 1. When will the next Debian version (codename: Jessie) be released? 2. I read on the internet that there is long-term support (LTS) being planned for Wheezy. If such is the case, do you not agree that the bug mentioned in my original post should be fixed in Wheezy too? Moreover between now and the official release date of Jessie is a period of more than 10 months. I understand that Debian 7.5 is being planned for release in early May. I would strongly recommend that Debian developers issue a fix for the bug before then. 3. Who shall I contact to ask Debian developers/maintainers to issue a fix for the bug for Wheezy? Are you one of them? Could you escalate the issue on my behalf? I happened to google for a solution to the bug today and it appears that on AskUbuntu's forum, many users also encounter the same bug. So it isn't just Debian users; Ubuntu users are affected too. I really appreciate your help all this while. P.S.: If you are one of the developers/maintainers, it would be good if you could help us (users) out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140423134653.25...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: There is nothing for you to do; you have achieved your objective and updated your sources.list. The bug appears to be fixed in Jessie. OMG, far from it, I have yet to achieve my objective, which is to install essential packages such as xorg, gnome-core or gnome-full off the USB flash/thumb drive without the need to access the internet. Certainly, I did learn something useful from you, such as apt-cdrom, dmesg and the mount point of a USB stick. [*SNIP*] I'm working towards a similar goal. My restrictions include: 1. not only minimal internet , but absolutely *NO* networking at all 2. not only installing a few specified packages, but allow installing *any* package from the distro 3. automating the install with an appropriate preseed.cfg My project allows using a 64 GB flash drive. See my thread titled Copying complete SET of installation DVDs to a USB stick beginning at https://lists.debian.org/53494721.3090...@cloud85.net for what I've accomplished so far and hints as to how some problems will be addressed. HTH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5357ef0f.9040...@cloud85.net
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 09:46:52 -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: P.S.: If you are one of the developers/maintainers, it would be good if you could help us (users) out. I am not a developer or a maintainer; the only thing I am intent on is to maintain my sanity. You will have to submit any bug report yourself. Whether it is ever fixed in Wheezy is doubtful. But you now have two ways to make progress with what you want to do. '--no-auto-detect' appears to be the key but when the manual says It is necessary to use apt-cdrom to add CDs to the APT system; it cannot be done by hand. we can question the cannot be done by hand assertion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/23042014194922.31c63ddfd...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
- Original Message - From: Richard Owlett Sent: 04/24/14 12:49 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ I'm working towards a similar goal. My restrictions include: 1. not only minimal internet , but absolutely *NO* networking at all 2. not only installing a few specified packages, but allow installing *any* package from the distro 3. automating the install with an appropriate preseed.cfg Well, I hate to be the harbinger of bad news. It appears there is a bug in apt-cdrom that prevents one from installing packages -post-installation- from the USB stick without the need to access the internet. According to people in the know, the bug is said to have been fixed in Debian Jessie. And if the post referenced by http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-8-0-quot-Jessie-quot-Should-Arrive-by-the-End-of-2015-391154.shtml is any indication, the official release date of Debian Jessie is end 2015 (a wait of about 20 months.) If you know the APT package's developers, you could petition them to issue a bug fix before the release of Debian 7.5, which is planned for early May 2014. See my thread titled Copying complete SET of installation DVDs to a USB stick beginning at https://lists.debian.org/53494721.3090...@cloud85.net for what I've accomplished so far and hints as to how some problems will be addressed. With reference to your post at https://lists.debian.org/53494721.3090...@cloud85.net, if you still encounter problems and I think they aren't OS-specific, may I suggest that you make a post at http://unix.stackexchange.com/ There are many experts in that forum. Regards. Theodore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140423191410.25...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
- Original Message - From: Brian Sent: 04/24/14 03:03 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ I am not a developer or a maintainer; the only thing I am intent on is to maintain my sanity. Thanks for the joke. It lightens my day ;) You will have to submit any bug report yourself. Thanks, I will file a bug report. If Richard Owlett reads this post, I hope he will do too. Whether it is ever fixed in Wheezy is doubtful. Oh dear, oh dear! My and Richard's hope is dashed :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140423192202.25...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Mi, 23 apr 14, 09:46:52, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: 1. When will the next Debian version (codename: Jessie) be released? Jessie will be frozen on 5th of November. If everything goes well the release could happen early 2015. 2. I read on the internet that there is long-term support (LTS) being planned for Wheezy. For squeeze, not wheezy. The decision for wheeze will be taken based on how good or bad it worked out with squeeze. 3. Who shall I contact to ask Debian developers/maintainers to issue a fix for the bug for Wheezy? This should be done by or at least in coordination with the package maintainer. I didn't follow the thread very closely, could you please tell me which bug (number) is this? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Mi, 23 apr 14, 15:14:10, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: And if the post referenced by http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-8-0-quot-Jessie-quot-Should-Arrive-by-the-End-of-2015-391154.shtml is any indication, the official release date of Debian Jessie is end 2015 (a wait of about 20 months.) by the end of 2015. Small but significant difference. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: - Original Message - From: Richard Owlett Sent: 04/24/14 12:49 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ I'm working towards a similar goal. My restrictions include: 1. not only minimal internet , but absolutely *NO* networking at all 2. not only installing a few specified packages, but allow installing *any* package from the distro 3. automating the install with an appropriate preseed.cfg Well, I hate to be the harbinger of bad news. It appears there is a bug in apt-cdrom that prevents one from installing packages -post-installation- from the USB stick without the need to access the internet.[SNIP] I don't use apt-cdrom. I loop mount images of the DVDs. It may or may not meet your total needs. I hope to have a detailed write up in about a week. I'm using Squeeze (6.0.5) and Wheezy (7.1) as test beds. Not having fast internet I'm restricted to using only DVD sets available for purchase. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53585b41.9090...@cloud85.net
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
I don't use apt-cdrom. I loop mount images of the DVDs. It may or may not meet your total needs. I hope to have a detailed write up in about a week. I'm using Squeeze (6.0.5) and Wheezy (7.1) as test beds. Best of luck on your endeavor and if you need someone to debug, you can always find experts on Unix and Linux by clicking the following link: http://unix.stackexchange.com/ Please keep me informed of when you finish your project. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140424022554.203...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
Hello Brian You are right. According to /etc/fstab, /dev/sdb1 has a mount point /media/usb0 However I had to mount it first: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 and then followed by the command: sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add And the error message is always the same, viz: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files... Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/' E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or the wrong architecture -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140422194646.244...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 15:46:45 -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: According to /etc/fstab, /dev/sdb1 has a mount point /media/usb0 However I had to mount it first: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 There should be no need to mount it first. Even if you do the manual says the CD-ROM is unmounted before promting for a disc to be inserted. It shouldn't do any harm, though. and then followed by the command: sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add And the error message is always the same, viz: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ It should say 'Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0', then tell you it is unmounting the CD-ROM and ask for a disc to be inserted. Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files... That's ok. Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/' /dev/sr0 is where one of those round, shiny discs would be located. This is not ok. E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or the wrong architecture I won't insult you by asking whether it is a Debian disc for the right architecture. (It is, isn't it :) ) Do 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 ident'. Is the correct mount point used? Is there a value for 'Stored label'? This value is what you have to put in the 'deb cdrom' line in sources.list if the following command doesn't work. sudo apt-cdrom --no-auto-detect -d /media/usb0 add '--no-auto-detect' is undocumented in Wheezy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/23042014003006.22583c1d5...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
It should say 'Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0', then tell you it is unmounting the CD-ROM and ask for a disc to be inserted. No. I confirm that the line indeed states 'Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom' and not './media/usb0' {I reinstalled Debian just to make sure that what I wrote in the original post was correct.) /dev/sr0 is where one of those round, shiny discs would be located. This is not ok. I agree. It's weird. I have not, at any point in time, used a DVD to install Debian. I won't insult you by asking whether it is a Debian disc for the right architecture. (It is, isn't it :) ) As I stated in my original post, the only medium used to install Debian is a USB 2.0 flash/thumb drive. No DVD was used during the installation. Do 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 ident'. Is the correct mount point used? Is there a value for 'Stored label'? This value is what you have to put in the 'deb cdrom' line in sources.list if the following command doesn't work. sudo apt-cdrom --no-auto-detect -d /media/usb0 add '--no-auto-detect' is undocumented in Wheezy. I took up on your suggestions and below is the feedback: After typing the command 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 ident' the response was: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0/ Mounting CD-ROM Identifying{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Stored label: Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47 Unmounting CD-ROM... Following the above response, I issued another command 'sudo apt-cdrom --no-auto-detect -d /media/usb0 add' and the reply from the OS was as shown below: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/usb0/ Unmounting CD-ROM Waiting for disc.. Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter The USB flash/thumb drive had all the while been in the USB port. All I did was to press 'Enter' and below was the response: Mounting CD-ROM Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files.. Found 2 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 2 translation indexes and 0 signatures This disc is called Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47 Reading Package Indexes.Done Writing new source list Source list entries for this disc are: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/ wheezy contrib main Unmounting CD-ROM Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set Seeing that the OS was able to detect that my USB stick contains the Debian installer, I re-issued the command 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add' and pressed 'Enter'. The error message is the same, viz.: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files... Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/' E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or the wrong architecture What shall I do now, please? Is this a bug in the 'apt' package? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140423053007.244...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Sun 20 Apr 2014 at 17:40:53 -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: I have tried the following steps on the advice of some of my colleagues: 1. remove/delete all the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list and reboot the computer Rebooting isn't necessary. 2. dmesg shows that the USB thumb drive is mounted on /dev/sdb1 No. dmesg shows a device sdb was detected. 3. sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 An bad move! Please read about the -d option in 'man apt-cdrom' and alter your /etc/fstab. 4. sudo apt-cdrom -m -d /media/usb0 add If /dev/sdb1 has a mount point /media/usb0 in fstab: sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21042014102408.6f6600b48...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
I installed Debian 7 using a USB flash drive burned from the first DVD ISO of the Debian installation CD/DVD. I did a very minimal install without Debian desktop environment, Print server and Standard system utilities. After installation and a reboot, I was presented with a console with the words Debian GNU/Linux 7 hostname tty1. I supplied the login username and password. After I typed the command sudo apt-get install xorg, an error message popped up stating: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47' in the drive and press Enter I inserted the same USB flash drive into the same slot and after waiting for a few seconds, I pressed Enter. The same error message popped up. I have tried the following steps on the advice of some of my colleagues: 1. remove/delete all the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list and reboot the computer 2. dmesg shows that the USB thumb drive is mounted on /dev/sdb1 3. sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 4. sudo apt-cdrom -m -d /media/usb0 add After doing the above, the following error message appears: [quote] Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files... Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/' E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or the wrong architecture [end quote] I prefer to install Xorg (60MB) and gnome-core (400MB) from the DVD disc. The NGO that I am working with is in a developing country with a very basic internet access infrastructure. Internet access is very patchy and the average download speed is less than 2 Mbps. A solution will be much appreciated. Regards. Theodore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140420214053.216...@gmx.com
Re: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 05:40:53PM -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: I installed Debian 7 using a USB flash drive burned from the first DVD ISO of the Debian installation CD/DVD. I did a very minimal install without Debian desktop environment, Print server and Standard system utilities. After installation and a reboot, I was presented with a console with the words Debian GNU/Linux 7 hostname tty1. I supplied the login username and password. After I typed the command sudo apt-get install xorg, an error message popped up stating: Media changed: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47' in the drive and press Enter I inserted the same USB flash drive into the same slot and after waiting for a few seconds, I pressed Enter. The same error message popped up. I have tried the following steps on the advice of some of my colleagues: 1. remove/delete all the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list and reboot the computer 2. dmesg shows that the USB thumb drive is mounted on /dev/sdb1 3. sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 4. sudo apt-cdrom -m -d /media/usb0 add After doing the above, the following error message appears: [quote] Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ Identifying...{a long string of alphanumeric characters} Scanning disc for index files... Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures W: Failed to mount '/dev/sr0' to '/media/cdrom/' E: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian disc or the wrong architecture [end quote] I prefer to install Xorg (60MB) and gnome-core (400MB) from the DVD disc. The NGO that I am working with is in a developing country with a very basic internet access infrastructure. Internet access is very patchy and the average download speed is less than 2 Mbps. A solution will be much appreciated. Regards. Theodore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140420214053.216...@gmx.com It's just possible that the first line in your /etc/apt/sources.list has an entry which references the CD itself and that, underneath that are the entries which would work if you're on a network. Edit the file to remove the first line / comment it out with an # and try again. I think this is a minor bug in the installer but a new release of Debian CDs is due shortly. All the very best, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140420223517.ga5...@galactic.demon.co.uk