Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
Hey thanks for the replies, I was rather frustrated last night whne i wrote this. I guess the real thing to do is to get more involved in the debian process, i just haven't done much coding of this type. Some more responses included... > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:08:49PM -0700, wex wrote: >> Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks >> ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I will say >> this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer. > > Yup. > >> It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it >> seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was >> an expert mode I did not use. In particular the bootloader process >> was f$cked > > In what way was it broken? There were some errata in beta3, should be > fixed in beta4. Well lilo didn't work at all, sometimes i would choose lilo and it would just go back to the main menu other times it would start installing grub. Although grub appeared like it was working I couln't get it to work and it was crypic asking for locations like /target/disk1/lun/ or something like that which i was able to decript by going to a shell and doing a df. It should give you a choice of mount points that you already created or clean devices like /dev/hda. Then I couldn't get it to work anyways. Realize i didn't once try to load the boot loader to the MBR, so that may have worked. Sometimes in fact it did load it to the mbr when I didn't ask it to. I don't know which version I was using but it was a about 2 1/2 weeks ago. By the way Katipo when I first posted something about this installer a couple weeks ago I was told that the bug report already exists, although I think it was pigeon holing the problem a bit. > >> I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i >> am sure there is an important underlying reason, > > It had become impossible to maintain or significantly extend the old > one, and the old installer was built in such a way as to discourage all > but the most dedicated developers. Well that makes sense. I know debian is really focusing on a system independant installer and that may be a bug force in where this installation development is going, but one thing that I have heard other talk about and which I don't understand is why debian couldn't inherit a code base from an existing successful installer and build on it rather than starting from scratch. Maybe the long term road map they have for the installer is the best choice, but I think using some other existing tools would be a good idea. In my opinion the big problem holding back linux is that the development is so branched. We have 1 million distributions, 22 installers, 10 package managers, etc etc. Having many distributions is great - it provides choice, but I think merging some of the other systems would be a great move for long term linux success. The main reason I use debian is their package management system. Redhat certainly has a much nicer install process, but anyone that has used redhat on a bunch of systems and then tries apt will realize how weak the rpm system is in comparison. And I like how the init system is setup in debian. The point is that if the linux community would collaborate a bit more we would start gaining ground in leaps and bounds instead of grappling for every step. We need to quit re-creating the wheel. > >> but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution >> to install harder. > > We've in fact had many reports saying "this is much easier than the > woody installer". Of course there are bugs, not helped by trying to > track a distribution in development, but they're generally stomped on > pretty quickly. > Yeah I am just refering to the bugs. And you are right lots of people still want the 2.4 kernel in fact i am still using it for servers. But if that is the case why doesn't debian just whip out a quick distribution with an updated 2.4 kernel using woody and focus sarge on 2.6. I would think they could set a supplemental woody up with the 2.4.25 kernel with ease. >> By the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an >> option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this >> point? > > Quite a few people, actually. However, 2.6 support has been added > recently; it's still raw, but sarge should release with a 2.6 option at > least on i386, maybe powerpc as well. > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
wex wrote: Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I will say this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer. It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was an expert mode I did not use. Hello Wex, I'm doing the same thing at the moment. I didn't discover tha various boot options initially, because they were hidden behind a 'help' menu. I think this is a bug. 'Help' should be one of the options listed in a 'Boot Options' menu. There is an installer report which I am filling out and forwarding. Perhaps you should do the same. Debian-boot, the list/group whose main objective is the implementation of this installer, are after all the feedback they can get. I think that relatively inexperienced users like you and I have a part to play in this, because those that are continuously immersed in an environment, quite often don't see the forest for the trees, and are hunting feedback from the perception of those users who more closely resemble the typical enduser, in order that the installer has as wide an application as possible. In particular the bootloader process was f$cked and it caused me some serious annoyances as it either would not work at all Yes, this one caused me problems also. When it came to loading Grub, the screen 'progression meter' started at 40%, and stayed there. I thought that I must have burnt a bad disc, or got a bad iso, so I downloaded again (109MB on 56K), and burnt it to another brand new disc, to eradicate variables. Same thing. On the sixth install, (in the meantime finding 'expert' and trying to bypass the problem by loading Lilo, which failed, throwing me back into the Grub install), I decided to give it some serious time, and went and made a pot of tea. Came back in time to see the screen throw over into the end of the install. But when you have a means of marking progress in a situation, and it starts at 40%, stays there, and then goes into the next phase of the operation without moving, it's useless. You may as well get rid of it, and just put something like,-"Grub is being loaded now. This may take some time. Please wait..." A meter is useless if it doesn't meter. which really becomes a problem when you are working with a laptop that has no floppy to boot from or when it did work it over wrote my windows MBR screwing up my windows(shh don't tell anyone) install. I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i am sure there is an important underlying reason, but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution to install harder. Debian vexes me so...Such a great distribution yet sometimes it can be such a hassle to install. I hope the end result of this revamp will prove to be worthy. Maybe it is just my own lack of knowledge but I just don't believe it should be this hard...Anyways I could go on and onBy the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this point? The 2.4.25 does come with some nice options. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:08:49PM -0700, wex wrote: > Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks > ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I will say > this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer. Yup. > It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it > seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was > an expert mode I did not use. In particular the bootloader process > was f$cked In what way was it broken? There were some errata in beta3, should be fixed in beta4. > I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i > am sure there is an important underlying reason, It had become impossible to maintain or significantly extend the old one, and the old installer was built in such a way as to discourage all but the most dedicated developers. > but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution > to install harder. We've in fact had many reports saying "this is much easier than the woody installer". Of course there are bugs, not helped by trying to track a distribution in development, but they're generally stomped on pretty quickly. > By the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an > option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this > point? Quite a few people, actually. However, 2.6 support has been added recently; it's still raw, but sarge should release with a 2.6 option at least on i386, maybe powerpc as well. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I will say this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer. It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was an expert mode I did not use. In particular the bootloader process was f$cked and it caused me some serious annoyances as it either would not work at all which really becomes a problem when you are working with a laptop that has no floppy to boot from or when it did work it over wrote my windows MBR screwing up my windows(shh don't tell anyone) install. I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i am sure there is an important underlying reason, but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution to install harder. Debian vexes me so...Such a great distribution yet sometimes it can be such a hassle to install. I hope the end result of this revamp will prove to be worthy. Maybe it is just my own lack of knowledge but I just don't believe it should be this hard...Anyways I could go on and onBy the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this point? > wex wrote: > >> Yes I guess you are correct I am just trying to avoid the obvious i >> guess. >> Getting linux on this laptop is a pain in the ass, it is fightin me >> every >> step of the way, if I don't win soon I am either going to have to start >> using windows or give it away. > > You could try the latest beta of the new installer: > > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ > > It installs Sarge, not Woody, and comes with the 2.4.25 kernel. You'll get > newer versions of Gnome, KDE, etc. and probably have better hardware > support. > > Adam > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
wex wrote: > Yes I guess you are correct I am just trying to avoid the obvious i guess. > Getting linux on this laptop is a pain in the ass, it is fightin me every > step of the way, if I don't win soon I am either going to have to start > using windows or give it away. You could try the latest beta of the new installer: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ It installs Sarge, not Woody, and comes with the 2.4.25 kernel. You'll get newer versions of Gnome, KDE, etc. and probably have better hardware support. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
Yes I guess you are correct I am just trying to avoid the obvious i guess. Getting linux on this laptop is a pain in the ass, it is fightin me every step of the way, if I don't win soon I am either going to have to start using windows or give it away. > wex wrote: I am trying ot install debian onto my laptop which has the broadcomm 4400 network card. I went ahead and installed debian but of course I have no network because it is not in the 2.4.18 kernel that comes with it. >>> >>>I had a similar problem with a Broadcom NIC in a server. I couldn't get >>>the >>>official Broadcom driver to work, and ended up downloading and compiling >>>the 2.4.25 kernel from kernel.org (which had the driver). >> > > THanks for the reply. I was hoping there is another solution because > > I am quickly running out of cds to burn > > Unless you have a null modem cable (and want to set that up [1]), or > want to remove the drive and happen to have the adapter kit to use your > laptop drive in your pc (~$10 US), I don't think you have many other > options. > > Surely burning a CD is the easiest option. > > [1] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO/x24.html > > dircha > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
wex wrote: I am trying ot install debian onto my laptop which has the broadcomm 4400 network card. I went ahead and installed debian but of course I have no network because it is not in the 2.4.18 kernel that comes with it. I had a similar problem with a Broadcom NIC in a server. I couldn't get the official Broadcom driver to work, and ended up downloading and compiling the 2.4.25 kernel from kernel.org (which had the driver). > THanks for the reply. I was hoping there is another solution because > I am quickly running out of cds to burn Unless you have a null modem cable (and want to set that up [1]), or want to remove the drive and happen to have the adapter kit to use your laptop drive in your pc (~$10 US), I don't think you have many other options. Surely burning a CD is the easiest option. [1] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO/x24.html dircha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
THanks for the reply. I was hoping there is another solution because I am quickly running out of cds to burn > wex wrote: > >> I am trying ot install debian onto my laptop which has the broadcomm >> 4400 >> network card. I went ahead and installed debian but of course I have no >> network because it is not in the 2.4.18 kernel that comes with it. > > I had a similar problem with a Broadcom NIC in a server. I couldn't get > the > official Broadcom driver to work, and ended up downloading and compiling > the 2.4.25 kernel from kernel.org (which had the driver). > > Adam > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
wex wrote: > I am trying ot install debian onto my laptop which has the broadcomm 4400 > network card. I went ahead and installed debian but of course I have no > network because it is not in the 2.4.18 kernel that comes with it. I had a similar problem with a Broadcom NIC in a server. I couldn't get the official Broadcom driver to work, and ended up downloading and compiling the 2.4.25 kernel from kernel.org (which had the driver). Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
I am trying ot install debian onto my laptop which has the broadcomm 4400 network card. I went ahead and installed debian but of course I have no network because it is not in the 2.4.18 kernel that comes with it.I downloaded the the bcm4400-source package from testing burned to a cd and copied copied it to my machine. Installed the 2.4.18 kernel from the woody disks and compiled the kernel and did a make-kpkg modules. I got tons of errors with this modules stuff like 'pUmDevice' undeclared. So now I am sol, without network i can't upgrade very easily. How can I get network -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
