Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240901)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Don't feed the trolls: it's not necessary to reply to every post. If someone is trolling/misbehaving - don't amplify it by commenting on the list and giving them attention. Do report it to commun...@debian.org Do reference which post it is - user, date, mailing list and topic Off-topic posts === * Please try to stay on topic. * Off-topic posts will happen occasionally as threads wander. Don't reply to them to make them carry on. * If you wish to introduce an off-topic subject that might be of interest to the wider list, start a new thread and preface the title with [OT]. * There is no debian-offtopic mailing list: please don't try to start one. Partisan topics and political arguments === * Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list may become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in t
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240701)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Don't feed the trolls: it's not necessary to reply to every post. If someone is trolling/misbehaving - don't amplify it by commenting on the list and giving them attention. Do report it to commun...@debian.org Do reference which post it is - user, date, mailing list and topic Off-topic posts === * Please try to stay on topic. * Off-topic posts will happen occasionally as threads wander. Don't reply to them to make them carry on. * If you wish to introduce an off-topic subject that might be of interest to the wider list, start a new thread and preface the title with [OT]. * There is no debian-offtopic mailing list: please don't try to start one. Partisan topics and political arguments === * Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list may become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the backg
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240701)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Don't feed the trolls: it's not necessary to reply to every post. If someone is trolling/misbehaving - don't amplify it by commenting on the list and giving them attention. Do report it to commun...@debian.org Do reference which post it is - user, date, mailing list and topic Off-topic posts === * Please try to stay on topic. * Off-topic posts will happen occasionally as threads wander. Don't reply to them to make them carry on. * If you wish to introduce an off-topic subject that might be of interest to the wider list, start a new thread and preface the title with [OT]. * There is no debian-offtopic mailing list: please don't try to start one. Partisan topics and political arguments === * Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list may become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the backg
Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))
On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote: On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:" subject part from response subject. This is true. I (on Thunderbird 115) had to restore the subject line after Thunderbird modified it. Do you know of a plugin or weird setting to make it stop doing that? Web searches were fruitless. -- A mob with torches and pitchforks approaches the castle. "Sire, the peasants are revolting!" "Yeah, disgusting, aren't they?"
Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))
On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > If you change subject > > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email > > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. > > > > For example: New question [WAS Old topic] > > Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:" > subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square brackets > as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers. > No - the square brackets are an example :) Square brackets can be noticed, perhaps, and the effort to type them may be worth the distinctiveness, but what I really wanted was to make the distinction visually clear so that the reader would notice it.. I routinely type ammedments to the subject in square brackets and add WAS in upper case so that this is immediately apparent in a long email thread. Whatever your mailer does is fine but it needs to stand out clearly. Similarly, whenever I reply to something on behalf of the Community Team, I add that in square brackets to show that it is distinct. New topic - brackets or parentheses (WAS: Debian-user Monthly FAQ) might be appropriate here. So that email subjects don't go beyond 72 characters, you may always need to abbreviate the amended subject. [WAS: WAS: WAS (previous subject)] would be too many levels of off-topic discussion - but this discussion is still, just about, on topic. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater (amaca...@debian.org) > Sorry for violating the rule. Curious users may test if their MUAs recognize > "(was: ...)" in the subject and remove old part. > > >
Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))
On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > If you change subject > > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email > > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. > > > > For example: New question [WAS Old topic] > > Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:" > subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square brackets > as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers. My despair and agony increase every time I hear about some new abomination that people's mail user agents perform by default. *face palms, shakes head*
Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))
On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:" subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square brackets as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers. Sorry for violating the rule. Curious users may test if their MUAs recognize "(was: ...)" in the subject and remove old part.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. Off-topic posts === * Please try to stay on topic. * Off-topic posts will happen occasionally as threads wander. Don't reply to them to make them carry on. * If you wish to introduce an off-topic subject that might be of interest to the wider list, start a new thread and preface the title with [OT]. * There is no debian-offtopic mailing list: please don't try to start one. Partisan topics and political arguments === * Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list may become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the background. Nobody is a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you. Please help by providing useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are running. I'm not using Debian but ... * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list [Modified 20240408]
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. Off-topic posts === * Please try to stay on topic. * Off-topic posts will happen occasionally as threads wander. Don't reply to them to make them carry on. * If you wish to introduce an off-topic subject that might be of interest to the wider list, start a new thread and preface the title with [OT]. * There is no debian-offtopic mailing list: please don't try to start one. Partisan topics and political arguments === * Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list may become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the background. Nobody is a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you. Please help by providing useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are running. I'm not using Debian but ... * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list [Modified 20240401]
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. Off-topic posts === * Please try to stay on topic. * Off-topic posts will happen occasionally as threads wander. Don't reply to them to make them carry on. * If you wish to introduce an off-topic subject that might be of interest to the wider list, start a new thread and preface the title with [OT]. * There is no debian-offtopic mailing list: please don't try to start one. Partisan topics and political arguments * Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list may become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the background. Nobody is a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you. Please help by providing useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are running. I'm not using Debian but ... * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. Please note: advice on
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240201)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful to for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut out extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list - do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the background. Nobody is a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you. Please help by providing useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are running. I'm not using Debian but ... * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian will be only our best guess - other distributions may do things very differently. Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith. FAQ topics == * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser This is a public list, archived in many places == * One question that co
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240102)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. A Debian resource - Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum hosted on Debian resources. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct. https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-catalan. * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and to scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut extra text that is not relevant to your point, showing that you have done. so. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community and the people you find on the list become familiar friends BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you do want to post outside the list for any reason - please make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it back to the list and do not just post it on their behalf without checking with them. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only twenty or thirty regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers following the list in the background. Nobody is a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you and see what you see. Please help the rest of us by providing useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are running. Problem solving === * If you hit problems with Debian, please don't blindly follow advice that you find on the Internet. Please DO stop, note what you think you've done and, if possible, take a note of the cirucmstances and commands you have run that have got you to this point. If you have been researching solutions, it may be useful to s
On threads and changing Subject [was: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240101)]
On Tue, Jan 02, 2024 at 03:26:03AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 07:32:18PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new > > thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header, > > the new subject would get buried in the old thread. > > Personally I prefer that. I appreciate being able to break out > sub-threads that seem interesting, instead of having that decision > made for me. I'd tend to leave the (real, In-Reply-To:, References:) thread intact as long as there's still a relation and to actively break the thread when the relation was lost. But of course, change the Subject: appropriately. Here I try an example :) > But in any case, ~30% of the posters of this list (the largest > single constituency) use gmail which I recently learned will break > such emails out to appear to be in a different "conversation" > anyway. Why cater to gmail users and Google's interests? That's on their plate to complain to Google if their mail reader is garbage (I try to be friendly to them by putting a [was: ...] in the Subject: relating to the old one. Either they sort it out manually or they let their fancy AIs do it for them -- and sneak in some targeted advertising if their overlords feel like it). The other 70% are more important to me anyway. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240101)
Hello, On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 07:32:18PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new > thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header, > the new subject would get buried in the old thread. Personally I prefer that. I appreciate being able to break out sub-threads that seem interesting, instead of having that decision made for me. But in any case, ~30% of the posters of this list (the largest single constituency) use gmail which I recently learned will break such emails out to appear to be in a different "conversation" anyway. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240101)
On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 07:32:18PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new > thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header, > the new subject would get buried in the old thread. There's a difference between natural subject drift, or someone hijacking a thread to ask their own question. A judgment call may be needed in some cases where it might be unclear, but most of the time it should be obvious which one's happening.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240101)
The refactoring and headers are an improvement, thank you. On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 22:56:03 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the > subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly > seen. > > For example: New question [WAS Old topic] If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header, the new subject would get buried in the old thread. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20240101)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Guidelines for this list Some guidelines which may help explain how the list should work: Language * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french or debian-user-cat * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. Answering questions and contributing to discussions constructively == * This is a fairly busy mailing list but even so you may have to wait some time for an answer - please be patient. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply simply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. * Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. Editing and answering mailing list posts * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] * It may also be useful to for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread are much easier to read and follow than long threads. * If you are replying to a post, please reply in-line if possible and cut extra text that is not relevant to your point. Private replies and responding to posts off-list * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * We're only human: you may want to respond to someone off-list to make a point (or to wish them Happy Birthday / comment that you haven't seen them for a long time). We're also a community BUT * Posting outside the list can be unhelpful: bad behaviour outside the lists can't easily be dealt with and will be invisible. You may inadvertently leak personal information by posting a private reply back to the list. If you *do* want to post outside the list - make it clear that you have done so at the top of the message. If someone replies to you privately and you think that this should go back to the list - ask them to post it to the list do not just do so on their behalf without checking. I can't see what I want here - help me! === * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Although there are only 20 or 30 regular contributors, there may be a couple of thousand readers in the background. Nobody is a mind reader, nobody can sit beside you. Please help by providing useful details if asked, especially which version of Debian you are running. I'm not using Debian but ... * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian will be only our best guess - other distributions may do things very differently. Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith. FAQ topics == * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser This is a public list, archived in many places == * One question that comes up on al
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20231216)
Could we perchance add something to the FAQ about the inappropriateness of reposting private replies to the list without first confirming with the people involved that doing so is acceptable? -- Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 20231216)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread may be much easier to read than long threads. * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on the email accordingly. * It may also be useful to for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian will be only our best guess - other distributions may do things very differently. Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings: repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified x2 16th December 2023)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread may be much easier to read than long threads. * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on the email accordingly. * It may also be useful for either a thread contributor or an observer to post a summary email from time to time to summarise long threads or to effectively bring a long thread to an end. * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian will be only our best guess - other distributions may do things very differently. Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings: repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 16th December 2023)
Hi, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > * It may also be useful to for someone to post a summary email from time to > time to explain long threads. You did not move the old "to" but rather added a new one during the change from the text in 2023/12/msg00045.html to the new one: > > * It may also be useful to post a summary email from time to time to > > explain long threads. As we are at it, i think the term "for someone" does not add much of information. Do you have in mind future readers of the archive ? Or casual readers who got lost in forth and back ? Or contributors who deviated from the original topic of the thread ? Further: I see a surplus leading blank in the line " and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy." Other lines have only two of those blanks. I see an inner double blank in " Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith." Have a nice day :) Thomas
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 16th December 2023)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. * Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread may be much easier to read than long threads. * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on the email accordingly. * It may also be useful to for someone to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian will be only our best guess - other distributions may do things very differently. Any advice given accordingly may be inaccurate but is given in good faith. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings: repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:47PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:18:13PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines: > > > > > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private > > > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following > > > > > > Have a nice day :) > > > > Thomas > > > > OK, you know how it is when you only notice the mistake *after* you've > posted it ... I'm unsure whether to republish this with an additional > line > > * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes > and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. :-) Thanks you both (& so many others!) for shining steady lights here. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
Hi, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes > and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. Some wisdom cannot be repeated enough. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:18:13PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines: > > > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private > > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > OK, you know how it is when you only notice the mistake *after* you've posted it ... I'm unsure whether to republish this with an additional line * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. With every good wish, as ever, Andy [amaca...@debian.org]
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
Hi, there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines: > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following Have a nice day :) Thomas
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December 2023)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * It is not necessary to answer every post on the mailing list. Be constructive in your responses. It may be that somebody else answers a question before you - if so, you should not reply in order to get the last word in, only reply if you can add useful information. * Clear replies and a short mailing list thread may be much easier to read than long threads. * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * It is helpful to write meaningful subject lines. If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on the email accordingly. * It may also be useful to post a summary email from time to time to explain long threads. * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. Please note: advice on Linux distributions other than Debian may be inaccurate and, strictly, discussions of other distributions are off-topic here. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st November 2023)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * It is often useful to look through the archives to see whether the issue you wish to raise or a similar issue has been raised before by someone else. The top level link to the archives of this list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ organised by year, then month. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (Unmodified August 2023)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (unmodified 1st July)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (unmodified April 1)
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for example, debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists, for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; do not assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list [no October 2022 updates]
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Re: WAS: Re: Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list. Debian as worldwide
> In the same way, if I give my opinion > about German politics / independence for Catalunya - Germans and people in > Spain and Catalunya could say ""Who is this Andy Cater and what does he know > about anything? He should just go away and mind his own business." Very proper example! Thanks ^^^ Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _白衣從軍_ 감사합니다_^))//
WAS: Re: Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list. Debian as worldwide
On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 07:27:47PM +0900, 황병희 wrote: > "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > > > (...thanks...) > > Debian's community is world wide; don't > >assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a > >Debian list. > > Thanks, again i'll keep in mind ^^^ > > Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee from South Korea > > -- > ^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))// > That was intended as just a polite reminder to think about how relevant a comment is as you type it to a large audience. For trivial imaginary examples: consider what if I, Andy Cater, start shouting about UK politics, economics or the British sense of humour on a Debian list - it really shouldn't matter to the rest of the 7B people in the world and I'm being over important if I think it does. In the same way, if I give my opinion about German politics / independence for Catalunya - Germans and people in Spain and Catalunya could say ""Who is this Andy Cater and what does he know about anything? He should just go away and mind his own business." Debian is everywhere on the planet in some form or another and in the International Space Station (I think) so what's important to me isn't locally important in Finland, Uzbekistan or Vanuatu. Sometimes, it's difficult to see that Debian is really worldwide. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater
Re: Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > (...thanks...) > Debian's community is world wide; don't >assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a >Debian list. Thanks, again i'll keep in mind ^^^ Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee from South Korea -- ^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//
Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
an-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list
debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On 2021-10-01 at 12:39, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. A suggestion to make this monthly posting more useful: perhaps consider adding a revision number and/or date? I don't want to miss noticing changes when the FAQ has been updated or revised, but I'm not necessarily going to be in a position to be able to readily notice when that has happened. (This time I was, because I happened to have a copy of last month's posting ready to hand and it's short enough to fit all on one page without scrolling for me at my display resolution, but neither of those is guaranteed to be the case for a lot of people.) Another mailing list of which I was a member, before it shut down this summer after years of operation, had a similar monthly FAQ posting; the posted FAQ included a version number, including I think a revision date. (I'd have to check, but I think it may even have included a "what's new in this version" at the top, if not a per-version changelog. Either of those could be overkill here.) That's certainly not a universal practice, but I found it useful there, enough so that the lack of it has now stood out to me enough here that I am now making this suggestion. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Thu 02 Sep 2021 at 09:46:33 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 08:12:06PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > > > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > > > > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > > > > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other > > > mailing > > > lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french > > > > It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, e.g > > go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or something like > > that ;) > > I'd be quite happy to do (poor) translations into French/Italian and Spanish > for the respective user lists :) Another thing to maintain. > Many of the smaller lists have become > magnets for spam postings, unfortunately - and there's probably a case > for asking the listmasters to discontinue them. The advantages of the link I posted are: . self-maintaining (by the linkmasters), . as that page contains links to each other list's archives, users can form an instant judgement as to their usefulness by clicking on a recent month. Cheers, David.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 08:12:06PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing > > lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french > > It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, e.g > go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or something like > that ;) > > Kind regards, > Andrei > -- > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser I'd be quite happy to do (poor) translations into French/Italian and Spanish for the respective user lists :) Many of the smaller lists have become magnets for spam postings, unfortunately - and there's probably a case for asking the listmasters to discontinue them. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:23:09 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Wed 01 Sep 2021 at 20:12:06 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian > > > users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > > > > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > > > > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be > > > other mailing lists that are language-specific for example > > > debian-user-french > > > > It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, > > e.g go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or > > something like that ;) > > Would a link to https://lists.debian.org/users.html suffice? > I think we can assume that Debian users will be able to recognise > the name of their own language in English. > > Cheers, > David. > Very good -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 0447 667 468
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:12:06 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other > > mailing lists that are language-specific for example > > debian-user-french > > It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, > e.g go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or > something like that ;) > > Kind regards, > Andrei Or supply the link to the list of alternate languages - to save having to check/update the template email every month -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 0447 667 468
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 12:23:09PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 01 Sep 2021 at 20:12:06 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > > > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > > > > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > > > > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other > > > mailing > > > lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french > > > > It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, e.g > > go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or something like > > that ;) > > Would a link to https://lists.debian.org/users.html suffice? > I think we can assume that Debian users will be able to recognise > the name of their own language in English. If they can't, then Andrew's FAQ (written in English) probably isn't going to help them anyway.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Wed 01 Sep 2021 at 20:12:06 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing > > lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french > > It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, e.g > go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or something like > that ;) Would a link to https://lists.debian.org/users.html suffice? I think we can assume that Debian users will be able to recognise the name of their own language in English. Cheers, David.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
On Mi, 01 sep 21, 12:32:19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing > lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french It might be good advertising to also mention other languages here, e.g go through the list of languages in alphabetic order, or something like that ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list
debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a Debian list. * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is of the form: "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Problems? = Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the Debian Community Team . Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
