Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm? -- SOLVED

2014-11-09 Thread Brian
On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 03:27:39 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:15:51 +, Brian wrote:
 
  xdm can do it. Adapting its approach:
  
  Go to Seat configuration in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. Uncomment
  [Seat:0] and after this line put
  
 xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :0 vt07 -nolisten -tcp
  
  Add
  
 [Seat:1]
 xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :1 vt08 -nolisten -tcp
 
 Yes, that worked beautifully.  Thank you.
 And I presume the same thing (but wiith a different config file) would 
 work if I were ever to switch to xdm.

You'll want the Xservers file. Examples are there too.

A chance to correct my typ: '-tcp' should be 'tcp'.


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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 07 nov 14, 15:12:04, Eric Sharkey wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 
  Nowadays (testing/unstable) a simple 'startx' doesn't even have to hunt
  around for an unused display because it will always bring X up on the
  tty it is started from.
 
 A display and a tty aren't quite the same thing.  It still has to
 figure out what display (what you see when you run echo $DISPLAY) to
 use.

I'm quite sure Brian meant tty.
 
 And starting up X on the text tty is really awful in my opinion.  I
 liked it much better when 1-6 was reserved for text and 7-12 for
 graphics.  How do you even see console messages now?

For debugging X the log is usually more useful anyway and this also 
prevents someone getting very easy access your system by just 
Ctrl-Alt-Fx (the console where 'startx' was run) and just Ctrl-C to kill 
the X server.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm? -- SOLVED

2014-11-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:15:51 +, Brian wrote:

 On Thu 06 Nov 2014 at 11:14:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
 On Jo, 06 nov 14, 03:58:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
  
  I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the
  same machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen,
  but with different user ids.  So that when I'm logged in as myself,
  and my friend comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I
  can let him log in as another, independent user, without me having to
  log out first.
  
 This is usually called switch user. A quick web search seems to
 indicate lightdm might be able to support it, but can't help any
 further. As far as I understand gdm+Gnome should be able to do it.
 
 xdm can do it. Adapting its approach:
 
 Go to Seat configuration in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. Uncomment
 [Seat:0] and after this line put
 
xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :0 vt07 -nolisten -tcp
 
 Add
 
[Seat:1]
xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :1 vt08 -nolisten -tcp

Yes, that worked beautifully.  Thank you.
And I presume the same thing (but wiith a different config file) would 
work if I were ever to switch to xdm.

-- hendrik

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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 06 Nov 2014 at 12:49:45 -0500, Eric Sharkey wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  A different method to achieve the same thing would be to use Ctrl-Alt-Fx
  to switch to a console, login and start another X instance with
 
  startx -- :1
 
 You don't even need the -- :1 any more.  startx is now smart enough
 to find an unused display on its own.

Nowadays (testing/unstable) a simple 'startx' doesn't even have to hunt
around for an unused display because it will always bring X up on the
tty it is started from.


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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-07 Thread Eric Sharkey
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 On Thu 06 Nov 2014 at 12:49:45 -0500, Eric Sharkey wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  A different method to achieve the same thing would be to use Ctrl-Alt-Fx
  to switch to a console, login and start another X instance with
 
  startx -- :1

 You don't even need the -- :1 any more.  startx is now smart enough
 to find an unused display on its own.

 Nowadays (testing/unstable) a simple 'startx' doesn't even have to hunt
 around for an unused display because it will always bring X up on the
 tty it is started from.

A display and a tty aren't quite the same thing.  It still has to
figure out what display (what you see when you run echo $DISPLAY) to
use.

And starting up X on the text tty is really awful in my opinion.  I
liked it much better when 1-6 was reserved for text and 7-12 for
graphics.  How do you even see console messages now?

Eric


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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 06 nov 14, 03:58:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 
 I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the same 
 machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen, but with 
 different user ids.  So that when I'm logged in as myself, and my friend 
 comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I can let him log in 
 as another, independent user, without me having to log out first.
 
This is usually called switch user. A quick web search seems to 
indicate lightdm might be able to support it, but can't help any 
further. As far as I understand gdm+Gnome should be able to do it.

A different method to achieve the same thing would be to use Ctrl-Alt-Fx 
to switch to a console, login and start another X instance with

startx -- :1

This has the advantage of being *dm independent.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-06 Thread Brian
On Thu 06 Nov 2014 at 11:14:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Jo, 06 nov 14, 03:58:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
  
  I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the same 
  machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen, but with 
  different user ids.  So that when I'm logged in as myself, and my friend 
  comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I can let him log in 
  as another, independent user, without me having to log out first.
  
 This is usually called switch user. A quick web search seems to 
 indicate lightdm might be able to support it, but can't help any 
 further. As far as I understand gdm+Gnome should be able to do it.

xdm can do it. Adapting its approach:

Go to Seat configuration in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. Uncomment
[Seat:0] and after this line put

   xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :0 vt07 -nolisten -tcp

Add 

   [Seat:1]
   xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :1 vt08 -nolisten -tcp


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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-06 Thread Eric Sharkey
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jo, 06 nov 14, 03:58:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the same
 machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen, but with
 different user ids.  So that when I'm logged in as myself, and my friend
 comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I can let him log in
 as another, independent user, without me having to log out first.

 This is usually called switch user. A quick web search seems to
 indicate lightdm might be able to support it, but can't help any
 further. As far as I understand gdm+Gnome should be able to do it.

 A different method to achieve the same thing would be to use Ctrl-Alt-Fx
 to switch to a console, login and start another X instance with

 startx -- :1

You don't even need the -- :1 any more.  startx is now smart enough
to find an unused display on its own.

Eric


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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:19:52 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:

 On 03/11/14 11:20 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
 I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works.

 About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple
 desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12.  Is there some way to set
 up something like that with lightdm?

 Just being able to dynamically add another desktop would be good,
 actually; they don't have to all be there at boot.

 In case it makes a difference, I'm running squeeze with the traditional
 sysv init.  I use icewm and fvwm as window  managers and do not run
 gnome or kde.  Not that some of those libraries aren't there anyway.

 -- hendrik

 Are you asking for multiple virtual desktops or the ability to log on
 multiple times to the same machine?

I want to be able to log on multiple times, simultaneously, to the same 
machine, with the same physical keyboard and boutse and screen, but with 
different user ids.  So that when I'm logged in as myself, and my friend 
comes by who wants to use the machine for a minute, I can let him log in 
as another, independent user, without me having to log out first.

I hope that's clear.

-- hendrik


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Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-04 Thread Gary Dale

On 03/11/14 11:20 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works.

About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple
desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12.  Is there some way to set
up something like that with lightdm?

Just being able to dynamically add another desktop would be good,
actually; they don't have to all be there at boot.

In case it makes a difference, I'm running squeeze with the traditional
sysv init.  I use icewm and fvwm as window  managers and do not run gnome
or kde.  Not that some of those libraries aren't there anyway.

-- hendrik

Are you asking for multiple virtual desktops or the ability to log on 
multiple times to the same machine?



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Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works.

About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple 
desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12.  Is there some way to set 
up something like that with lightdm?

Just being able to dynamically add another desktop would be good, 
actually; they don't have to all be there at boot.

In case it makes a difference, I'm running squeeze with the traditional 
sysv init.  I use icewm and fvwm as window  managers and do not run gnome 
or kde.  Not that some of those libraries aren't there anyway.

-- hendrik


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