Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of
| this.
|
| 1. What are the changes that you would make to the source code to make
| the browser better?
|
| 2. What features would you add to the browser?
I don't currently need any _new_ features. If only the Linux
version were as usable as the NT version, that would be enough
for me. At least for now :)
Here are some problems that really bother me:
* The bookmark editor is noticeably slower in Linux version.
* The bookmark editor in Linux isn't functionally similar to the
NT version. Particularly, browsing the bookmark list with
keyboard is practically impossible in Linux version because
arrow {up,down} doesn't just move the current position but the
bookmark under the current position too.
The difference is big enough for me to boot to NT when I need
to sort new bookmarks.
* Linux version is a lot slower in some operations when compared
to the NT version. Particularly, opening a new window takes
quite a long time. During this operation also downloads in
other windows temporarlily stop. That is, it would seem that
the Linux version isn't very asynchronous. This is a bad bad
thing. Using POSIX threads might be a good idea perhaps?
A related problem, which isn't actually Netscape's problem but
XFree's problem, is that there's no font antialiasing. Netscape
doesn't look that good in Linux as it does in NT. This is the
problem with other applications too, of course, not just
Netscape.
//Hannu
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Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of | this. | | What are the changes that you would make to the source code to make | the browser better? | | 2. What features would you add to the browser? I'd like the ability to substitute my choice of email and news programs for the netscape versions. -- Jean Pierre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Again Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Alexander Kushnirenko writes: Sorry I made a typo in previous messoge. Sending in again. I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of this. 2. What features would you add to the browser? I'm running Netscape on different computers, and whould be glad to keep bookmark file just on ONE computer, as sometimes it's difficult to syncronise them. Sorry if this feature is already hidden somewhere in Netscape preferences. Worst still, linux netscape (and presumably other unix versions) keep resetting permissions on .netscape/bookmarks.html to 600, which means that I can't put symlink .netscape into ~/public_html and read my bookmarks when I travel. - Jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Again Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worst still, linux netscape (and presumably other unix versions) keep resetting permissions on .netscape/bookmarks.html to 600, which means that I can't put symlink .netscape into ~/public_html and read my bookmarks when I travel. Does ln $HOME/.netscape/bookmarks.html $HOME/public_html/bookmarks.html work? Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Again Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
On 24 Jan 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worst still, linux netscape (and presumably other unix versions) keep resetting permissions on .netscape/bookmarks.html to 600, which means that I can't put symlink .netscape into ~/public_html and read my bookmarks when I travel. Does ln $HOME/.netscape/bookmarks.html $HOME/public_html/bookmarks.html work? Try it with a cronjob that copies the file and resets the permissions. Cheers, Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Again Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Joost Kooij wrote: On 24 Jan 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Worst still, linux netscape (and presumably other unix versions) keep resetting permissions on .netscape/bookmarks.html to 600, which means that I can't put symlink .netscape into ~/public_html and read my bookmarks when I travel. Does ln $HOME/.netscape/bookmarks.html $HOME/public_html/bookmarks.html work? Try it with a cronjob that copies the file and resets the permissions. write a Makefile to do the copy and run that out of cron, so it only copies the bookmarks file when it has changed. #!/usr/bin/make -f SOURCE=$(HOME)/.netscape/bookmarks.html DEST=$(HOME)/public_html/bookmarks.html $(DEST): $(SOURCE) cp -f $(SOURCE) $(DEST) chmod 644 $(DEST) craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
On 22 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig Sanders writes: possibly re-use parts of netscape browser in mnemonic. and vice-versa. I doubt that the license will be compatible with the GPL. They will almost certainly demand an unrestricted license on all changes, and the talk of a special site makes me think that they will forbid unauthorized distribution of derivatives. ideas aren't copyrightable. ideas on how (and how NOT) to do things can be re-used at will. craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
I wrote: I doubt that the license will be compatible with the GPL. They will almost certainly demand an unrestricted license on all changes, and the talk of a special site makes me think that they will forbid unauthorized distribution of derivatives. Craig Sanders writes: ideas aren't copyrightable. ideas on how (and how NOT) to do things can be re-used at will. And your point is? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:42:57 +1059 (EST) Craig Sanders wrote: ideas aren't copyrightable. ideas on how (and how NOT) to do things can be re-used at will. Not quite so. There is something called intelectual property, which may encompass ideas Jonathan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
On 23 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: I doubt that the license will be compatible with the GPL. They will almost certainly demand an unrestricted license on all changes, and the talk of a special site makes me think that they will forbid unauthorized distribution of derivatives. Craig Sanders writes: ideas aren't copyrightable. ideas on how (and how NOT) to do things can be re-used at will. And your point is? the bleeding obvious: mnemonic can derive some benefit from ideas expressed in netscape's source code without having to cut-and-paste any of netscape's code into mnemonic. and vice-versa. in any case, my suspicion is that netscape's license will be close enough to GPL to make most people happy. craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of this. 1. What are the changes that you would make to the source code to make the browser better? the big one is port it to use GTK rather than Motif. but start off by porting it to lesstif because a GTK port is likely to be a long and difficult project. possibly re-use parts of netscape browser in mnemonic. and vice-versa. cut down on code bloat. optimise it for speed. compile-time options so you can build your own netscape as lean or as bloated as you like. recompile for libc6 and shared libs. 2. What features would you add to the browser? number one on my list of desirable features is a filtering module - so that filtering (and on-the-fly regexp based content modification) of web pages is possible in the client. e.g. strip out the annoying javascript that geocities web server adds to the end of user's pages to pop up an advertising window. filter out BLINK tags. filter out javascript which uses the status bar for annoying scrolling messages. fix up the cookies stuff so that you don't have to click no all the time. make it remember the fact that you don't want to ever send cookies to certain sites but do want to send them to others. similar to how lynx handles cookies (No, Yes, Never, Always). Also allow users to inject fake cookies to subvert the ability to track people. maybe embed a perl interpreter as an alternative to javascript. 3. Would a UN*X developer add a feature that is unix specific. Or would he / she add a cross platform feature? yes and yes. craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Craig Sanders writes: possibly re-use parts of netscape browser in mnemonic. and vice-versa. I doubt that the license will be compatible with the GPL. They will almost certainly demand an unrestricted license on all changes, and the talk of a special site makes me think that they will forbid unauthorized distribution of derivatives. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Fw: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
I'd like to see the unrestricted strong encryption enhancement as described at http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Plaza/6333/ I need this feature for online banking. It's the only reason I still boot to Windows. Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Sudhakar Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0 Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 5:53 PM I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of this. 1. What are the changes that you would make to the source code to make the browser better? 2. What features would you add to the browser? 3. Would a UN*X developer add a feature that is unix specific. Or would he / she add a cross platform feature? Thaths PS: #include stddisclaimer.h -- To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition. -- Woody Allen Sudhakar C13n (650) 937-2354 (O) International Websites Engineer (650) 940-1896 (H) http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of this. 2. What features would you add to the browser? I'm running Netscape on different computers, and whould be glad to keep bookmark file just on what computer, as sometimes it's difficult to syncronise them. Sorry if this feature is already hidden somewhere in Netscape preferences. Sasha. Sudhakar C13n (650) 937-2354 (O) International Websites Engineer (650) 940-1896 (H) http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Again Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Sorry I made a typo in previous messoge. Sending in again. I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of this. 2. What features would you add to the browser? I'm running Netscape on different computers, and whould be glad to keep bookmark file just on ONE computer, as sometimes it's difficult to syncronise them. Sorry if this feature is already hidden somewhere in Netscape preferences. Sasha. Sudhakar C13n (650) 937-2354 (O) International Websites Engineer (650) 940-1896 (H) http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Netscape Inc. has decided to release source code for free redistribution and modification for version 5.0, starting with the first beta later this quarter. Check out: http://www.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease558.html?cp=nws01flh1 Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | -- | So don't beg, and don't plead. | | You can't have the heart you make bleed. | |-- The Beautiful South, Love is... | -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Netscape Inc. has decided to release source code for free redistribution and modification for version 5.0, starting with the first beta later this quarter. YES! Did I read that correctly (It's going to be put under GPL)? Now GTK - version! --j -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
Jaakko Niemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YES! Did I read that correctly (It's going to be put under GPL)? Now GTK - version! Not GPL, GPL-like. very large difference! -- Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape releasing source code for 5.0
I am curious to find out what folks in the Debian community think of this. 1. What are the changes that you would make to the source code to make the browser better? 2. What features would you add to the browser? 3. Would a UN*X developer add a feature that is unix specific. Or would he / she add a cross platform feature? Thaths PS: #include stddisclaimer.h -- To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition. -- Woody Allen Sudhakar C13n (650) 937-2354 (O) International Websites Engineer (650) 940-1896 (H) http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
