Re: No-one working on 'su' has stated that they will stop.

2015-09-01 Thread Joel Rees
2015/09/01 1:27 "Jonathan de Boyne Pollard" <
j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com>:
>
> Christian Seiler:
>>
>> Note that _nobody_ working on su, neither upstream nor maintaining it in
distributions, has claimed that they will stop.
>
>
> Indeed.  The implication that su is being replaced has, rather, come from
the technology journalists and web log diarists writing headlines ...
>
> * Paul Carroty's piece referenced from this thread: "... 'su' command
replacement ..."
> * Sam Varghese in ITWire: "Systemd's latest conquest: the 'su' command"
and "It remains to be seen which other functions systemd will seek to take
over. " in the body
> * Softpedia: "systemd 225 Adds 'su' Replacement" with "'machinectl shell'
is the new 'su' replacement in systemd" as the subtitle
> * Lukáš Jelínek in LinuxExpress: "Funkcionalita příkazu 'su' začleněna do
systemd"
> * Petr Krčmář in root.cz: "Do systemd je integrována náhrada za 'su'"
> * Michael Larabel in Phoronix: " The machinectl shell command is meant to
replace su for running privileged sessions. " in the opening
>
> ... and in part from the systemd version 225 release notes:
>
>> Hence, 'machinectl shell' can be used as [a] replacement for 'su' which
spawns the session as a fresh systemd unit.
>
>
> Interestingly, neither the 7-year-old Freedesktop.org pkexec (su, but
using Freedesktop.org's own PolicyKit) nor FreeBSD's "/etc/rc.d/jail
console myjail1" have made such headlines.  (-:
>

I think it was Poettering's criticism of su that makes this more
interesting to the press. Or maybe it's a slow news week.

Whether they took the criticism out of context or not is another question.

--
Joel Rees


Re: No-one working on 'su' has stated that they will stop.

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

Christian Seiler:
Note that _nobody_ working on su, neither upstream nor maintaining it 
in distributions, has claimed that they will stop.


Indeed.  The implication that su is being replaced has, rather, come 
from the technology journalists and web log diarists writing headlines ...


* Paul Carroty's piece referenced from this thread: "... 'su' command 
replacement ..."
* Sam Varghese in ITWire: "Systemd's latest conquest: the 'su' command" 
and "It remains to be seen which other functions systemd will seek to 
take over. " in the body
* Softpedia: "systemd 225 Adds 'su' Replacement" with "'machinectl 
shell' is the new 'su' replacement in systemd" as the subtitle
* Lukáš Jelínek in LinuxExpress: "Funkcionalita příkazu 'su' začleněna 
do systemd"

* Petr Krčmář in root.cz: "Do systemd je integrována náhrada za 'su'"
* Michael Larabel in Phoronix: " The machinectl shell command is meant 
to replace su for running privileged sessions. " in the opening


... and in part from the systemd version 225 release notes:

Hence, 'machinectl shell' can be used as [a] replacement for 'su' 
which spawns the session as a fresh systemd unit.


Interestingly, neither the 7-year-old Freedesktop.org pkexec (su, but 
using Freedesktop.org's own PolicyKit) nor FreeBSD's "/etc/rc.d/jail 
console myjail1" have made such headlines.  (-: