Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On 06/10/2015 09:10 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: If you're building a new system, you might go with Intel at first, and later buy a discrete graphics card (AMD) if you need higher performance. I've had really good feedback from both AMD and Intel when filing bugs and having problems. I'm sure the nouveau are doing their best, but there's just so much you can do without working with the manufacturer. A lot has been said here to help me ensure I don't even look at an Nvidia chipset the next time I build, which I hope to do soon. So this thread has been very useful in that regard; saving me time and others here as well of having to answer to question relating to Nvidia. If I ever ask, please, please, some ban me off here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/557956e9.8030...@gmx.de
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:02:38 +0200 Dan ganc...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Sven Arvidsson s...@whiz.se wrote: On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 04:45 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: OK, for some cases ~it works~, but not ~all~ cases. So, enough with the warm fuzzies, here's actual benchmark comparison. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_nouveau_utopicnum=1 As of October last year, the nvidia supplied driver runs about 6 times faster than Nouveau. I run 3 different 3D environment test server/clients. Imagine that stretched across 4 monitors via 2 video cards and still get acceptable performance, with all of the bells and whistles turned on. Sweet ...and running under Linux. And here is a test run 5 days ago, between Intel, AMD and nVidia using only libre drivers. For a change AMD ran the wheels off of nVidia with Intel slinking in the corner. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=phx-open-11num=1 Last benchmark, comparing video cards with native drivers on Linux. This time nVidia mostly ran the wheels off of AMD. Intel still ain't equal to either by a long shot. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=2 So, in summary, I've always used nvidia as it's the same money as AMD and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia drivers. So, while many will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some point in your life?? I'm all about Open Source. But, I'm not about deliberate trashing of expensive hardware for the cause. Nor do I recommend it. Be ALL that you can be. :) Ric As longs as you don't spend your time staring at benchmarks, the stuff works and it is getting better all the time. Especially when people spend their time actually using and supporting it. I have no trouble believing that we can use free drivers for pretty much anything soon. Part of the problem has been that developers are favouring Nvidia, instead targeting more open standards like OpenCL. Sure, there are a few cases, like dual-GPU, multi-screen GL, that's not supported, and might not be, but those are corner cases. If proprietary Nvidia works for you, and if that is the best choice for the OP, I'm glad it's an option, but we need free drivers, and for most users it's a very good experience. Thanks a lot for your answers. I can not use intel because the provider of our company only proposes AMD or NVIDIA for the workstations. If you use an Intel CPU from recent years, you already have one. Discrete Intel graphics cards do not exist. I do not need a very fancy graphic card, I need something that works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the open source drivers. AMD does work very well with the open source radeon driver, at least in my experience. It has been very stable, except for a few bugs in early 4.x kernels. Make sure you get a card that is well supported. That probably means not buying a model that has only very recently hit the market, but go for something that has been out a while and is known good. If you don't need much 3D acceleration, something as lowly as a HD5450 is still a great, stable card for desktop usage that draws little power compared to many newer cards. Mine runs a bit hot, but that might be because it drives two screens. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpJ7kM7YOyVp.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On 11/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:02:38 +0200 Dan ganc...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Sven Arvidsson s...@whiz.se wrote: On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 04:45 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: OK, for some cases ~it works~, but not ~all~ cases. So, enough with the warm fuzzies, here's actual benchmark comparison. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_nouveau_utopicnum=1 As of October last year, the nvidia supplied driver runs about 6 times faster than Nouveau. I run 3 different 3D environment test server/clients. Imagine that stretched across 4 monitors via 2 video cards and still get acceptable performance, with all of the bells and whistles turned on. Sweet ...and running under Linux. And here is a test run 5 days ago, between Intel, AMD and nVidia using only libre drivers. For a change AMD ran the wheels off of nVidia with Intel slinking in the corner. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=phx-open-11num=1 Last benchmark, comparing video cards with native drivers on Linux. This time nVidia mostly ran the wheels off of AMD. Intel still ain't equal to either by a long shot. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=2 So, in summary, I've always used nvidia as it's the same money as AMD and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia drivers. So, while many will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some point in your life?? I'm all about Open Source. But, I'm not about deliberate trashing of expensive hardware for the cause. Nor do I recommend it. Be ALL that you can be. :) Ric As longs as you don't spend your time staring at benchmarks, the stuff works and it is getting better all the time. Especially when people spend their time actually using and supporting it. I have no trouble believing that we can use free drivers for pretty much anything soon. Part of the problem has been that developers are favouring Nvidia, instead targeting more open standards like OpenCL. Sure, there are a few cases, like dual-GPU, multi-screen GL, that's not supported, and might not be, but those are corner cases. If proprietary Nvidia works for you, and if that is the best choice for the OP, I'm glad it's an option, but we need free drivers, and for most users it's a very good experience. Thanks a lot for your answers. I can not use intel because the provider of our company only proposes AMD or NVIDIA for the workstations. If you use an Intel CPU from recent years, you already have one. Discrete Intel graphics cards do not exist. I do not need a very fancy graphic card, I need something that works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the open source drivers. AMD does work very well with the open source radeon driver, at least in my experience. It has been very stable, except for a few bugs in early 4.x kernels. Make sure you get a card that is well supported. That probably means not buying a model that has only very recently hit the market, but go for something that has been out a while and is known good. If you don't need much 3D acceleration, something as lowly as a HD5450 is still a great, stable card for desktop usage that draws little power compared to many newer cards. Mine runs a bit hot, but that might be because it drives two screens. Petter And meanwhile, after about a year and a half, I still can't get my nvidia thing (GEForce GT750M) working with Debian. After having installed the nvidia manufacturer's driver, it rendered xwindows inoperable. I am beginning to regard nvidia as plague-like. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8OTtvN-SCnKgCdiL7xNgSdXwftyYMF=czoo+7g5yvc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 04:45 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: OK, for some cases ~it works~, but not ~all~ cases. So, enough with the warm fuzzies, here's actual benchmark comparison. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_nouveau_utopicnum=1 As of October last year, the nvidia supplied driver runs about 6 times faster than Nouveau. I run 3 different 3D environment test server/clients. Imagine that stretched across 4 monitors via 2 video cards and still get acceptable performance, with all of the bells and whistles turned on. Sweet ...and running under Linux. And here is a test run 5 days ago, between Intel, AMD and nVidia using only libre drivers. For a change AMD ran the wheels off of nVidia with Intel slinking in the corner. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=phx-open-11num=1 Last benchmark, comparing video cards with native drivers on Linux. This time nVidia mostly ran the wheels off of AMD. Intel still ain't equal to either by a long shot. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=2 So, in summary, I've always used nvidia as it's the same money as AMD and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia drivers. So, while many will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some point in your life?? I'm all about Open Source. But, I'm not about deliberate trashing of expensive hardware for the cause. Nor do I recommend it. Be ALL that you can be. :) Ric As longs as you don't spend your time staring at benchmarks, the stuff works and it is getting better all the time. Especially when people spend their time actually using and supporting it. I have no trouble believing that we can use free drivers for pretty much anything soon. Part of the problem has been that developers are favouring Nvidia, instead targeting more open standards like OpenCL. Sure, there are a few cases, like dual-GPU, multi-screen GL, that's not supported, and might not be, but those are corner cases. If proprietary Nvidia works for you, and if that is the best choice for the OP, I'm glad it's an option, but we need free drivers, and for most users it's a very good experience. -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On 06/10/2015 03:01 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 18:01 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll want the real drivers. If you are just doing email, web browsing, Hunt The Wumpus, and office stuff, then the open source drivers are just fine, unless you get flickering and tearing. That's actually not true. At least with AMD and (the latest Intel) it's very much possible to play most games. In fact, you're likely to get a much, much better experience overall with the free stuff. OK, for some cases ~it works~, but not ~all~ cases. So, enough with the warm fuzzies, here's actual benchmark comparison. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_nouveau_utopicnum=1 As of October last year, the nvidia supplied driver runs about 6 times faster than Nouveau. I run 3 different 3D environment test server/clients. Imagine that stretched across 4 monitors via 2 video cards and still get acceptable performance, with all of the bells and whistles turned on. Sweet ...and running under Linux. And here is a test run 5 days ago, between Intel, AMD and nVidia using only libre drivers. For a change AMD ran the wheels off of nVidia with Intel slinking in the corner. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=phx-open-11num=1 Last benchmark, comparing video cards with native drivers on Linux. This time nVidia mostly ran the wheels off of AMD. Intel still ain't equal to either by a long shot. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=2 So, in summary, I've always used nvidia as it's the same money as AMD and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia drivers. So, while many will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some point in your life?? I'm all about Open Source. But, I'm not about deliberate trashing of expensive hardware for the cause. Nor do I recommend it. Be ALL that you can be. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5577f938.9080...@gmail.com
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 23:28 +0200, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well: As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It depends quite a bit on the specific hardware. But I would not choose Nvidia on principle. They employ the least people to work on free drivers, they release the least documentation, and the latest cards might not work at all with free drivers [1]. For getting the most out of the card, performance, power management, opencl etc. I would look at AMD or Intel. If you're building a new system, you might go with Intel at first, and later buy a discrete graphics card (AMD) if you need higher performance. I've had really good feedback from both AMD and Intel when filing bugs and having problems. I'm sure the nouveau are doing their best, but there's just so much you can do without working with the manufacturer. 1. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=NVIDIA-Unfriendly-OSS-Hardware -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 11:28:59PM +0200, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I was in the same position a short while ago. The problem is... it's not just about Nvidia or AMD -- the exact chipset and your use case matter. I ended up with (on-chip) Intel (it's a desktop), on the theory that there are some X developers working on Intel's money and writing free X drivers. Of course, if you are aiming at high-end gaming or parallel computation on your graphics card, that would not be an option, since the external graphic cards have way more oomph than those on-chip thingies. For day-to-day stuff (browser, video editing, Gimp) it seems perfectly adequate. - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlV33ggACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZg+QCfRHk/hUaAetP/m7D8CbWw7/+e M14An0D/di40bGuU12k43fThpPT6QqOG =V28u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150610064944.ga28...@tuxteam.de
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:38:46 +0900 Man_Without_Clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June, 2015 07:01 AM, Ric Moore wrote: On 06/09/2015 05:28 PM, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well: As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll want the real drivers. If you are just doing email, web browsing, Hunt The Wumpus, and office stuff, then the open source drivers are just fine, unless you get flickering and tearing. What about Intel HD? What's wrong with that? Intel is fine, in many ways, except the fact that they don't make and sell discrete graphics cards. So, unless you buy a system with suitable Intel graphics integrated, they're not an option. If you need more than what your onboard graphics can give you (like more outputs) you are out of luck. If the integrated graphics are enough for you, Intel is generally very good. For gaming, most people recommend nVidia with the proprietary drivers. For other usage it's just a matter of preference. Personally, I prefer AMD with the open-source driver (radeon), but I don't do gaming. I do, however, use multiple screens, and unlike Ric said that combination works wonderfully. The proprietary drivers caused stability issues for me, although that was some time ago. The open-source drivers can also do hardware-accelerated video playback on most recent cards, so unless you need any specific features of the proprietary drivers (like hardware 3D, or support for a brand new card) the open-source drivers are fine. There is some hardware-accelerated 3D in the open-source drivers that is adequate for most usage, but in most cases you will get far better performance in gaming with the proprietary ones. For desktop use, you don't need them IMO. Some users have had problems with installation and upgrades of the proprietary drivers, so the open-source ones are usually the recommended way to go unless needs dictate otherwise. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpZvET521rgV.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 18:01 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll want the real drivers. If you are just doing email, web browsing, Hunt The Wumpus, and office stuff, then the open source drivers are just fine, unless you get flickering and tearing. That's actually not true. At least with AMD and (the latest Intel) it's very much possible to play most games. In fact, you're likely to get a much, much better experience overall with the free stuff. -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/06/2015 4:02 AM, Dan wrote: Thanks a lot for your answers. I can not use intel because the provider of our company only proposes AMD or NVIDIA for the workstations. I do not need a very fancy graphic card, I need something that works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the open source drivers. Intel is built-in to the modern CPUs, that's part of the beauty of it; including plenty of good bang for your buck and lower energy options than the super graphic cards that most people don't really need unless they are doing extreme gaming or other very serious grunt work with the GPU. Also, as I understand it, Nvidia will be requiring ALL code running on it's newer hardware to be signed code -- therefore no free or open source versions will work; you can of course opt for older hardware to hopefully not get caught up with this change. Cheers A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlV4nLcACgkQqBZry7fv4vtpcQEA3w6REXmMLkOX/AhSUY9xkW9a 2ZjT/E5ucnKcG7iRMAcA/Ajn2a3scgWr7i5Otxaid9HZ94b19Z2GMzCq08ihQ5t3 =VAgr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55789cb8.5070...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
Hi, Andrew, If what you say is correct about Nvidia only allowing signed code in future (and I have no doubt that you are correct) I, for one will break the habit of a long time, and cease buying NVIDIA cards. I had looked at their Shield as a tablet, but now... Terence On 10 June 2015 at 21:23, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/06/2015 4:02 AM, Dan wrote: Thanks a lot for your answers. I can not use intel because the provider of our company only proposes AMD or NVIDIA for the workstations. I do not need a very fancy graphic card, I need something that works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the open source drivers. Intel is built-in to the modern CPUs, that's part of the beauty of it; including plenty of good bang for your buck and lower energy options than the super graphic cards that most people don't really need unless they are doing extreme gaming or other very serious grunt work with the GPU. Also, as I understand it, Nvidia will be requiring ALL code running on it's newer hardware to be signed code -- therefore no free or open source versions will work; you can of course opt for older hardware to hopefully not get caught up with this change. Cheers A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlV4nLcACgkQqBZry7fv4vtpcQEA3w6REXmMLkOX/AhSUY9xkW9a 2ZjT/E5ucnKcG7iRMAcA/Ajn2a3scgWr7i5Otxaid9HZ94b19Z2GMzCq08ihQ5t3 =VAgr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55789cb8.5070...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Sven Arvidsson s...@whiz.se wrote: On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 04:45 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: OK, for some cases ~it works~, but not ~all~ cases. So, enough with the warm fuzzies, here's actual benchmark comparison. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_nouveau_utopicnum=1 As of October last year, the nvidia supplied driver runs about 6 times faster than Nouveau. I run 3 different 3D environment test server/clients. Imagine that stretched across 4 monitors via 2 video cards and still get acceptable performance, with all of the bells and whistles turned on. Sweet ...and running under Linux. And here is a test run 5 days ago, between Intel, AMD and nVidia using only libre drivers. For a change AMD ran the wheels off of nVidia with Intel slinking in the corner. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=phx-open-11num=1 Last benchmark, comparing video cards with native drivers on Linux. This time nVidia mostly ran the wheels off of AMD. Intel still ain't equal to either by a long shot. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amdnv-phoronix-11num=2 So, in summary, I've always used nvidia as it's the same money as AMD and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia drivers. So, while many will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some point in your life?? I'm all about Open Source. But, I'm not about deliberate trashing of expensive hardware for the cause. Nor do I recommend it. Be ALL that you can be. :) Ric As longs as you don't spend your time staring at benchmarks, the stuff works and it is getting better all the time. Especially when people spend their time actually using and supporting it. I have no trouble believing that we can use free drivers for pretty much anything soon. Part of the problem has been that developers are favouring Nvidia, instead targeting more open standards like OpenCL. Sure, there are a few cases, like dual-GPU, multi-screen GL, that's not supported, and might not be, but those are corner cases. If proprietary Nvidia works for you, and if that is the best choice for the OP, I'm glad it's an option, but we need free drivers, and for most users it's a very good experience. Thanks a lot for your answers. I can not use intel because the provider of our company only proposes AMD or NVIDIA for the workstations. I do not need a very fancy graphic card, I need something that works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the open source drivers. Best, Dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cak00fojbvylnjhd0ofngj1lhw7ogk-kcpwndyvimhat9lct...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:45:07PM +0100, Terence wrote: Hi, Andrew, If what you say is correct about Nvidia only allowing signed code in future (and I have no doubt that you are correct) I, for one will break the habit of a long time, and cease buying NVIDIA cards. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTc5ODA - From a purely technical POV, those things even make (some) sense, but when vendors forget to give the user mastery over the keys, things are ugly. - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlV4ptAACgkQBcgs9XrR2kY+4QCfQZwqpA71KlGWkE9PzRkEIqAS /f0Anjm4gSec1mJz7xm4bCSyZc+fcIH+ =TbWy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150610210624.gb19...@tuxteam.de
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On 06/09/2015 05:28 PM, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well: As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll want the real drivers. If you are just doing email, web browsing, Hunt The Wumpus, and office stuff, then the open source drivers are just fine, unless you get flickering and tearing. -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55776228.7050...@gmail.com
Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well: As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? Thanks, Dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAK00fO+FeM1HC14QrqgGTfr_tZvs3rZ5h=94twsr8w_eden...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers
On Wednesday, 10 June, 2015 07:01 AM, Ric Moore wrote: On 06/09/2015 05:28 PM, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well: As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll want the real drivers. If you are just doing email, web browsing, Hunt The Wumpus, and office stuff, then the open source drivers are just fine, unless you get flickering and tearing. What about Intel HD? What's wrong with that? M.W.C. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55778716.9080...@gmail.com
