Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Anssi Saari]

 writes:

> It's fascinating how differently brains seem to be wired up. Awesome's
> idea convinced me at first sight. So after my DE excursion (Gnome, then
> XFCE, and deciding that no, I don't want anyone mounting my USB sticks
> for me or limiting what I can do with my keyboard) I tried Awesome for
> a while. I never got the hang of it.

Well, it wasn't a straight transition for me either. I tried at least
dwm before Awesome and I'm fairly sure one or two other tiling
WMs. Awesome clicked while the others felt more DIY than I like. I think
I understood the idea of being able to tag apps and in that way easily
select what apps are visible when I choose a tag. That wasn't easy to
setup though so it came later.

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[ellanios82]

On 8/6/21 11:18 AM, Joe wrote:

You must admit that there's a lot less wear and tear on human bodies than in 
war, or even in sport



 - wear & tear : hectic weather :





..

 regards

.

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Joe]

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 09:58:42 +0200
 wrote:


> 
> All those "wars" in the hope that The One Right Way "wins" are tragic
> wastes of time, human energy and goodwill. Perhaps they stem from
> former times, of big armies or worker cohorts. I don't know.
> 

You must admit that there's a lot less wear and tear on human bodies
than in war, or even in sport. 

Maybe politicians should Learn To Code...

-- 
Joe

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[tomas]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 10:36:23AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Charlie  writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
> >     OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
> >
> >> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
> >
> > +1
> 
> :) Awesome Window Manager here, with systemd. I used to use fvwm for
> quite some time but fiddling with windows felt like work so after a few
> tries went with Awesome which is a tiling window manager and mostly
> decides what size windows should be.

It's fascinating how differently brains seem to be wired up. Awesome's
idea convinced me at first sight. So after my DE excursion (Gnome, then
XFCE, and deciding that no, I don't want anyone mounting my USB sticks
for me or limiting what I can do with my keyboard) I tried Awesome for
a while. I never got the hang of it.

Then I (re)discovered Fvwm.

I'm an old guy and have seen lots of things. By now, I'm convinced that
brains are "wired" in quite diverse ways [1], and that things like work
environments (programming languages being part of a work environment)
should be equally diverse.

All those "wars" in the hope that The One Right Way "wins" are tragic
wastes of time, human energy and goodwill. Perhaps they stem from former
times, of big armies or worker cohorts. I don't know.

Cheers

[1] Actually, my "hunch" (I don't dare call it a theory) is a bit
   more complex, but for a nutshell, "wired" is good enough.

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Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Anssi Saari]

Charlie  writes:

>   On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
>   OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
>
>> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
>
> +1

:) Awesome Window Manager here, with systemd. I used to use fvwm for
quite some time but fiddling with windows felt like work so after a few
tries went with Awesome which is a tiling window manager and mostly
decides what size windows should be.

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Charlie]

On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
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> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.

+1

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Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-05 8:44 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:49:50PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> FWIW: my laptop runs wth SysV init, no Gnome (actually no desktop
>> environment), but with X and a window manager (Fvwm). It's not
>> always "obvious", but it is definitely doable. Debian's happy.
> 
> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
> 
> There are lots of choices.  This is what makes Debian the "universal
> operating system".
> 
I believe this is the power of Debian.
Got short on memory, use only a windows manager or even no GUI at all.
Want something more similar to Windows, use KDE or another complete
desktop environment.

Run all of these for different use (choosing in the display manager, GDM
or other).

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Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:49:50PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> FWIW: my laptop runs wth SysV init, no Gnome (actually no desktop
> environment), but with X and a window manager (Fvwm). It's not
> always "obvious", but it is definitely doable. Debian's happy.

And I'm using fvwm with systemd.

There are lots of choices.  This is what makes Debian the "universal
operating system".

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 06:10:01AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-05 4:06 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > Steve.
> > At least Debian works better in this old Mac best of all else I've
> > tried. Debian is very instructive, which in itself is an argument to use
> > it for a newbie in IT & Linux.
> > BR,
> > Gunnar.
> > PS.
> > And level of patience, respect & even humility is a bit higher here than
> > the smaller, also quick response, helpsite I used in another Linux
> > distro. That bit is necessary for me to keep focus.
> > DS.
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt,  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Gunnar,
> > 
> > Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> > surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> > without a lot of hoop-jumping.
> > 
> Total false statement and non-sense.
> 
> There's many and many more Debian server running without Gnome. Some of
> them don't even have a video card connected to a monitor.

FWIW: my laptop runs wth SysV init, no Gnome (actually no desktop
environment), but with X and a window manager (Fvwm). It's not
always "obvious", but it is definitely doable. Debian's happy.

Cheers
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[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-05 4:06 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Steve.
> At least Debian works better in this old Mac best of all else I've
> tried. Debian is very instructive, which in itself is an argument to use
> it for a newbie in IT & Linux.
> BR,
> Gunnar.
> PS.
> And level of patience, respect & even humility is a bit higher here than
> the smaller, also quick response, helpsite I used in another Linux
> distro. That bit is necessary for me to keep focus.
> DS.
> 
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt,  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Gunnar,
> 
> Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> without a lot of hoop-jumping.
> 
Total false statement and non-sense.

There's many and many more Debian server running without Gnome. Some of
them don't even have a video card connected to a monitor.

You can choose during installation of Debian to use XFCE as desktop
manager without installing Gnome.

There's even a Debian live disk (DVD/USB stick) that runs XFCE, you can
use this one to try out and install from it after.

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.10.0-amd64-xfce.iso

And even better

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.10.0-amd64-standard.iso

The last one is without any type of desktop manager at all.

> You might want to try Devuan, which is basically Debian without
> systemd, and then use a window manager or desktop environment that is
> not Gnome. I think Devuan's default is XFCE.

> 
> Steve Litt
> 
> 
> 
> Gunnar Gervin said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:11:49 +0300
> 
> >I forgot to tell:
> >The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
> >wrong way in root in Terminal;
> ># apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> >
> >Please advice how tide up again.
> >Gunnar
> 

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Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Gunnar Gervin]

Steve.
At least Debian works better in this old Mac best of all else I've tried.
Debian is very instructive, which in itself is an argument to use it for a
newbie in IT & Linux.
BR,
Gunnar.
PS.
And level of patience, respect & even humility is a bit higher here than
the smaller, also quick response, helpsite I used in another Linux distro.
That bit is necessary for me to keep focus.
DS.

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt,  wrote:

> Hi Gunnar,
>
> Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> without a lot of hoop-jumping.
>
> You might want to try Devuan, which is basically Debian without
> systemd, and then use a window manager or desktop environment that is
> not Gnome. I think Devuan's default is XFCE.
>
> Steve Litt
>
>
>
> Gunnar Gervin said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:11:49 +0300
>
> >I forgot to tell:
> >The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
> >wrong way in root in Terminal;
> ># apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> >
> >Please advice how tide up again.
> >Gunnar
>

Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

[Gunnar Gervin]

Steve,
Thx for the tip.
I'll test Devuan a bit later;
so far it looks all doable in Debian i386 Xfce i686 pae chosen (under
"Advanced" in startup) with some Gnome packages added. Cos I must work,
too, with what I have now.
I am grateful a 14 year old Mac can work as good as this does; looking
good, & solvable issues.
BR,
Gunnar

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt,  wrote:

> Hi Gunnar,
>
> Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> without a lot of hoop-jumping.
>
> You might want to try Devuan, which is basically Debian without
> systemd, and then use a window manager or desktop environment that is
> not Gnome. I think Devuan's default is XFCE.
>
> Steve Litt
>
>
>
> Gunnar Gervin said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:11:49 +0300
>
> >I forgot to tell:
> >The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
> >wrong way in root in Terminal;
> ># apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> >
> >Please advice how tide up again.
> >Gunnar
>