Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
On Friday 19 September 2003 19:29, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:56:03PM -0400, Mike Mueller wrote: If the fee is a result of the domain name expiring and this is a special reinstatement fee, then it seems usary to me. pedant Usury means interest. Perhaps extortion? /pedant ot-trivia In days gone by English businessmen took seriously the many Biblical prohibitions of usury - and got around them by importing Jews to do it. /ot-trivia Mispelled and misused. Inexcusable. I found a reference that claims usuary was forbidden by Jews, Islamists, and Christians (http://www.bartleby.com/65/in/interest.html). Usuary can mean the practive of charging more than the legal amount of interest. It was this sense of the word I was reaching for. As you point out, however, the fee is better described as extortion. My English is a bit better now. Thank you. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number 6 in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
At 2003-09-19T05:25:43Z, Paul Mackinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. Once my domain is registered again, can it be transfered to a different registrar without a loss of service. Recommendations? I'd like to go with a business that thinks you should make a second attempt to contact someone if an email bounces. I can't help with the first part, but the answer to this is a definite yes. I've had great luck with Domain Monger (http://www.domainmonger.com/). They have a web interface with instanteous updates, and their support desk is actually helpful. If order to transfer your domain to Domain Monger, you have to pay them for one year of service ($17, I think). However, they *add that year to the end* of your correct registration, so you don't lose any money that you weren't going to spend anyway. I imagine that other registrars have the same deal. -- Kirk Strauser pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
On Friday 19 September 2003 01:25, Paul Mackinney wrote: My domain name registrar, Names4Ever.com, burned me be invoicing me at a stale email address, failing to contact me by phone or postal service, and canceling my domain name when I didn't renew. Now they tell me that to reinstate it I have to pay $150 that goes to ICANN/Network Solutions in order to remove it from redemption status. To add insult to injury, they made me send a check--they wouldn't accept a credit card because too many of their customers have been doing charge-backs on the $150 fee. So I'm out $150 and all of my inbound email is bouncing until my domain name comes back on line. I'm totally PO'd, but as I understand it, my only other option is to wait a month or so until ICANN takes it out of redemption status and hope no one else snags my domain name. I can't afford to to this, I'm out of work and may already have lost job offers. I am marveling at the $150 for a domain name. I pay less than $10 each for mine. If the fee is a result of the domain name expiring and this is a special reinstatement fee, then it seems usary to me. However, they may be well within their rights to act like complete jerks. My questions are: 1. Do I have any recourse agains Names4Ever, other than writing them nasty letters? They're based in San Diego, CA, also known as APlus.Net. If so it would probably cost you more than it was worth to pursue. 2. Once my domain is registered again, can it be transfered to a different registrar without a loss of service. Recommendations? I'd like to go with a business that thinks you should make a second attempt to contact someone if an email bounces. Yes. I've done exactly this. It takes a week or two to churn through the system. The change occured without _noticeable_ loss of service. I was responsible for ensuring the new resgistrar's records pointed to my web host's servers. I use a budget registrar from whom I expect no courtesy or special treatment. I mark the anniversaries of my domains in a paper calender (I've broken two Palm Pilots - I'm done with those gadgets). Chaulk it up to training. Training is not free (as in beer). And you shared it. Hope you find work soon. It sucks being between jobs involuntarily. I know. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number 6 in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:56:03PM -0400, Mike Mueller wrote: If the fee is a result of the domain name expiring and this is a special reinstatement fee, then it seems usary to me. pedant Usury means interest. Perhaps extortion? /pedant ot-trivia In days gone by English businessmen took seriously the many Biblical prohibitions of usury - and got around them by importing Jews to do it. /ot-trivia -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
hiya small claims court is your best bet ... - read the fine print ( usually 3-20 pages of fine print ) about who owns the domain even if you paid the $10-$35/yr a bigger fish would be to file a class action suit against, verisign, networksolutions, hp or whomever they wanna call themself nowdays - if anybody wants to file class actions ... i have lots of paper work and paper trails to show their blackmail practices ... hoping you wont renew before they've had a chance to move your domain to their back hand they do the $150 trick cause they can get away with it and not enough people have been bit by it that it'd stop them from the blackmail practices you should have more than one domain for contact info ( but also, do not use yahoo/hotmail/aol ... ( use things like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( to appear like a more serious business email addy immediate things you can do ... get a new domain name ... and send out job status emails to all your prospective employers from the new email addy .. ( most will just reply to it ) that they are still looking to hire or have filled the post have fun alvin On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Paul Mackinney wrote: My domain name registrar, Names4Ever.com, burned me be invoicing me at a stale email address, failing to contact me by phone or postal service, and canceling my domain name when I didn't renew. Now they tell me that to reinstate it I have to pay $150 that goes to ICANN/Network Solutions in order to remove it from redemption status. To add insult to injury, they made me send a check--they wouldn't accept a credit card because too many of their customers have been doing charge-backs on the $150 fee. So I'm out $150 and all of my inbound email is bouncing until my domain name comes back on line. I'm totally PO'd, but as I understand it, my only other option is to wait a month or so until ICANN takes it out of redemption status and hope no one else snags my domain name. I can't afford to to this, I'm out of work and may already have lost job offers. My questions are: 1. Do I have any recourse agains Names4Ever, other than writing them nasty letters? They're based in San Diego, CA, also known as APlus.Net. 2. Once my domain is registered again, can it be transfered to a different registrar without a loss of service. Recommendations? I'd like to go with a business that thinks you should make a second attempt to contact someone if an email bounces. Thanks for listening :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:25:43PM -0700, Paul Mackinney wrote: 1. Do I have any recourse agains Names4Ever, other than writing them nasty letters? They're based in San Diego, CA, also known as APlus.Net. The option of contacting ICANN and the FTC springs to mind. You can always sue in small claims court. If the court accepts the case, N4E might have to send a lawyer out to deal, costing them quite a bit more than the damages win or lose. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
