Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 04:56:10 +, T o n g wrote: Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. You will have to get used to it. It will be the only possibility more sooner than later. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Yes, from the drop-down configuration wheel icon. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.28.16.34...@gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Ma, 27 dec 11, 09:50:43, Lisi wrote: I don't understand this comment. That's what conversations *are*, threaded messages. It's just another name for message threading. How does message threading -- break message threading? [snip] All what Lisi said plus the mails are listed chronologically, not by their relation to other messages. Makes it very difficult to follow a conversation :p Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: One man's meat is another man's poison! The Conversations are the single thing I most dislike on GMail. They make such a mess of threading. I don't understand this comment. That's what conversations *are*, threaded messages. It's just another name for message threading. How does message threading -- break message threading? Because it *isn't* threading. Threading goes by an entry in the header, conversations ignores the headers and goes by subject. This frequently breaks threads, which can be very annoying. So no, it isn't just another name for threading. That is why, I imagine, GMail doesn't call it threading. Indeed, though to be fair to google, they almost certainly did this because many people are very, er, ... careless about such things, and simply reply to some random message from the desired recipient when they want to send new email on a different topic. Things can quickly get very confusing when lots of people do that... Still, it'd be nice if they made it some sort of user-option, ideally based on context (e.g. for my family, I'd probably leave real threading turned off, but for technical mailing lists, I'd keep it on)... -Miles -- ... reality itself is blind unintelligent force, and it is only a fluke, it is only as a result of pure chances, that resulting from the exuberance of this energy there are people, with values, with reason, with languages, with cultures, ... and with love. Just a fluke. [Alan Watts, The Ceramic and the Fully Automatic] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/buozkeexr5n@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Tuesday 27 December 2011 02:27:16 Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 25 December 2011 20:19:25 Kelly Clowers wrote: Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. One man's meat is another man's poison! The Conversations are the single thing I most dislike on GMail. They make such a mess of threading. I don't understand this comment. That's what conversations *are*, threaded messages. It's just another name for message threading. How does message threading -- break message threading? Because it *isn't* threading. Threading goes by an entry in the header, conversations ignores the headers and goes by subject. This frequently breaks threads, which can be very annoying. So no, it isn't just another name for threading. That is why, I imagine, GMail doesn't call it threading. An example: Someone inadvertently fails to give a subject, so that the first person to reply gives it one, or someone replying feels that the subject line is wrong or misleading (e.g. just says HELP) and changes it. In both these cases GMail would separate the two emails and threading would keep them together. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112270950.43387.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 06:56, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Have you mentioned your feedback to google? The link is in the bottom right of all pages. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkNrA0PJvCJYA=wkv_hvfysfbyjurzhe8xpas76zxar...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 13:21, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: All what Lisi said plus the mails are listed chronologically, not by their relation to other messages. Makes it very difficult to follow a conversation :p Gmail never had true threading, only conversations (chronological organization). -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkptcrvvfj17bqskp+hiygcxfgzjd8ryo_uc1vkpteq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On 12/27/2011 09:21 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: All what Lisi said plus the mails are listed chronologically, not by their relation to other messages. Makes it very difficult to follow a conversation :p Indeed. And this actually loses information (messages form a tree, but gmail collapses it to a linear list, so it's not possible to find out which message is a direct reply to which one), so it's not just a matter of preference. -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ef9aaba.3090...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Du, 25 dec 11, 11:58:55, Tony Baldwin wrote: Or, you could just get your gmail with mutt over imap. I'm doing this and I have to say it is not the best combo. Sure, you can tweak mutt to do almost everything, but gmail does so many non-standard things that you still can't get it quite right. And gmail's search is superior. I wish mutt would be integrated with sup/notmuch, THAT would be a killer combo ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
Ashton Fagg wrote: On 26/12/11 06:19, Kelly Clowers wrote: Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. I'd agree if Gmail supported a plain-text only view setting, along with the use of a fixed-width font. Although the latter can be rectified with the help of Greasemonkey script. Of course there is no disputing that for people like me who are too lazy to maintain their own mail server, using Google Apps/Gmail for mail is the way to go (and the spam filtering is nice). I've recently started using Thunderbird (err...Icedove) over the web interface because I'm annoyed with many of the changes in the new look. (And the fact that I miss being able to set messages to be viewed in plain text only). And when you set up the old look, you are forever prompted to go to the new one :-( Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jdaata$lav$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sunday 25 December 2011 20:19:25 Kelly Clowers wrote: Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. One man's meat is another man's poison! The Conversations are the single thing I most dislike on GMail. They make such a mess of threading. To each his - or her - own. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112261744.31318.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
Hello Lisi ?! There is this cog-wheel, above in right corner. Click on it. Menue pops up and you can change there back to old design. This is googlemail-helpcenter topic ! There you can put any question concerning gmail. Regards. Val. cv.deb...@gmail.com 2011/12/26 Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com: On Sunday 25 December 2011 20:19:25 Kelly Clowers wrote: Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. One man's meat is another man's poison! The Conversations are the single thing I most dislike on GMail. They make such a mess of threading. To each his - or her - own. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112261744.31318.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALO-Nbo1HjhOMFshTnx2JQG+J5mLuKDdCD0r6zwGRTg--5=h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 25 December 2011 20:19:25 Kelly Clowers wrote: Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. One man's meat is another man's poison! The Conversations are the single thing I most dislike on GMail. They make such a mess of threading. I don't understand this comment. That's what conversations *are*, threaded messages. It's just another name for message threading. How does message threading -- break message threading? -- Chris
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
T o n g wrote: Hi, Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? I don't like it either, but I gave in :-( Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jd78g1$qfe$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sunday 25 December 2011 13:29:37 hvw59601 wrote: T o n g wrote: Hi, Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? I don't like it either, but I gave in :-( I'm lucky, I haven't' got it yet; but I've looked at the mockup they show you. I would love to be able to prevent or reverse it! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112251341.05108.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Don't know if it makes the permanent or not, but is: Inbox - Settings (just above the Inbox) - Revert to old look -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABTJ-OV7d3xkto=u3df1h+antigzk2yrjrprpfmurwbdo4f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On 12/25/2011 07:46 AM, Lio wrote: On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Don't know if it makes the permanent or not, but is: Inbox - Settings (just above the Inbox) - Revert to old look Neat. That works. But IMO it won't last. I remember years ago with the old look of google search, that went away also. They got you where they want you. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jd7di6$l83$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/25/2011 04:56 PM, hvw59601 wrote: On 12/25/2011 07:46 AM, Lio wrote: On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Don't know if it makes the permanent or not, but is: Inbox - Settings (just above the Inbox) - Revert to old look Neat. That works. But IMO it won't last. I remember years ago with the old look of google search, that went away also. They got you where they want you. Hugo I'm not sure I got this right, but IMO a mail client is worth having. Even if you *really* need a web app, you can go for roundcube or squirrel mail and teach them to read your mail from Google's IMAP/POP. Why bother accepting a default UI when you can easily go and choose one? Let me put it this way: it's not a free and transparent service (and you all knew that in the first place), and by using it you explicitly agree(d) to get what they give and only that. If you agreed to that, then why all this noise? Happy Holidays, Victor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Debian GNU/Linux - Romania iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO90UQAAoJEMn1b0XNY6wKoMoH/0RkYPPAsz+zxC7iS9dcwcEA Up326nCK1LTjqDhc9GuIsO1Mtb5jXwn7AZTYrdzcgIqeuUoG4udLO7i9VPg0I8R4 ElHLW+pGzTJtFMm7B9MZZIBFcP52pY3Q3U0xlH7OYIZqhuZIqYEtZ/W4XdliXKoD MlqI1TEsuqxI4ynqqMgcdLzRGNNW6wxYPi4ubvK0AJ9DOwTTKywvHipvIItg43Ov OKyivLkdBDTLgGiUQKyhTHqXhMxGVQKiLrMPav5CGJ1fJwIcAymX++9EZKIqba1c eMWkYXT/DFSA63QTc1FaggI+2dVP/2p0+iwFhGUuBustTQUqlwI5/kjNM6mApa8= =RqEE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ef74510.1040...@debian-linux.ro
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sunday 25 December 2011 15:45:20 Victor Nitu wrote: I'm not sure I got this right, but IMO a mail client is worth having. Even if you *really* need a web app, you can go for roundcube or squirrel mail and teach them to read your mail from Google's IMAP/POP. Why bother accepting a default UI when you can easily go and choose one? I don't use GMail as an email client, except when I am away from home. I use it as an archive , search engine and spam trap. At all three of which it is far more efficacious than my email client. The spam trap on my box then has far less to deal with. . Let me put it this way: it's not a free and transparent service (and you all knew that in the first place), and by using it you explicitly agree(d) to get what they give and only that. Of course - but that doesn't mean that we have got to like it. If you agreed to that, then why all this noise? Goodness, if you regard three short emails as all this noise you must lead a very cloistered life. I take it you have a delete button on your keyboard? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112251658.34643.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 08:56:05AM -0600, hvw59601 wrote: On 12/25/2011 07:46 AM, Lio wrote: On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Don't know if it makes the permanent or not, but is: Inbox - Settings (just above the Inbox) - Revert to old look Neat. That works. But IMO it won't last. I remember years ago with the old look of google search, that went away also. They got you where they want you. My understanding is that eventually (possibly already) they intend to make the older look no longer available. There are still themes for the new look, if you do not like the default. Or, you could just get your gmail with mutt over imap. ;) ./tony -- http://www.baldwinsoftware.com sent using mutt --- ssh-rsa B3NzaC1yc2EDAQABAAAB AQC36TvTIaCR5Ft2nGWGcmRHKW6m3 ugvGXhP6gGjzfRZPD5rnExPMRJwle Wv4f5r4WZvtHIbFfrpxfX+DIaplx nilQWSSLclDynxeELjb7oXHrDw7V lqipUCohFq7U86lecT57yXoEmHNMH bzXY1f97nQN7iYW2+ZAjc+PWypwx+ Amr6dD9fuwCkg4O8j/HCVlp9hTdh GGT28YJG50joPiT5iueyKUvdkpyV Y0wOqSPSjiOFH/HFEaEN4fE0BmdXl Z+5up/bAgxLUdLim7mNoqA8ePfOnl 9/EknMK8fEz3NsNybFlCvKSPpmgc 40/Ubc8SI/dUfT2DmoBTRY7Y2xHH+p t...@baldwinsoftware.com - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111225165855.gb31...@deathstar.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sunday 25 December 2011 16:58:55 Tony Baldwin wrote: My understanding is that eventually (possibly already) they intend to make the older look no longer available. I still have the old look, but I clearly won't have for long! I have heard that Mutt is good, but I am very happy with the email client that I already have. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112251718.08822.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
--- On Sun, 12/25/11, Tony Baldwin tonybald...@gmx.com wrote: My understanding is that eventually (possibly already) they intend to make the older look no longer available. The HTML version is pretty much the same as it's always been. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1324834300.12011.yahoomailclas...@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 07:45, Victor Nitu vic...@debian-linux.ro wrote: I'm not sure I got this right, but IMO a mail client is worth having. Even if you *really* need a web app, you can go for roundcube or squirrel mail and teach them to read your mail from Google's IMAP/POP. Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. Why bother accepting a default UI when you can easily go and choose one? The gmail UI (old one) is very nice, nicer than most OSS web UIs I have seen for mail. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-qAKKXOppavR7-d4gWpiSPSXLFdLuL_=0mybrxcnr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On 26/12/11 06:19, Kelly Clowers wrote: Still no desktop app is as good as gmail. The searching and Conversations still have not been done right anywhere else. I'd agree if Gmail supported a plain-text only view setting, along with the use of a fixed-width font. Although the latter can be rectified with the help of Greasemonkey script. Of course there is no disputing that for people like me who are too lazy to maintain their own mail server, using Google Apps/Gmail for mail is the way to go (and the spam filtering is nice). I've recently started using Thunderbird (err...Icedove) over the web interface because I'm annoyed with many of the changes in the new look. (And the fact that I miss being able to set messages to be viewed in plain text only). -- Ashton Fagg (ash...@fagg.id.au) Web: http://www.fagg.id.au/~ashton/ Keep calm and call Batman. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ef7cc83.8080...@fagg.id.au
OT: deferring gmail's new look
Hi, Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jd6ada$eu4$1...@dough.gmane.org
