Re: OT: vm vs mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 01:33:23PM -0400, Craig Duncan wrote: David Turetsky writes: Mutt is great. Read enough of the handbook or info to get started, then add to your knowledge as situations require. I started using it a year or two ago and find it a real treat -- David I just recently dumped Netscape mail in favor of vm (in emacs). [snip] So, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with mutt and vm on which to base a comparison. My reticence in not trying mutt earlier is the idea that i have to then go _into_ an editor to do stuff that i frequently do (not only reply but also snip bits and pieces out for saving). My editor is emacs. I don't want to use anything else and i can't quite comprehend how mutt and emacs could integrate very well. I don't see how that would be a problem. You can tell mutt which editor to use. Maybe I'm missing something emacs-specific here, as I don't use it myself. Oh, and you can edit the message itself as well, not just your replies. -- Note that I use Debian version 3.0 Linux mus 2.4.17mvz4 #1 Fri Mar 15 23:30:15 CET 2002 i686 unknown Matijs van Zuijlen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: vm vs mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
David Turetsky writes: Mutt is great. Read enough of the handbook or info to get started, then add to your knowledge as situations require. I started using it a year or two ago and find it a real treat -- David I just recently dumped Netscape mail in favor of vm (in emacs). I'm a _long_ time emacs user and although i've heard a lot of good things about mutt, when i was trying to figure out what to replace Netscape mail with, i decided upon vm because i'd also heard good things about it and i could see a lot of benefits from reading my mail from within emacs where i have available all the editing capabilities that i've spent so many years mastering. So i've been using vm for a few weeks and . . . it's not bad. The benefits because of the vm/emacs connection are definitely valid. But i'd probably give vm itself only a B. I'm sure there's a lot more i can do in terms of customizing it (i _hate_ the fact that i can't delete a message until it's been opened ... which when its an html message is _way_ too slow, because it insists on rendering the html before it will make that message the current message so that it can then be deleted). The slowness of its rendering of html is a big strike against it, i guess (any part of vm coded in elisp probably isn't going to win any prizes for speed) , although text-only is pretty much all i need or want (just unsubscribed from an mp3 user group because over half the traffic was either html, gibberish to my mailer or both... and that without ever complaining to anyone about it... construe that for good or ill as you will). So, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with mutt and vm on which to base a comparison. My reticence in not trying mutt earlier is the idea that i have to then go _into_ an editor to do stuff that i frequently do (not only reply but also snip bits and pieces out for saving). My editor is emacs. I don't want to use anything else and i can't quite comprehend how mutt and emacs could integrate very well. One last thing. With vm, yesterday, it progressively became unable to get mail from my ISP's pop server (unknown name or service error). It failed sporadically, then finally ceased to be able to retrieve mail at all (error occurring every attempt). I even called up my ISP but what fixed it was _restarting_ emacs. A! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: vm vs mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
Craig Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Turetsky writes: Mutt is great. Read enough of the handbook or info to get started, then add to your knowledge as situations require. I started using it a year or two ago and find it a real treat -- David I just recently dumped Netscape mail in favor of vm (in emacs). I'm a _long_ time emacs user and although i've heard a lot of good things about mutt, when i was trying to figure out what to replace Netscape mail with, i decided upon vm because i'd also heard good things about it and i could see a lot of benefits from reading my mail from within emacs where i have available all the editing capabilities that i've spent so many years mastering. [snip] So, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with mutt and vm on which to base a comparison. My reticence in not trying mutt earlier is the idea that i have to then go _into_ an editor to do stuff that i frequently do (not only reply but also snip bits and pieces out for saving). My editor is emacs. I don't want to use anything else and i can't quite comprehend how mutt and emacs could integrate very well. Instead of trying mutt, why not just try gnus? I used mutt for a while, but eventually switched to gnus because I found it much more featureful. I've never tried vm, but I'd assume gnus contains all the functionality of vm plus a lot more. -- Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: vm vs mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
On 12 Apr 2002, Brian Nelson wrote: (snip) featureful. I've never tried vm, but I'd assume gnus contains all the functionality of vm plus a lot more. I know people who, by choice, use vm for some stuff but gnus for other stuff, so I'd assume that neither is a clear winner over the other for all purposes. I've never tried either myself. Maybe integration with newsreading is an issue. -- Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: vm vs mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
Lo, on Friday, April 12, Craig Duncan did write: I just recently dumped Netscape mail in favor of vm (in emacs). I'm a _long_ time emacs user and although i've heard a lot of good things about mutt, when i was trying to figure out what to replace Netscape mail with, i decided upon vm because i'd also heard good things about it and i could see a lot of benefits from reading my mail from within emacs where i have available all the editing capabilities that i've spent so many years mastering. Same reason I switched -- 6 years ago. (See X-Mailer header.) So i've been using vm for a few weeks and . . . it's not bad. The benefits because of the vm/emacs connection are definitely valid. But i'd probably give vm itself only a B. I'm sure there's a lot more i can do in terms of customizing it (i _hate_ the fact that i can't delete a message until it's been opened ... which when its an html message is _way_ too slow, because it insists on rendering the html before it will make that message the current message so that it can then be deleted). You can disable HTML rendering by default, and farm it out to a real web browser (w3 doesn't work very well under my setup; it gets the colors all wrong and illegible). Stick the following in .vm: (add-to-list 'vm-mime-internal-content-type-exceptions '(text/html)) (add-to-list 'vm-mime-external-content-types-alist '((text/html netscape -remote 'openFILE(%f)' || netscape %f))) Replace the last string with whatever browser invocation you like. (I really ought to get around to replacing mine with a call to galeon.) With the above, you'll get a `button' for HTML content or attachments; when you middle-click on it, it'll fire up your browser. One annoying thing, at least with VM 6: if the click actually starts the browser as opposed to using an existing instance, when you move off that message, it kills netscape. :-( One last thing. With vm, yesterday, it progressively became unable to get mail from my ISP's pop server (unknown name or service error). It failed sporadically, then finally ceased to be able to retrieve mail at all (error occurring every attempt). I even called up my ISP but what fixed it was _restarting_ emacs. A! Odd. I use fetchmail/procmail to do some fairly complicated filtering; VM gets mail out of a local spool. Perhaps you'll have better luck with that. (If you're interested, I'll send you my .vm in a private message.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
