OT Required Options?
For my birthday my daughter gave me a tee shirt with the following message printed on it: Only in the World of Microsoft are Options Required Go Linux! I don't want to wear it until I can explain it and I don't know what options Mircosoft requires. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:41:35 -0400 Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my birthday my daughter gave me a tee shirt with the following message printed on it: Only in the World of Microsoft are Options Required Go Linux! I don't want to wear it until I can explain it and I don't know what options Mircosoft requires. I'm sure it could mean different things to different people. But my first thought would be that Windows is almost useless unless you buy their optional office software. If you don't use their optional web browser, you can't get their security updates (at least we don't have to pay for that part... yet). You have to install antivirus and spyware removal tools to keep it safe and secure... and the list goes on. In Linux you don't _have to_ install anything. I've got servers without web browsers or e-mail clients and desktop machines without apache. Oh, and happy birthday! :-) HTH, Jacob /me sits back and waits for someone else to show how they interpreted it totally different :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:41:35 -0400 Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my birthday my daughter gave me a tee shirt with the following message printed on it: Only in the World of Microsoft are Options Required Go Linux! I don't want to wear it until I can explain it and I don't know what options Mircosoft requires. I'm sure it could mean different things to different people. But my first thought would be that Windows is almost useless unless you buy their optional office software. [...] /me sits back and waits for someone else to show how they interpreted it totally different :-) While I haven't used any Microsoft product for more than 10 years, some googling suggested a very different meaning of the term options to me. Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. Such command line options are therefore not really optional, but required. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.05.27.1738 +0200]: While I haven't used any Microsoft product for more than 10 years, some googling suggested a very different meaning of the term options to me. An option may be what movie you choose to watch, or what music to listen to; what software you install and what hardware you purchase. With Microsoft's drop of the NGSCB and the complete (!) adoption of Digital Restriction Management in its worst form (well, worst given today's standards... this is only the beginning), their bribery involvements with hardware vendors and hatred for other software vendors should give enough of a list of restrictions they impose. There was a time when Opera did not run on Windows because Microsoft did not want another browser, just to give a simple example. At other times, Windows would identify Linux as a virus and offer to clean the system from it (by removing its entry in the MBR). So there, I surely know where I want to go tomorrow... -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! we have a firm commitment to nato, we are a part of nato. we have a firm commitment to europe. we are a part of europe. - george w. bush signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT Required Options?
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 05:38:13PM +0200, Martin Dickopp wrote: Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:41:35 -0400 Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my birthday my daughter gave me a tee shirt with the following message printed on it: Only in the World of Microsoft are Options Required Go Linux! I don't want to wear it until I can explain it and I don't know what options Mircosoft requires. I'm sure it could mean different things to different people. But my first thought would be that Windows is almost useless unless you buy their optional office software. [...] /me sits back and waits for someone else to show how they interpreted it totally different :-) While I haven't used any Microsoft product for more than 10 years, some googling suggested a very different meaning of the term options to me. Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. Such command line options are therefore not really optional, but required. That's hardly unique to Microsoft products, is it? -- David Jardine Running Debian GNU/Linux and loving every minute of it. -L. von Sacher-M.(1835-1895) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 10:41 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: For my birthday my daughter gave me a tee shirt with the following message printed on it: Only in the World of Microsoft are Options Required Go Linux! I don't want to wear it until I can explain it and I don't know what options Mircosoft requires. Used to be I had a .sig that read: Failure is not an option, It comes STANDARD with Windows. It comes down to support. An optional Hotfix or upgrade/update is required before they will even touch something that is not even part of the update but is the problem. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT Required Options?
Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Hasler wrote: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. In my mind there is a distinction between options and arguments. In Windows options are flags designated with a / . I consider $ ls -l an option, not an argument. $ svn commit -m changed such and such. -m string is an argument not an option. You might call the subcommand, commit, an option. Lots of commands require arguments, I don't know of any that require options. No wait. how about shutdown on windows or linux? I guess linux has a required argument. But windows requires an option. Well, looks like the help calls them arguments... I use chkdsk on Windows regularly. The default is a report and performs no actions. So /F could be considered a required option depending on what you expect chkdsk to do. But I would not interpret the message of this shirt to be about the command line. Windows options that are required: IE, Media Player, Windows Firewall. How about the option to shrink your ntfs partition? It used to be worse, windows is becomming more configurable. The shirt seems like a fair statement to me. -- ~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~` Michael Z Daryabeygi Database Applications Developer Sligo Computer Services Co-op www.sligowebworks.com 301.270.9673 x 304 ~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~`~,~` -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of imagination. :) Anyway, it appears to be much more common in the Windows world. But as I said, I have no experience with Microsoft Windows whatsoever and just got this information from Google. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Dickopp said: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of imagination. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] scripts]# tar tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options - -- /phil -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCl2eFGbd/rBLcaFwRAq4DAKCYVSLJXLFOIfY+PvxZUEuAkALy4gCglSm6 XVjExjTyEgE+4Uo4bGmsZzY= =aWjH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of imagination. :) You mean like e.g. rmdir and rm: Linux/Debian: $ rmdir rmdir: too few arguments Try `rmdir --help' for more information. $ rm rm: too few arguments Try `rm --help' for more information. UNIX/Solaris 10: % rmdir Usage: rmdir [-ps] dirname ... % rm usage: rm [-fiRr] file ... Dragan -- Dragan Cvetkovic, To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer !!! Sender/From address is bogus. Use reply-to one !!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Phil Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Dickopp said: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of imagination. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] scripts]# tar tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options Very good! I had indeed not thought of 'tar'. Thanks! Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of imagination. :) You mean like e.g. rmdir and rm: Linux/Debian: $ rmdir rmdir: too few arguments Try `rmdir --help' for more information. $ rm rm: too few arguments Try `rm --help' for more information. No, I don't mean these. They work perfectly fine with only non-option arguments. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:10:53PM +0200, Martin Dickopp wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin writes: Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is provided to them. That's true of Unix and Linux as well. Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of imagination. :) It's a question of definition, I suppose, but try dpkg or tar and see what they say. Okay, you can call the missing things commands, but they themselves call them options. Anyway, it appears to be much more common in the Windows world. But as I said, I have no experience with Microsoft Windows whatsoever and just got this information from Google. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Jardine Running Debian GNU/Linux and loving every minute of it. -L. von Sacher-M.(1835-1895) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
