Re: Obsessed with a clean system
Lourens replying to Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 13:36, Lourens Steenkamp wrote: Lourens replying to Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [big snip] Doesn't matter to me... I have a local mirror for the 4 archs I use. I have also aquired a mirror (woody, sarge, sid, experimental, security stuff, no src). Could you tell me how you keep your mirror in sync? TIA. I apologize for the over-length lines. I don't like to break-up these kinds of lines. I use this script: [snipped] Thank you very much for your response, I will look at this this coming weekend. Have fun * Lourens Steenkamp Enjoying Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r2 * Here is bigger than you can imagine, Now is forever ... Bruce Cockburn : Messenger Wind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
William Ballard wrote: But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Those running firewalls such as ipcop and APs such as pebble from compact flash care quitea bit. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
William Ballard wrote: ... I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor in my Amiga. Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it. But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need? Why fight broken upgrades on things? It's also about minimising the number of security bugs that actually affect you. I used to work on HP-UX servers, and i routinely deleted the audio subsystem on them because they didn't have audio hardware. Everyone thought i was crazy, until one day a trivially exploitable security bug was announced. Then i got to thumb my nose at all the people who thought i was being anal, and i saved our team a lot of time in security patching. -- Paul http://paulgear.webhop.net -- War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses. -- Thomas Jefferson http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1770 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
Loki wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Kirk Strauser wrote: I cheated on my mirror: I installed a Squid server and pointed apt at that proxy. That way, there's no penalty of downloading more packages than needed, but additional hosts benefit from the packages already downloaded by earlier hosts. Well yeah, if you have infinite disk space to devote to your cache. :) ... Also, things cycle out of the cache. They expire, or you run out of cache space and Squid wisely deletes cache objects. It's good, but a mirror is better. You don't need infinite disk space to make use of a cache. You only need enough to store the sets of packages that you use. I'm about to build a new mail/proxy/web server with 80 Gb drives in RAID 1. About 5 of that 80 Gb will be required for the actual work of the server (the current machine has 4 Gb total), and i could easily spare 40 Gb for cache. -- Paul http://paulgear.webhop.net -- War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses. -- Thomas Jefferson http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1770 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
Lourens replying to Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [big snip] Doesn't matter to me... I have a local mirror for the 4 archs I use. I have also aquired a mirror (woody, sarge, sid, experimental, security stuff, no src). Could you tell me how you keep your mirror in sync? TIA. * Lourens Steenkamp Enjoying Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r2 * Here is bigger than you can imagine, Now is forever ... Bruce Cockburn : Messenger Wind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Thursday 12 August 2004 12:36, Lourens Steenkamp wrote: I have also aquired a mirror (woody, sarge, sid, experimental, security stuff, no src). Could you tell me how you keep your mirror in sync? I cheated on my mirror: I installed a Squid server and pointed apt at that proxy. That way, there's no penalty of downloading more packages than needed, but additional hosts benefit from the packages already downloaded by earlier hosts. -- Kirk Strauser pgpbD9MiDfzlU.pgp Description: signature
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 13:36, Lourens Steenkamp wrote:
Lourens replying to Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[big snip]
Doesn't matter to me... I have a local mirror for the 4 archs I use.
I have also aquired a mirror (woody, sarge, sid, experimental, security
stuff, no src).
Could you tell me how you keep your mirror in sync?
TIA.
I apologize for the over-length lines. I don't like to break-up these
kinds of lines.
I use this script:
#Begin Script
#! /bin/sh
set -e
# This script originates from http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync
# Note: You MUST have rsync 2.0.16-1 or newer, which is available in slink
# and all newer Debian releases, or at http://rsync.samba.org/
# Set the variables below to fit your site. You can then use cron to have
# this script run daily to automatically update your copy of the archive.
# Don't forget:
# chmod 744 anonftpsync
# TO is the destination for the base of the Debian mirror directory
# (the dir that holds dists/ and ls-lR).
TO=/publish/debian
OPTIONS=--verbose --recursive --links --hard-links --times --compress
--delete --delete-after
# RSYNC_HOST is the site you have chosen from the mirrors file.
# (http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full)
RSYNC_HOST=ftp.us.debian.org
# RSYNC_DIR is the directory given in the Packages over rsync: line of
# the mirrors file for the site you have chosen to mirror.
RSYNC_DIR=debian/
# EXCLUDE is a list of parameters listing patterns that rsync will exclude.
# The following example would exclude mostly everything:
EXCLUDE=\
--exclude binary-arm/ --exclude *_arm.deb --exclude *_arm.udeb --exclude
disks-arm/ --exclude upgrade-arm/ --exclude *-arm.gz --exclude *arm*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-hurd-i386/ --exclude *_hurd-i386.deb --exclude
*_hurd-i386.udeb --exclude disks-hurd-i386/ --exclude upgrade-hurd-i386/ --exclude
*-hurd-i386.gz --exclude *hurd-i386*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-ia64/ --exclude *_ia64.deb --exclude *_ia64.udeb --exclude
disks-ia64/ --exclude upgrade-ia64/ --exclude *-ia64.gz --exclude *ia64*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-m68k/ --exclude *_m68k.deb --exclude *_m68k.udeb --exclude
disks-m68k/ --exclude upgrade-m68k/ --exclude *-m68k.gz --exclude *m68k*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-mips*/ --exclude *_mips*.deb --exclude *_mips*.udeb
--exclude disks-mips*/ --exclude upgrade-mips*/ --exclude *-mips*.gz --exclude
*mips*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-powerpc/ --exclude *_powerpc.deb --exclude *_powerpc.udeb
--exclude disks-powerpc/ --exclude upgrade-powerpc/ --exclude *-powerpc.gz --exclude
*powerpc*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-sh*/ --exclude *_sh*.deb --exclude *_sh*.udeb --exclude
disks-sh*/ --exclude upgrade-sh*/ --exclude *-sh*.gz --exclude *sh*.nondebbin.* \
--exclude binary-s390/ --exclude *_s390.deb --exclude *_s390.udeb --exclude
disks-s390/ --exclude upgrade-s390/ --exclude *-s390.gz --exclude *s390*.nondebbin.* \
# With a blank EXCLUDE you will mirror the entire archive.
#EXCLUDE=
# There should be no need to edit anything below this point, unless there
# are problems.
#-#
# Note: on some non-Debian systems, hostname doesn't accept -f option.
# If that's the case on your system, make sure hostname prints the full
# hostname, and remove the -f option. If there's no hostname command,
# explicitly replace `hostname -f` with the hostname.
HOSTNAME=`hostname -f`
LOCK=${TO}/Archive-Update-in-Progress-${HOSTNAME}
# Get in the right directory and set the umask to be group writable
#
cd $TO
umask 002
# Check to see if another sync is in progress
if lockfile -! -l 43200 -r 0 $LOCK; then
echo ${HOSTNAME} is unable to start rsync, lock file exists
exit 1
fi
# Note: on some non-Debian systems, trap doesn't accept exit as signal
# specification. If that's the case on your system, try using 0.
trap rm -f $LOCK /dev/null 21 exit
set +e
rsync $OPTIONS \
--exclude Archive-Update-in-Progress-${HOSTNAME} \
--exclude project/trace/${HOSTNAME} \
$EXCLUDE \
$RSYNC_HOST::$RSYNC_DIR $TO rsync.log 21
date -u ${TO}/project/trace/${HOSTNAME}
# Note: if you don't have savelog, use any other log rotation facility, or
# comment this out, the log will simply be overwritten each time.
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Kirk Strauser wrote: I cheated on my mirror: I installed a Squid server and pointed apt at that proxy. That way, there's no penalty of downloading more packages than needed, but additional hosts benefit from the packages already downloaded by earlier hosts. Well yeah, if you have infinite disk space to devote to your cache. :) This isn't a mirror. I do this (well actually I have a squid server for general use, but I point apt at it too), and it's handy when you're updating several machines at once, particularly if they're on the same version (which of course none of them are anymore; unstable/ppc, unstable/i386 and testing/i386 - bah, well at least the non-arch-dependent packages get shared between unstable/ppc and unstable/i386), but it's not a mirror. A mirror stores all the files. Like how when you look in a non-metaphorical mirror made of glass, it reflects all your face at once, not just the part that somebody else has already looked at. :) Also, things cycle out of the cache. They expire, or you run out of cache space and Squid wisely deletes cache objects. It's good, but a mirror is better. - -- GnuPG public key available from http://ca.geocities.com/redvision.geo/gnupg_key.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBHD0IMqUhaD+LmFcRAhuOAJwIr2wKdFW17oeC+GN15RZ0t9uQXQCfa+6Y lyLNvj44fqE+uzKfJkqhyIE= =lLol -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 04:04, Tong Sun wrote: Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3 lskat I don't want them, but I have to keep them. This to me is a huge list. You do not have to keep them. I used to remove all files in unwanted rpm packages in RH, leaving only empty shells in the system. Anybody has done similar things in Debian? [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo apt-get -u remove kbattleship Password: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: kbattleship kde kde-amusements kdegames 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 963kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -L kde /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/kde /usr/share/doc/kde/README.Debian /usr/share/doc/kde/copyright /usr/share/doc/kde/changelog.gz [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -L kde-amusements /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/kde-amusements /usr/share/doc/kde-amusements/README.Debian /usr/share/doc/kde-amusements/copyright /usr/share/doc/kde-amusements/changelog.gz [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -L kdegames /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/kdegames /usr/share/doc/kdegames/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/kdegames/README /usr/share/doc/kdegames/copyright /usr/share/doc/kdegames/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/kdegames/changelog.Debian.gz So you see that those three reverse dependencies are actually dummy packages. Their only purpose is to cause other packages to be installed. You can safely allow them to be removed, so far as the current operation of your system is concerned. It might in the future lead to some hiccups; for example, if a new and necessary dependency were to be added to kde, you would miss it. Arguably, that would be added at the wrong level, though. -- Oliver Elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/A54310EA 92C8 39E7 280E 3631 3F0E 1EC0 5664 7A2F A543 10EA Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him; do not fret when men succeed in their ways, when they carry out their wicked schemes. Psalms 37:7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:58:45 +0100, Oliver Elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might in the future lead to some hiccups; for example, if a new and necessary dependency were to be added to kde, you would miss it. Arguably, that would be added at the wrong level, though. Yes I think it would - each package should describe what packages it depends as a Depends: and failure to do so is imho a bug. Most dependency-bugs I encounter in sid are in the KDE packages. -- Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 09:16:19PM -0700, William Ballard wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 10:27:58PM -0500, matt zagrabelny wrote: On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: try the 4th time. Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Obsessed with a clean system To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3 lskat Sounds like you installed the gnome and kde dependency packages instead of just the packages you wanted, although gnome and kde do tend to bring way too much in with them, both installation wise and extra setting processes overhead. One of the reasons I use fvwm and rxvt, no kde packages and very few gnome ones I couldn't live without. I had this problem at first. I fixed large amounts of it by: (1) use x-window-system-core twm instead of x-window-system (2) use kcontrol instead of kde (3) use gnome-control-center instead of gnome Use apt-get to install (1) and aptitude to install (2) and (3). Aptitude will bring in enough of the rest of KDE/Gnome to run just about everything: if kcontrol/gnome-control-center can run and the powerset of its recommends is installed, everything will run and extra cruft won't be brought in. When you install other things, in general use aptitude install because you usually also want to the recommends; but sometimes to be spare just use apt-get install, to only get the minimal dependencies. I've found You can always configure aptitude not to install recommends. Run aptitude with no options to get the ncurses interface, press f10 for menu, then options and dependency handling. BTW, AFAIK recent aptitude allows you to chose a program for installation, and then when you review packages to install you can dump the recommends without aptitude forcing them down your thought. Or you can also press enter on the package name and see the list of recommends, depends, suggests and which packages depend on any given package and play around with that. that for the core dev tools I usually want all the recommends but for some of the more exotic dev tools I only want the depends. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? No. Drives are cheap, but my time is not. I have a ridiculous number of packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB. That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the local office supply store, or $3 worth of space. Even if I could cut that in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of dollars of time. I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor in my Amiga. Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it. -- Kirk Strauser pgpVZioTZJlpA.pgp Description: signature
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? No. Drives are cheap, but my time is not. I have a ridiculous number of packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB. That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the local office supply store, or $3 worth of space. Even if I could cut that in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of dollars of time. I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor in my Amiga. Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it. But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need? Why fight broken upgrades on things? Unless you run stable, I guess, and don't upgrade much. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 11 August 2004 10:33, William Ballard wrote: But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need? Why fight broken upgrades on things? The OP did - he was deleting the contents of packages but leaving them in the package database. If there were unused packages that were causing problems, then, sure, I'd delete them. That hasn't been a problem for me, though. -- Kirk Strauser pgpkA9AI3w1ca.pgp Description: signature
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 08:33:49AM -0700, William Ballard wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? No. Drives are cheap, but my time is not. I have a ridiculous number of packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB. That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the local office supply store, or $3 worth of space. Even if I could cut that in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of dollars of time. I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor in my Amiga. Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it. But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need? Why fight broken upgrades on things? What I usually do is that when I look over the packages that are going to be upgraded (I use the ncurses interface to aptitude) I either remove packages I no longer need or mark those I am not sure about as auto. Unless you run stable, I guess, and don't upgrade much. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:32:12AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 08:33:49AM -0700, William Ballard wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? No. Drives are cheap, but my time is not. I have a ridiculous number of packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB. That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the local office supply store, or $3 worth of space. Even if I could cut that in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of dollars of time. I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor in my Amiga. Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it. But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need? Why fight broken upgrades on things? What I usually do is that when I look over the packages that are going to be upgraded (I use the ncurses interface to aptitude) I either remove packages I no longer need or mark those I am not sure about as auto. I make use of debfoster to keep my system clean. /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://magnus.therning.org/ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. (If you can read this you are to highly educated.) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 11:33, William Ballard wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? No. Drives are cheap, but my time is not. I have a ridiculous number of packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB. That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the local office supply store, or $3 worth of space. Even if I could cut that in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of dollars of time. I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor in my Amiga. Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it. But keeping it clean primarily saves time. Nobody cares about disk space. Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need? Why fight broken upgrades on things? Unless you run stable, I guess, and don't upgrade much. Doesn't matter to me... I have a local mirror for the 4 archs I use. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Obsessed with a clean system
try the 4th time. Date:Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Obsessed with a clean system To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3 lskat I don't want them, but I have to keep them. This to me is a huge list. I used to remove all files in unwanted rpm packages in RH, leaving only empty shells in the system. Anybody has done similar things in Debian? Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: try the 4th time. Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Obsessed with a clean system To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3 lskat I don't want them, but I have to keep them. This to me is a huge list. I used to remove all files in unwanted rpm packages in RH, leaving only empty shells in the system. Anybody has done similar things in Debian? are you sure you *need* them? if you want to get rid of the packages, you could use dpkg --force-dependency package-name if there is some other packages that want to keep those listed above around. dpkg has all sorts of different options you can force, see man dpkg. -matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:27:58 -0500 matt zagrabelny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3 lskat I don't want them, but I have to keep them. This to me is a huge list. I used to remove all files in unwanted rpm packages in RH, leaving only empty shells in the system. Anybody has done similar things in Debian? are you sure you *need* them? if you want to get rid of the packages, you could use dpkg --force-dependency package-name if there is some other packages that want to keep those listed above around. dpkg has all sorts of different options you can force, see man dpkg. dpkg --force-dependency --remove-essential libc6 is an especially fun one to use to get rid of clutter. :-) Seriously though, be careful forcing the removal of *anything* unless you're sure you know what depends on it. (Not that Matt was suggesting otherwise. Just the voice of experience talking. :-) Jacob -- GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 Random .signature #46: Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted before the changes will take effect. Reboot now? [OK] pgpSkZ4sDaeNB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
* Tong Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040811 05:04]: Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., [..] I don't want them, but I have to keep them. This to me is a huge list. Why do you have to keep them? Yours sincerely, Alexander signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 10:27:58PM -0500, matt zagrabelny wrote: On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 22:04, Tong Sun wrote: try the 4th time. Date:Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Obsessed with a clean system To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system? Looking at the packages I installed, I know there would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3 lskat I had this problem at first. I fixed large amounts of it by: (1) use x-window-system-core twm instead of x-window-system (2) use kcontrol instead of kde (3) use gnome-control-center instead of gnome Use apt-get to install (1) and aptitude to install (2) and (3). Aptitude will bring in enough of the rest of KDE/Gnome to run just about everything: if kcontrol/gnome-control-center can run and the powerset of its recommends is installed, everything will run and extra cruft won't be brought in. When you install other things, in general use aptitude install because you usually also want to the recommends; but sometimes to be spare just use apt-get install, to only get the minimal dependencies. I've found that for the core dev tools I usually want all the recommends but for some of the more exotic dev tools I only want the depends. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
Tong Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean | system? | | Looking at the packages I installed, I know there | would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., Two of the most useful Debian tools in this regard are `deborphan' and `debfoster' (both independent packages). Deborphan scans your system for libraries that are not used by any installed package. Use `dpkg --purge' to remove those libraries, and then re-run (the removal of one library will often result in another being orphaned). Deborphan only removes libraries; the purpose of `debfoster' is to: `weed unnecessary Debian packages' (from the man page). It's a more powerful tool than can be described here, but basically, it tells you what package is keeping what other packages installed and provides you with a good basis for the wise use of `dpkg --purge' or `apt-get remove'. One of the reasons that I really like Debian is that it lets me easily indulge my obsession for having a clean system. Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obsessed with a clean system
Once upon a time Jim McCloskey said... Tong Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean | system? | | Looking at the packages I installed, I know there | would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g., Two of the most useful Debian tools in this regard are `deborphan' and `debfoster' (both independent packages). I used to use these tools, but now just use aptitude. aptitude has a command line interface very similar to apt-get, and this is how I use it most of the time. What aptitude has over apt-get is that it remembers what it has automatically installed to satisfy dependencies, so when an automatically installed package is no longer needed when the last package depending on it is removed, aptitude will remove that too. When moving to aptitude, I found the best thing to do was to run the curses interface and mark all installed packages as automatically installed, and then go through the list unmarking packages that I want. At the end of this, you'll end up with a bunch of packages that aptitude wants to remove - these are the no longer needed packages. One of the reasons that I really like Debian is that it lets me easily indulge my obsession for having a clean system. This method lets me keep a nice clean system at all times, not just when you run debfoster or deborphan. Every now and then I run the aptitude curses interface and filter out all automatically installed packages to see what I have requested to be installed. I go over this list and get rid of anything I no longer want. Often I'll install packages to see what they're like and forget to remove them afterwards - or I'll stop using some package. My cruft percentage is really low these days. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
