Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Monday 04 April 2011 18:39:33 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/2011 11:35 AM, Camaleón wrote: ... You mean I can enforce, for example, a trial to be driven in Spanish| French|Japanese|... in any of the states? There is no official language of the United States. People at the state and local level who try to pass such measures are vilified as racist haters of Hispanics. Currently, non-English speaking defendants have the right to an interpreter. If the immigrant speaks an obscure language and the Court can't find an interpreter in a reasonable time, the defendant goes free because of the speedy trial clause of the 6th Amendment. Which would be the same even if we had an official language (which I'm not opposed to). As the Reconquista of Azatlan proceeds apace, I predict that there will be Spanish-language courts in the Southwest by the time my tween children have there children. Several countries have more than one official language. If the US goes that route (assuming that we get even one), people will adapt. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. | | Research Scientist III | | NYS Dept. of Health j...@wadsworth.org | | Wadsworth Center - ESP | | P. O. Box 509518 486-7829 | | Albany, NY 12201-0509 | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104050912.40979.j...@wadsworth.org
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:39:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/2011 11:35 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:03:51 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/2011 09:34 AM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] here in Spain :-P. Of course the official language(s) of every country is the only one valid for legal issues and administrative tasks, that's understandable. You haven't been to the US... You mean I can enforce, for example, a trial to be driven in Spanish| French|Japanese|... in any of the states? There is no official language of the United States. People at the state and local level who try to pass such measures are vilified as racist haters of Hispanics. (...) I asked because I thought English was indeed the official language in many states (although dunno at federal level). Good to know there are countries with more relaxed language laws. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.05.15.40...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On Sunday 03 April 2011 16:17:55 Ron Johnson wrote: ... What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? Actually, the French (in France) disdain direct translations of English phrases, and will generally use the English term, or invent a separate, French one. The Québecois, on the other hand, use direct translation quite a bit. So you have le hot dog in Paris, but le chien chaud in Montréal. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. | | Research Scientist III | | NYS Dept. of Health j...@wadsworth.org | | Wadsworth Center - ESP | | P. O. Box 509518 486-7829 | | Albany, NY 12201-0509 | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104040909.58924.j...@wadsworth.org
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 18:00:21 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 17:20:48 Camaleón wrote: But there is no Spanish Spanish just a Spanish that is spoken in __ (put here the country) ;-) Quite - the English that is talked in England. And that is what I meant and said! And what ISO code it has? And there _is_ a Spanish that is talked in Spain, which is different from that talked in e.g. Chile. Sure, whose ISO code is es-ES as I alredy mentioned. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.04.13.49...@gmail.com
[OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 15:08:55 -0400, Doug wrote: On 04/03/2011 12:20 PM, Camaleón wrote: I miss an Academy of Language for English. I know Oxford's dictionary is a kind of standard in this field but there should be a central institution that regulates and sets the language rules and of course, integrates all of the English variations. In Spain we have such institution (also in France, IIRC) that tries to control and normalize all of the Spanish variations. (...) This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Don't feel obliged to do it :-) Thank God there is no English Academy. In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. Uh? I don't know of anyone who has been arrested for speaking in English here in Spain :-P. Of course the official language(s) of every country is the only one valid for legal issues and administrative tasks, that's understandable. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. Are you sure about that? There should be thousand of french shops and companies with English or non-French names :-? If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. You can travel to Paris (by means of Google maps) and you'll find some shops with non-French names (English, Japanese, Italian...). But you shouldn't mix both things: the issue you are referring to is mostly a political one while having an Academy that cares about your language is another different one. And Academy of language is about standarize the use and rules for a concrete language, to preserve the sanity of all, native speakers and foreigners, in the same way we follow a set of technical standards (ISO, IEEE, ETSI...) to make a process in a comprehensive manner. What happens is, more that often, politics make a missuse of anything and language is often utilized as a mere weapon to achieve their goals but having an institution that regulates the language is not a bad thing per se, on the contrary, is a good thing in order to keep it alive and healthy, available for anyone. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! Rest assured that the scenario you present is not what it would happen and I can tell you because we (Spanish) neither speak the same language of those who lived here in the 16th century O:-) And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. Most of the non-English languages have integrated many English voices to their respective dictionaries, so in Spanish you can say chip (to refer the integrated circuit) or even modem. So don't get upset to find a French word in English! ;-) The French may hate everything English, I don't think so... maybe they just care and wnat to use they're own language and that's something to be proud about. Of course, enforcing the usage of a concrete language by force is always a bad approach. but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. Variety is also welcomed in any Academy of language ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.04.14.34...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 04/04/2011 09:34 AM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] here in Spain :-P. Of course the official language(s) of every country is the only one valid for legal issues and administrative tasks, that's understandable. You haven't been to the US... -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d99ebe7.6050...@cox.net
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:03:51 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/2011 09:34 AM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] here in Spain :-P. Of course the official language(s) of every country is the only one valid for legal issues and administrative tasks, that's understandable. You haven't been to the US... You mean I can enforce, for example, a trial to be driven in Spanish| French|Japanese|... in any of the states? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.04.16.35...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hum... I've got some servers hosted on XO (San Jose, CA) and no one there is able to speak to me in Spanish when I place a call :-P That's oddMost of where I have been in California always have someone who speaks fluent Spanish as most of California has a large Latino population. Did the number you call not have the marcar dos option? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikt4mha9fosd-cwclv3xwdhovn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:17:56 -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: (hey Matt, next time you want to going on-list again, advice ;-) On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Camaleón wrote: Hum... I've got some servers hosted on XO (San Jose, CA) and no one there is able to speak to me in Spanish when I place a call :-P That's oddMost of where I have been in California always have someone who speaks fluent Spanish as most of California has a large Latino population. Did the number you call not have the marcar dos option? IIRC, I dialed an 888 number, and no, there was no menu option for language selection. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.04.19.00...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:17:56 -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: (hey Matt, next time you want to going on-list again, advice ;-) On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Camaleón wrote: Hum... I've got some servers hosted on XO (San Jose, CA) and no one there is able to speak to me in Spanish when I place a call :-P That's oddMost of where I have been in California always have someone who speaks fluent Spanish as most of California has a large Latino population. Did the number you call not have the marcar dos option? IIRC, I dialed an 888 number, and no, there was no menu option for language selection. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.04.19.00...@gmail.com Sorry, I noticed my original reply was just to you so I made sure not to make the mistake of not checking things over again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikfhz270vn9-rosqp6o9+4sxd1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 04/04/2011 11:35 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:03:51 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/2011 09:34 AM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] here in Spain :-P. Of course the official language(s) of every country is the only one valid for legal issues and administrative tasks, that's understandable. You haven't been to the US... You mean I can enforce, for example, a trial to be driven in Spanish| French|Japanese|... in any of the states? There is no official language of the United States. People at the state and local level who try to pass such measures are vilified as racist haters of Hispanics. Currently, non-English speaking defendants have the right to an interpreter. If the immigrant speaks an obscure language and the Court can't find an interpreter in a reasonable time, the defendant goes free because of the speedy trial clause of the 6th Amendment. As the Reconquista of Azatlan proceeds apace, I predict that there will be Spanish-language courts in the Southwest by the time my tween children have there children. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d9a48a5.3040...@cox.net
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:00:36 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Friday 01 April 2011 16:02:53 Camaleón wrote: Well, if we attend to this notice: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries (...) IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard is no longer available -- All new dictionaries are now available via the Extensions Repository. You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT And what about English English?? English English? You mean British English (en-GB)? :-) (...) English English dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support (...) When is English English going to get a look in?? I work in OOo without a spell checker because I am so fed up with being told that honor is right and honour is wrong, fantasize is right and fantasise is wrong. Etc. And I like to use a spell checker because I am a lousy typist and an even worse proof-reader. The above dictionary should do the job. It installs most of the English variations (UK included). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.03.12.01...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sunday 03 April 2011 13:01:42 Camaleón wrote: And what about English English?? English English? You mean British English (en-GB)? :-) No. I mean English English. You try telling a Scot that English is the same thing as Scots! You are, however, slightly confused. ;-) England, Great Britain and United Kingdom are all different things. You mention UK and GB as though they are the same thing as each other and as England!! And there is no such thing as UK English. Glaswegians and those from Belfast are both equally incomprehensible to me. The United Kingdom is a political entity and comprises four nations. Hence the term United in the name. The geographical entity of Great Britain houses three nations, the English, the Welsh and the Scots. The countries are respectively called England, Wales and Scotland. The fourth member of the united Kingdom, Northern Ireland, is not in Great Britain. It is on the island of Ireland. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104031440.47095.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:40:46 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 13:01:42 Camaleón wrote: And what about English English?? English English? You mean British English (en-GB)? :-) No. I mean English English. You try telling a Scot that English is the same thing as Scots! And what's exactly that English English? I mean, what iso code it has? I ask becasue I'm not aware of any with that name :-? You are, however, slightly confused. ;-) England, Great Britain and United Kingdom are all different things. I was talking about a language standard (en-gb) not about any other political related issues :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_English You mention UK and GB as though they are the same thing as each other and as England!! And there is no such thing as UK English. Glaswegians and those from Belfast are both equally incomprehensible to me. The United Kingdom is a political entity and comprises four nations. Hence the term United in the name. The geographical entity of Great Britain houses three nations, the English, the Welsh and the Scots. The countries are respectively called England, Wales and Scotland. The fourth member of the united Kingdom, Northern Ireland, is not in Great Britain. It is on the island of Ireland. Fine, fine... I know well that problematic. We also have many Spanish variations and dialects and not only inside Spain itself but also for The Americas so that's something we all know very well ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.03.14.22...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 2011-04-03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:40:46 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 13:01:42 Camaleón wrote: And what about English English?? English English? You mean British English (en-GB)? :-) No. I mean English English. You try telling a Scot that English is the same thing as Scots! And what's exactly that English English? I mean, what iso code it has? I ask becasue I'm not aware of any with that name :-? You are, however, slightly confused. ;-) England, Great Britain and United Kingdom are all different things. I was talking about a language standard (en-gb) not about any other political related issues :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_English You mention UK and GB as though they are the same thing as each other and as England!! And there is no such thing as UK English. Glaswegians and those from Belfast are both equally incomprehensible to me. The United Kingdom is a political entity and comprises four nations. Hence the term United in the name. The geographical entity of Great Britain houses three nations, the English, the Welsh and the Scots. The countries are respectively called England, Wales and Scotland. The fourth member of the united Kingdom, Northern Ireland, is not in Great Britain. It is on the island of Ireland. Fine, fine... I know well that problematic. We also have many Spanish variations and dialects and not only inside Spain itself but also for The Americas so that's something we all know very well ;-) Now *that* was a potential minefield. Well played, both of you. -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrniph4bo.3io.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:22:31 Camaleón wrote: And what's exactly that English English? I mean, what iso code it has? I ask becasue I'm not aware of any with that name :-? That is exactly what I was complaining about! Among other things. And there are separate language iso's for some flavours of Spanish, are there not? And in Chile they used to talk of Castellano and Espaniol. This was many years ago so a) it may have changed and b) I may have the spelling a bit wrong. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104031643.52611.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:43:52 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:22:31 Camaleón wrote: And what's exactly that English English? I mean, what iso code it has? I ask becasue I'm not aware of any with that name :-? That is exactly what I was complaining about! Among other things. I miss an Academy of Language for English. I know Oxford's dictionary is a kind of standard in this field but there should be a central institution that regulates and sets the language rules and of course, integrates all of the English variations. In Spain we have such institution (also in France, IIRC) that tries to control and normalize all of the Spanish variations. And there are separate language iso's for some flavours of Spanish, are there not? Yes, there are... es-ES (Spanish from Spain), es-AR (Spanish from Argentina), es-CL (Spanish from Chile), es-MX (Spanish from Mexico), etc... And in Chile they used to talk of Castellano and Espaniol. This was many years ago so a) it may have changed and b) I may have the spelling a bit wrong. When used to designate the same purpose (language) both denominations are synonyms. Castellano is more heard in Spain while español is a bit more international denomination. But there is no Spanish Spanish just a Spanish that is spoken in __ (put here the country) ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.03.16.20...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Sunday 03 April 2011 17:20:48 Camaleón wrote: But there is no Spanish Spanish just a Spanish that is spoken in __ (put here the country) ;-) Quite - the English that is talked in England. And that is what I meant and said! And there _is_ a Spanish that is talked in Spain, which is different from that talked in e.g. Chile. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104031800.21332.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 04/03/2011 12:20 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:43:52 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:22:31 Camaleón wrote: And what's exactly that English English? I mean, what iso code it has? I ask becasue I'm not aware of any with that name :-? That is exactly what I was complaining about! Among other things. I miss an Academy of Language for English. I know Oxford's dictionary is a kind of standard in this field but there should be a central institution that regulates and sets the language rules and of course, integrates all of the English variations. In Spain we have such institution (also in France, IIRC) that tries to control and normalize all of the Spanish variations. And there are separate language iso's for some flavours of Spanish, are there not? Yes, there are... es-ES (Spanish from Spain), es-AR (Spanish from Argentina), es-CL (Spanish from Chile), es-MX (Spanish from Mexico), etc... And in Chile they used to talk of Castellano and Espaniol. This was many years ago so a) it may have changed and b) I may have the spelling a bit wrong. When used to designate the same purpose (language) both denominations are synonyms. Castellano is more heard in Spain while español is a bit more international denomination. But there is no Spanish Spanish just a Spanish that is spoken in __ (put here the country) ;-) Greetings, This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98c5c7.3040...@optonline.net
[OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Cheers, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110403195417.GA3897@gennes.augarten
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. Kinda like Spanish... In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98d5f3.4040...@cox.net
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
Not sure I want to get into this ;) - but ... Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? A glance here reveals several restaurants in Paris that seem to be willing to break the law in that case: http://www.placesinfrance.com/restaurants_in_paris_france.html If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? Interestingly, Samuel Johnson's admiration for the French Academy was what inspired him to write his dictionary, and it seems it was in part due to this admiration he chose the French-style spellings. Center etc. was more common before that. No political points, just observations ;) -- Chris Jackson Shadowcat Systems Ltd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98dc61.6020...@shadowcat.co.uk
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 4 April 2011 06:17, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. Kinda like Spanish... In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? To study the enemy and sow dissension. rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. You don't even use capital letters at the beginning of sentences any more. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. He just cleaned up the mess that the French, Germans and Romans had made of the language. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. That wouldn't have mattered if you lot hadn't stolen America from us. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On Sunday 03 April 2011 22:55:22 Heddle Weaver wrote: I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. I'm afraid that they do, and it is called Disneyland Paris. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104032329.28923.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 04/03/2011 04:55 PM, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 4 April 2011 06:17, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: [snip] What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. You're kidding, right? http://idf.disneylandparis.fr/ It's only been open for 20 years. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? To study the enemy and sow dissension. Snicker. rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. You don't even use capital letters at the beginning of sentences any more. My children do. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. He just cleaned up the mess that the French, Germans and Romans had made of the language. On the contrary. Johnson added re because of his Francophilia. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. That wouldn't have mattered if you lot hadn't stolen America from us. Telling Englishmen that they're Englishmen but don't have the rights of Englishmen isn't the brightest way to hold together your Empire. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98fa95.2000...@cox.net
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Saturday 02 April 2011 00:00:53 Liam O'Toole wrote: On 2011-04-01, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 01 April 2011 23:23:33 Liam O'Toole wrote: In the case of OOo, install the myspell-en-gb package. (It goes by country code, not region). I don't know what spell checker kmail uses. Thanks, Liam. I have tried frequently over the past few years and never succeeded in getting en-gb. So I was trying to follow Camaleón's advice to use extensions. That list was the list of extensions. Now that I have the myspell-en-gb package, how do I persuade OOo to use it? Go to Tools - Options, expand the Language Settings node and click on Languages. There you can set the default language for documents. A tick mark next to the language name indicates that a spell checker is available for that language. You can also set the language on the fly while writing a document. In that case go to Tools - Language and choose the appropriate sub-menu. Thanks, Liam!! I changed everything from (default) English UK to English UK and it now works. :-/ Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104020826.34838.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Saturday 02 April 2011 02:39:03 Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/04/11 09:00, Lisi wrote: On Friday 01 April 2011 16:02:53 Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:48:25 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 16:40:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). ii libmythes-1.2-0 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us 1:3.2.1-2 English Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-it 2.0.7.gh.deb1-1.1 Italian Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org 2 It's installed, apparenly... How weird :-? Well, if we attend to this notice: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries (...) IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard is no longer available -- All new dictionaries are now available via the Extensions Repository. You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT Greetings, -- Camaleón And what about English English?? Surely a reasonable concept, but: Dutch Nederlands Dutch spelling and hyphenation Dictionary Engligh English Chemistry Dictionary English English dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support English (Australian)English (Australian)English Australian Dictionary English (Canadian) English (Canadian) Canadian English Spell Checking, Hyphenation and Thesaurus English (New Zealand) English (New Zealand) English New Zealand Dictionary English (South African) English (South African) South African English spell checking dictionary English (US)English (US)US English Spell Checking Dictionary Esperanto Esperanto Esperantilo - spell check, grammar checker and thesaurus for Esperanto language (Lines before and after shown to illustrate that I have not simply omitted it. It actually belongs between Canada and New Zealand.) When is English English going to get a look in?? I work in OOo without a spell checker because I am so fed up with being told that honor is right and honour is wrong, fantasize is right and fantasise is wrong. Etc. And I like to use a spell checker because I am a lousy typist and an even worse proof-reader. My lovely Kmail spell checker just tried to correct honor and fantasize!! US, OK. I don't like it, but they are numerous. But Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and South Africa get a mention and we don't. It is called English. Surely the English English should get a look in?? Lisi openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb Thanks for the help, but that is already installed. I installed it when I installed OOo. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104020831.32319.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 2011-04-02, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/11 09:00, Lisi wrote: --- SNIP --- When is English English going to get a look in?? I work in OOo without a spell checker because I am so fed up with being told that honor is right and honour is wrong, fantasize is right and fantasise is wrong. Etc. And I like to use a spell checker because I am a lousy typist and an even worse proof-reader. My lovely Kmail spell checker just tried to correct honor and fantasize!! US, OK. I don't like it, but they are numerous. But Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and South Africa get a mention and we don't. It is called English. Surely the English English should get a look in?? Lisi openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb That package is for localisation of the user interface. From the package description: Spelling dictionaries, hyphenation patterns, thesauri and help are not included in this package. There are some available in separate packages (myspell-*, openoffice.org-hyphenation-*, openoffice.org-thesaurus-*, openoffice.org-help-*) (Hmmm ... thesauri? Must spell check that ... ) -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnipdthi.3io.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
Howdie, fellow Debianites! I'm running stock Gnome/Squeeze and would like to have spell-checkers and thesauri enabled in my OpenOffice for a couple other languages besides English and Slovenian (my native language). I've installed all the language-related and OpenOffice.org-related and italian-related packages I could think of, but still no go. What do I have to do to have multilanguage (specifically, Italian language) support in OpenOffice? Does Debian provide for that, or do I have to download stuff manually from the openoffice.org website? Help much appreciated. I am quite at a loss here. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301649840.3786.5@compax
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:24:00 +0200, Klistvud wrote: I'm running stock Gnome/Squeeze and would like to have spell-checkers and thesauri enabled in my OpenOffice for a couple other languages besides English and Slovenian (my native language). I've installed all the language-related and OpenOffice.org-related and italian-related packages I could think of, but still no go. What do I have to do to have multilanguage (specifically, Italian language) support in OpenOffice? Does Debian provide for that, or do I have to download stuff manually from the openoffice.org website? Hum... Does italian appears under Tools/Language/* (any of the submenus here)? :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.01.13.30...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
Dne, 01. 04. 2011 15:30:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:24:00 +0200, Klistvud wrote: I'm running stock Gnome/Squeeze and would like to have spell-checkers and thesauri enabled in my OpenOffice for a couple other languages besides English and Slovenian (my native language). I've installed all the language-related and OpenOffice.org-related and italian-related packages I could think of, but still no go. What do I have to do to have multilanguage (specifically, Italian language) support in OpenOffice? Does Debian provide for that, or do I have to download stuff manually from the openoffice.org website? Hum... Does italian appears under Tools/Language/* (any of the submenus here)? :-? Yes it does. If I activate the spell-checker (F7) in Writer, it just says Spell Checking done, without actually doing any spell checking. In the dialog window, the Language drop down menu is empty as if the language wasn't installed. I've discovered now that it is the same with my native language, Slovenian. If I change the document language to US English, otoh, everything works as expected: misspelled words get underlined in red, and pressing F7 does a thorough spell-check. So, the languages seem to be set up correctly, but their spell checkers seem to be missing. US English must be the only spell-checker that's installed. Installing openoffice.org-l10n-sl and openoffice.org-l10n-it achieved nothing. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301668336.5910.2@compax
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:32:16 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 15:30:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Hum... Does italian appears under Tools/Language/* (any of the submenus here)? :-? Yes it does. If I activate the spell-checker (F7) in Writer, it just says Spell Checking done, without actually doing any spell checking. In the dialog window, the Language drop down menu is empty as if the language wasn't installed. I've discovered now that it is the same with my native language, Slovenian. If I change the document language to US English, otoh, everything works as expected: misspelled words get underlined in red, and pressing F7 does a thorough spell-check. So, the languages seem to be set up correctly, but their spell checkers seem to be missing. US English must be the only spell-checker that's installed. Installing openoffice.org-l10n-sl and openoffice.org-l10n-it achieved nothing. Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.01.14.40...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
Dne, 01. 04. 2011 16:40:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:32:16 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 15:30:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Hum... Does italian appears under Tools/Language/* (any of the submenus here)? :-? Yes it does. If I activate the spell-checker (F7) in Writer, it just says Spell Checking done, without actually doing any spell checking. In the dialog window, the Language drop down menu is empty as if the language wasn't installed. I've discovered now that it is the same with my native language, Slovenian. If I change the document language to US English, otoh, everything works as expected: misspelled words get underlined in red, and pressing F7 does a thorough spell-check. So, the languages seem to be set up correctly, but their spell checkers seem to be missing. US English must be the only spell-checker that's installed. Installing openoffice.org-l10n-sl and openoffice.org-l10n-it achieved nothing. Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). ii libmythes-1.2-0 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us 1:3.2.1-2 English Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-it 2.0.7.gh.deb1-1.1 Italian Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org 2 It's installed, apparenly... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.01.14.40...@gmail.com -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301669305.5910.3@compax
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:48:25 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 16:40:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). ii libmythes-1.2-0 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us 1:3.2.1-2 English Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-it 2.0.7.gh.deb1-1.1 Italian Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org 2 It's installed, apparenly... How weird :-? Well, if we attend to this notice: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries (...) IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard is no longer available -- All new dictionaries are now available via the Extensions Repository. You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.01.15.02...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
Dne, 01. 04. 2011 17:02:53 je Camaleón napisal(a): On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:48:25 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 16:40:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). ii libmythes-1.2-0 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us 1:3.2.1-2 English Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-it 2.0.7.gh.deb1-1.1 Italian Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org 2 It's installed, apparenly... How weird :-? Well, if we attend to this notice: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries (...) IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard is no longer available -- All new dictionaries are now available via the Extensions Repository. You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT OK, thanks, Camaleón, I'll try that over the weekend. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301670605.5910.4@compax
Re: Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
So, the languages seem to be set up correctly, but their spell checkers seem to be missing. US English must be the only spell-checker that's installed. Installing openoffice.org-l10n-sl and openoffice.org-l10n-it achieved nothing. It looks like you need to install myspell-it and myspell-sl packages. -- Cheers, Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110401163346.ga7...@rimmer.esmertec.com
Re: Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
Dne, 01. 04. 2011 18:33:51 je Clive Standbridge napisal(a): So, the languages seem to be set up correctly, but their spell checkers seem to be missing. US English must be the only spell-checker that's installed. Installing openoffice.org-l10n-sl and openoffice.org-l10n-it achieved nothing. It looks like you need to install myspell-it and myspell-sl packages. Is myspell used by openoffice? Anyway, Camaleon's suggestion helped. I went to the openoffice site, downloaded the spell checkers and installed them through the Writer extensions wizard. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301680544.15098.0@compax
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
Dne, 01. 04. 2011 17:10:05 je Klistvud napisal(a): You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT OK, thanks, Camaleón, I'll try that over the weekend. I tried it and it worked. Thanks, Camaleón. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301680624.15098.1@compax
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It looks like you need to install myspell-it and myspell-sl packages. Is myspell used by openoffice? Yes according to the package descriptions: Description: Italian dictionary for myspell This is the Italian dictionary for use with the myspell spellchecker which is currently used within OpenOffice.org and the mozilla spellchecker Description: Slovenian dictionary for myspell This package contains a Slovenian myspell dictionary , which will give openoffice.org and mozilla users the ability to automatically spellcheck and hyphenate Slovenian text. Anyway, Camaleon's suggestion helped. I went to the openoffice site, downloaded the spell checkers and installed them through the Writer extensions wizard. Okay, good :-) -- Cheers, Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110401185456.ga19...@rimmer.esmertec.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Friday 01 April 2011 16:02:53 Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:48:25 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 16:40:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). ii libmythes-1.2-0 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us 1:3.2.1-2 English Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-it 2.0.7.gh.deb1-1.1 Italian Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org 2 It's installed, apparenly... How weird :-? Well, if we attend to this notice: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries (...)IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard is no longer available -- All new dictionaries are now available via the Extensions Repository. You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT Greetings, -- Camaleón And what about English English?? Surely a reasonable concept, but: Dutch Nederlands Dutch spelling and hyphenation Dictionary Engligh English Chemistry Dictionary English English dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support English (Australian)English (Australian)English Australian Dictionary English (Canadian) English (Canadian) Canadian English Spell Checking, Hyphenation and Thesaurus English (New Zealand) English (New Zealand) English New Zealand Dictionary English (South African) English (South African) South African English spell checking dictionary English (US)English (US)US English Spell Checking Dictionary Esperanto Esperanto Esperantilo - spell check, grammar checker and thesaurus for Esperanto language (Lines before and after shown to illustrate that I have not simply omitted it. It actually belongs between Canada and New Zealand.) When is English English going to get a look in?? I work in OOo without a spell checker because I am so fed up with being told that honor is right and honour is wrong, fantasize is right and fantasise is wrong. Etc. And I like to use a spell checker because I am a lousy typist and an even worse proof-reader. My lovely Kmail spell checker just tried to correct honor and fantasize!! US, OK. I don't like it, but they are numerous. But Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and South Africa get a mention and we don't. It is called English. Surely the English English should get a look in?? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104012300.36640.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 2011-04-01, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: --- SNIP --- When is English English going to get a look in?? I work in OOo without a spell checker because I am so fed up with being told that honor is right and honour is wrong, fantasize is right and fantasise is wrong. Etc. And I like to use a spell checker because I am a lousy typist and an even worse proof-reader. My lovely Kmail spell checker just tried to correct honor and fantasize!! US, OK. I don't like it, but they are numerous. But Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and South Africa get a mention and we don't. It is called English. Surely the English English should get a look in?? In the case of OOo, install the myspell-en-gb package. (It goes by country code, not region). I don't know what spell checker kmail uses. -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnipck35.3io.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On Friday 01 April 2011 23:23:33 Liam O'Toole wrote: In the case of OOo, install the myspell-en-gb package. (It goes by country code, not region). I don't know what spell checker kmail uses. Thanks, Liam. I have tried frequently over the past few years and never succeeded in getting en-gb. So I was trying to follow Camaleón's advice to use extensions. That list was the list of extensions. Now that I have the myspell-en-gb package, how do I persuade OOo to use it? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104012352.02097.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 2011-04-01, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 01 April 2011 23:23:33 Liam O'Toole wrote: In the case of OOo, install the myspell-en-gb package. (It goes by country code, not region). I don't know what spell checker kmail uses. Thanks, Liam. I have tried frequently over the past few years and never succeeded in getting en-gb. So I was trying to follow Camaleón's advice to use extensions. That list was the list of extensions. Now that I have the myspell-en-gb package, how do I persuade OOo to use it? Go to Tools - Options, expand the Language Settings node and click on Languages. There you can set the default language for documents. A tick mark next to the language name indicates that a spell checker is available for that language. You can also set the language on the fly while writing a document. In that case go to Tools - Language and choose the appropriate sub-menu. -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnipcm95.3io.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?
On 02/04/11 09:00, Lisi wrote: On Friday 01 April 2011 16:02:53 Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:48:25 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 01. 04. 2011 16:40:37 je Camaleón napisal(a): Check your thesaurus packages (dpkg -l | grep -i thesaurus) and look for the OOo's italian one (-i10n packages are mostly for the UI - localization-). ii libmythes-1.2-0 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us 1:3.2.1-2 English Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org ii openoffice.org-thesaurus-it 2.0.7.gh.deb1-1.1 Italian Thesaurus for OpenOffice.org 2 It's installed, apparenly... How weird :-? Well, if we attend to this notice: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries (...) IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard is no longer available -- All new dictionaries are now available via the Extensions Repository. You may try the extension (as suggested) and check if that works: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Dict_it_IT Greetings, -- Camaleón And what about English English?? Surely a reasonable concept, but: Dutch Nederlands Dutch spelling and hyphenation Dictionary Engligh English Chemistry Dictionary English English dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support English (Australian) English (Australian)English Australian Dictionary English (Canadian)English (Canadian) Canadian English Spell Checking, Hyphenation and Thesaurus English (New Zealand) English (New Zealand) English New Zealand Dictionary English (South African) English (South African) South African English spell checking dictionary English (US) English (US)US English Spell Checking Dictionary Esperanto Esperanto Esperantilo - spell check, grammar checker and thesaurus for Esperanto language (Lines before and after shown to illustrate that I have not simply omitted it. It actually belongs between Canada and New Zealand.) When is English English going to get a look in?? I work in OOo without a spell checker because I am so fed up with being told that honor is right and honour is wrong, fantasize is right and fantasise is wrong. Etc. And I like to use a spell checker because I am a lousy typist and an even worse proof-reader. My lovely Kmail spell checker just tried to correct honor and fantasize!! US, OK. I don't like it, but they are numerous. But Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and South Africa get a mention and we don't. It is called English. Surely the English English should get a look in?? Lisi openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb Cheers -- Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d967e37.7050...@gmail.com
