Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:24:53PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 May 2012 at 09:06:30 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote: > > > myhost$ adduser ricky dialout > > > > Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000) > > is automatically in this group. > > I'd be inclined to say she isn't. If ppp is installed she'd be in > group dip. You are probably right: my desktop user is in dialout and I don't remember adding them but I must have done. A fresh squeeze install on a mac mini yesterday yields a user in dip but not dialout. Thanks for correcting me! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512155007.GA4377@debian
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:39:49 -0500, Richard wrote in message <4faddb85.3060...@cloud85.net>: > I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a > *MASSIVELY* multi-user environment. ..correct. > *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure ..you occupy Bouvet Island??? ;o) > single user laptop. ..wrong, you have a multi user system on your laptop. ..and, you're getting useful support for free from people who knows how to debug ppp and gnome-ppp, which is the only _useful_ fact in my post here. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512172337.4e7db...@celsius.lan
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 09:06:30 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote: > > myhost$ adduser ricky dialout > > Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000) > is automatically in this group. I'd be inclined to say she isn't. If ppp is installed she'd be in group dip. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512112453.GD19943@desktop
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 05:02:31 +0100, elbbit wrote: > As wvdial uses a system-wide configuration file, I should imagine that a > regular system user just needs to be added to the dialout group, with > command: > > myhost$ adduser ricky dialout Why does a user need direct access to the serial port to run a script? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512112151.GC19943@desktop
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:39:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: (...) > I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. My first > attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another gripe;) > Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed > gnome-ppp. > All went fine. You call that "paranoia" but it can be a simple bug. > That established I had a "permissions" issue :< I then did >man gnome-ppp > Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* That's also something historical. Programmers are not usually very much interested -nor have the time- in documenting "their babies". > I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I > force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self ;/ LOL! You better force yourself to find a solution for your problem in the proper way. Greetinsg, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/joldtt$s0$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote: > myhost$ adduser ricky dialout Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000) is automatically in this group. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512080630.GB27051@debian
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On 12/05/12 13:39, Richard Owlett wrote: > I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a *MASSIVELY* > multi-user environment. > *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure single user > laptop. > > [As an aside to an ongoing thread, my primary internet access is via a > analog 56K dial-up modem ;] > > I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. > My first attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another > gripe;) It may be relevant - it would be useful if you could post any relevant output, info from logs etc. > Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. > Then executed gnome-ppp. > All went fine. > > That established I had a "permissions" issue Could you be more specific please? Generally your user should be in the dip group (and the dialup group for connection scripts). > :< > I then did > man gnome-ppp > Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* Sorry, can't help you there (no GNOME). When I'm stuck for local documentation I try locate (mlocate as a user whos a member of the group). eg. $ mlocate ppp | grep /share/man $ mlocate ppp | grep README | grep /share/doc If you could tell us what your modem[*1] is some of the GNOME users could help you get gppp configured. Or there's wvdial, or pon/poff, if you don't need a gui tool. I promise, despite the unfortunate experiences of a few - for many dialup networking in Debian is simple and reliable. :-) Most cases like yours - where setting up a connection wasn't simple to begin with, are usually fairly simple to resolve. [*1] make and model, interface (eg, serial, pci/internal, USB), ISP, wireless/PSTN. If it's a wireless modem (3G) has it been initialised, does it use a PIN, and, is it prepaid or postpaid? Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fade8c0.90...@gmail.com
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On 12/05/12 13:39, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self Basically you need to (as root) add your user to the dialup group. grep dialout /etc/group man addgrp --gid ??? your-user Even on a dialup system, it is advisable not to break the basic system security. it isn't so long ago that dialout malware was common (albeit no on *nix). While you are at it, try less /etc/group and see what other groups you might also want to add your-user to, e,g audio, cdrom, floppy, tape, sudo, scanner, saned. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fade14c.3080...@woa.com.au
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On 12/05/12 04:39, Richard Owlett wrote: > Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. > Then executed gnome-ppp. > All went fine. > > That established I had a "permissions" issue :< > I then did > man gnome-ppp > Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* As wvdial uses a system-wide configuration file, I should imagine that a regular system user just needs to be added to the dialout group, with command: myhost$ adduser ricky dialout HTH, elbbit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fade0d7.8090...@gmail.com
Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a *MASSIVELY* multi-user environment. *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure single user laptop. [As an aside to an ongoing thread, my primary internet access is via a analog 56K dial-up modem ;] I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. My first attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another gripe;) Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed gnome-ppp. All went fine. That established I had a "permissions" issue :< I then did man gnome-ppp Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self ;/ LOL! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faddb85.3060...@cloud85.net
