Re: [Solved] PA-2013, K6-2 and AGP TNT2: Windoze runs, but Linux crashes
Just from a flip side: I am not so sure that this sounds like the chipset.. I don't know exactly what you have compiled in the kernel, but here are my experiences FYI. So this doesn't really matter much since you things are working.. I've never had any problem with the via chipset on the PA-2013(and not even that crappy PA-2012) with linux, except with the experimental VIA chipsets drivers which played around with my harddisk and did not so nice this(that was about 2.2.0x). I had been running 2.0.13 with the DMA disabled because my CDROM did not care for it without PCI quirks. Since I've upgraded my CD-ROM to a DMA friendly CD, I've have even been running with DMA enabled by default. My CPU is only a 300 mhz. If I recall. some revisions of the PA-2013 couldn't properly handle faster CPUs.. or at least K6-III's. I generally run the latest BIOS on a PCB version 1.2 mobo. I will say this. I don't regualrly transfer gigs of data around from harddisk to harddisk. So I would be inclined to agree with the quote portion below. [snip] Strange thing that I found a couple of messages blaming PA-2013, and people switch to Tyan, and it seemed to help, despite the fact that both motherboards carry exactly the same VIA chipset. It smells like bad motherboard. [snip] Philip Thiem
Re: [Solved] PA-2013, K6-2 and AGP TNT2: Windoze runs, but Linux crashes
I'm silly: here is a grammer correction was about 2.2.0x). I had been running 2.0.13 with the DMA disabled because my CDROM did not care for it without That should read my CDROM did not care for it, and without PCI quirks Philip Thiem /---/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /---/ Pass on the GAS get NASM instead Computer Science Mathematics Undergraduate @ UM-Rolla Interests: Security, Operating Systems, Numerical Computing, Algorithm Analysis, Discrete/Linear/Modern Algebra,
[Solved] PA-2013, K6-2 and AGP TNT2: Windoze runs, but Linux crashes
Hi, Just want to share my experience. Loading Linux 2.0.36 from windows (loadlin) worked for me. No crashes on hard loads (8 hours of continuous kernel copilation + gzip/gunzip of 0.5Gb file + data transfer over the net). I'm quite certain that the problem is in initialization of VIA chipset, especially it's IDE part. I read quite a few mails where people had troubles with FIC or more generally VIA chipset, it looks like there is some trick in initialization of IDE, which VIA kindly keeps in secret, and provides only in win98 patch. Just for reference things that I tried and they FAILED. BUT I must say that they helped quite a few people to solve there hardware problems. BIOS (award): Turning off CPU - PCI cache Disabling UDMA mode Forcing PIO mode0 Kernel: 2.2.13 + PCI quirks 2.2.13 + recent IDE patch (includes big routine for VIA chipset) hdparm: turning off DMA (makes Linux lifetime longer, but it would still fail) hdparm -X34 -d1 (Linux fails right away) IBM disk ATA33 utility (make disk report UDMA33 - rather than UDMA66) Hi, Noah! Thanks for your comment. I went to the closet and took old VGA card out. Unfortunately it did not help. Swapping cables, moving cards around does not help either. I can reproduce the problem if I try to move 1Gb of data from one place into another. Windoze does it, but Linux gets stuck somewhere in the beginning. Strange thing that I found a couple of messages blaming PA-2013, and people switch to Tyan, and it seemed to help, despite the fact that both motherboards carry exactly the same VIA chipset. It smells like bad motherboard. Thanks again, Sasha. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: MB: FIC PA-2013 (revision 2.0) CPU : K6-2-450 with huge fan on top of it. HD: IBM 15 Gb CD: CD-DVD Toshiba Sound : SB live (value) Video : AGP Diamond V770 TNT2 Modem : Actiontech PCI Linux : Debian Slink installation I've got many of these same components...PA2013 board, K6-II 450. The notable difference is the video board (mine is a 3dfx voodoo3). All this hardware is supported fine by Linux, with only possible exceptions being the modem (PCI modems are usually not compatible) and the video board (I'm just saying that as a disclaimer, since I don't know anything at all about it.) I am inclined to believe that you are in fact facing some kind of hardware problem that windows is able to ignore for some reason. Nothing on your hardware list should be crashing Linux if it's working properly. I would try swapping some stuff out with different, similar hardware. Try different HD cables, a different disk, a different video board. It might even be the motherboard.
Re: PA-2013, K6-2 and AGP TNT2: Windoze runs, but Linux crashes
Hi, Noah! Thanks for your comment. I went to the closet and took old VGA card out. Unfortunately it did not help. Swapping cables, moving cards around does not help either. I can reproduce the problem if I try to move 1Gb of data from one place into another. Windoze does it, but Linux gets stuck somewhere in the beginning. Strange thing that I found a couple of messages blaming PA-2013, and people switch to Tyan, and it seemed to help, despite the fact that both motherboards carry exactly the same VIA chipset. It smells like bad motherboard. Thanks again, Sasha. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: MB: FIC PA-2013 (revision 2.0) CPU : K6-2-450 with huge fan on top of it. HD: IBM 15 Gb CD: CD-DVD Toshiba Sound : SB live (value) Video : AGP Diamond V770 TNT2 Modem : Actiontech PCI Linux : Debian Slink installation I've got many of these same components...PA2013 board, K6-II 450. The notable difference is the video board (mine is a 3dfx voodoo3). All this hardware is supported fine by Linux, with only possible exceptions being the modem (PCI modems are usually not compatible) and the video board (I'm just saying that as a disclaimer, since I don't know anything at all about it.) I am inclined to believe that you are in fact facing some kind of hardware problem that windows is able to ignore for some reason. Nothing on your hardware list should be crashing Linux if it's working properly. I would try swapping some stuff out with different, similar hardware. Try different HD cables, a different disk, a different video board. It might even be the motherboard. You might also want to try running your hard drive on your secondary IDE controller, and disabling the primary controller in the BIOS. It could be that one of the controllers is bad but the other is OK. I had to RMA my PA2013 after experiencing some strange crashes in Linux. Disk IO would stop working completely. If i left procmeter running, I could try to run a program and watch the system load increment by one with each new process I tried to start. The only way out of this state was to reboot. I still don't know what caused it, but replacing the motherboard fixed the problem... Hope this helps you. noah PGP Public Key available at http://www.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html or by `finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOFVZQIdCcpBjGWoFAQHL1wP/XLAX4G35bYLZ5ffr9hUBL1EDdLTQx2Ni Mt+gTeZgxBOCvCBYB8DE9qt9DRr33y3usNKUsdHyFmEeCJSL3DVh0kroQS6UWWwt T9+DPsxaclCLZCBQEDjG788fGm4rgOcrG1AtL0/55EBGNsP2FUNzziSxnfmE6TvH dehk6BeIrQ4= =c6kU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
PA-2013, K6-2 and AGP TNT2: Windoze runs, but Linux crashes
Hi, I have trouble making Linux run smoothly on my new computer, components are: MB: FIC PA-2013 (revision 2.0) CPU : K6-2-450 with huge fan on top of it. HD: IBM 15 Gb CD: CD-DVD Toshiba Sound : SB live (value) Video : AGP Diamond V770 TNT2 Modem : Actiontech PCI Linux : Debian Slink installation I installed both Linux and Win98 on it. I hate to admit it, but Linux crashes and Win98 runs flawlessly for hours and hours (till kids stop chasing monsters and go to bed ...), which make me think that hardware is OK, though I'm not sure how good Windoze argument is. With Linux I'm getting in all sorts of troubles. System locks usually few minutes after the reboot, and usually in IDE I/O operation. Actually it freezes very often when you run fsck or in the middle of dselect or at boot time when it checks local partitions. Things that I tried: memory test - ran many times OK kernel compilation - no problem Turn in BIOS IDE into PIO mode 0 - does not help No CPU to PCI bursts (in BIOS) - does not help new kernel 2.2.13- does not help No DMA in 2.2.13 (using hdparm) - does not help IDE VIA patch to 2.2.13 - does not help I pretty much ran out of ideas, so if someone have close configuration and can comment on that I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Sasha.
Re: PA-2013, K6-2 and AGP TNT2: Windoze runs, but Linux crashes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: MB: FIC PA-2013 (revision 2.0) CPU : K6-2-450 with huge fan on top of it. HD: IBM 15 Gb CD: CD-DVD Toshiba Sound : SB live (value) Video : AGP Diamond V770 TNT2 Modem : Actiontech PCI Linux : Debian Slink installation I've got many of these same components...PA2013 board, K6-II 450. The notable difference is the video board (mine is a 3dfx voodoo3). All this hardware is supported fine by Linux, with only possible exceptions being the modem (PCI modems are usually not compatible) and the video board (I'm just saying that as a disclaimer, since I don't know anything at all about it.) I am inclined to believe that you are in fact facing some kind of hardware problem that windows is able to ignore for some reason. Nothing on your hardware list should be crashing Linux if it's working properly. I would try swapping some stuff out with different, similar hardware. Try different HD cables, a different disk, a different video board. It might even be the motherboard. You might also want to try running your hard drive on your secondary IDE controller, and disabling the primary controller in the BIOS. It could be that one of the controllers is bad but the other is OK. I had to RMA my PA2013 after experiencing some strange crashes in Linux. Disk IO would stop working completely. If i left procmeter running, I could try to run a program and watch the system load increment by one with each new process I tried to start. The only way out of this state was to reboot. I still don't know what caused it, but replacing the motherboard fixed the problem... Hope this helps you. noah PGP Public Key available at http://www.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html or by `finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOFVZQIdCcpBjGWoFAQHL1wP/XLAX4G35bYLZ5ffr9hUBL1EDdLTQx2Ni Mt+gTeZgxBOCvCBYB8DE9qt9DRr33y3usNKUsdHyFmEeCJSL3DVh0kroQS6UWWwt T9+DPsxaclCLZCBQEDjG788fGm4rgOcrG1AtL0/55EBGNsP2FUNzziSxnfmE6TvH dehk6BeIrQ4= =c6kU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
