Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
If this message comes through, then t-online has dissappeared from the badmailfrom list. THANKS to Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Andreas Wehler -- Dr. Andreas Wehler Tel./Fax.: (+49) 202 75 36 64 Luebecker Str. 16 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42109 Wuppertal http://home.t-online.de/home/Dr.A.wehler/profil.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
Hello. 1. Looking for a way to discuss the badmailfrom-list-problem I've resubscribed the debian user list with my old uni accout. Guess what happened: I'm getting all posting twice now since a while (no prices). 2. If postings are not permitted, the T-Online account is useless with respect to debian. So, this is a call for unsubscription. But how does one unsubscribe a address listed in the badmailfrom list? (Sorry for the lengthy headers below). 3. T-Online runs a few local news groups, where just local topics are discussed. The Linux folks there are still a minority, but a growing one. Did I make something wrong when mentioning Debian as the most mature and professional Linux distribution (IMHO) and pointing to the debian homepage etc.? The badmailfrom list problem is going to give Debian a strange taste, if this sort of protection will be permanent. 4. No, I'm not going to change my ISP tomorrow. 5. Assumption: When posting the first time from my uni account (in 1996 ?) I had to reply an agreement with a few statements concerning spam and netiquette etc, which was ok. Wouldn't this be a more professional solution than to just shield any posting from hosts on the badmailfrom list? 6. What ISPs are on this black list today and which will problably be tomorrow? This could become of some interest to anyone. 7. Could someone please wake up the real postmaster (thanks, Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED], for your statements so far) ? 8. Yes, I would be glad if this thread could be ended with a positive answer. Thank you. Andreas Wehler. == failure to unsubscribe == :From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender :To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:29:58 +0100 :Mail-from: From POPmail Fri Jan 2 23:39:46 1998 :Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON :Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.149]) by mailin00.btx.dtag.de with : smtp (S3.1.29.1) id m0xoDk5-000ACFC; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:30:53 +0100 :Received: from root by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with local :id 0xoDjC-0003yz-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:29:58 +0100 :Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Lines: 32 :Xref: midi2.prisi.de other:557 :X-Gnus-Newsgroup: other:557 Fri Jan 2 23:44:39 1998 : :This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. : :A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The :following address(es) failed: : : [EMAIL PROTECTED]: :SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO: :[EMAIL PROTECTED]: :host debian.novare.net [205.229.104.5]: :553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) : :-- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- : :Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Received: from (fwd06.btx.dtag.de) [194.25.2.166] :by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp :id 0xoDi9-0003nW-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:28:53 +0100 :Received: from midi2.prisi.de (0202753664-0001(btxid)@[193.159.59.181]) :by fwd06.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) :id m0xoDhu-0003XUC; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:28:38 +0100 :Received: by midi2.prisi.de :id m0xoDiB-0009cDC :(Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:28:55 +0100 (MET) :Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:28:55 +0100 (MET) :To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Bcc: :X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr. Andreas Wehler - Wuppertal) : :unsubscribe -- Dr. Andreas Wehler; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luebecker Str. 16, 42109 Wuppertal; Tel./Fax.: (0202) 753664 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
On Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 06:57:41PM +0100, Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: :Yes, t-online.de is listed in the badmailfrom list. It has been added :due to spam I think. Thank you for the answer. The color of my face has become bleached a bit. Nevertheless I hope this is more a joke than the last answer, or is it in the spirit of debian to cut all folks from any debian conncetion for historical reasons? I know that T-Online keeps an eye No, but as spam has come up the debian lists aren't excluded . As we couldn't tell the spammers not to use the debian lists we needed a different mechanism. I don't know exactly how the list has been generated but I think it comes from spamdb and it's resources. You might want to check that out. Regards Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / /Erfahrung ist eine nützliche Sache / / Leider macht man sie immer erst kurz nachdem man sie brauchte / pgpfloJZx0ZsN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: :Yes, t-online.de is listed in the badmailfrom list. It has been added :due to spam I think. Thank you for the answer. The color of my face has become bleached a bit. Nevertheless I hope this is more a joke than the last answer, or is it in the spirit of debian to cut all folks from any debian conncetion for historical reasons? I know that T-Online keeps an eye No, but as spam has come up the debian lists aren't excluded . As we couldn't tell the spammers not to use the debian lists we needed a different mechanism. I don't know exactly how the list has been generated but I think it comes from spamdb and it's resources. You might want to check that out. Thanks for the answer. Now, that the not-too-little ISP T-Online is marked in the badmailfrom list, there come 2 questions. 1. What exactly did cause T-Online to find itself on badmailfrom list? No just guesses please. The T-Online Team told me, they would have had a few problems with admins, who applied a faulty patch to sendmail which wrongly assumed, their canonical email address (envelope-sender!) would be inadmissible. In the moment they can't test it for debian.novare.net is not accessible (?). If this is the case, please remove/modify that patch. 2. Under which conditions may T-Online recover from there? Thank you, Andreas. -- Dr. Andreas Wehler; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luebecker Str. 16, 42109 Wuppertal; Tel./Fax.: (0202) 753664 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
On Wed, Dec 31, 1997 at 03:19:09PM +0100, Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: Thanks for the answer. Now, that the not-too-little ISP T-Online is marked in the badmailfrom list, there come 2 questions. 1. What exactly did cause T-Online to find itself on badmailfrom list? No just guesses please. The T-Online Team told me, they would have had a few problems with admins, who applied a faulty patch to sendmail which wrongly assumed, their canonical email address (envelope-sender!) would be inadmissible. In the moment they can't test it for debian.novare.net is not accessible (?). If this is the case, please remove/modify that patch. No, we use qmail on master and there is a badmailfrom file. It's a real file containing hostnames. Regards Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / /Erfahrung ist eine nützliche Sache / / Leider macht man sie immer erst kurz nachdem man sie brauchte / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the answer. Now, that the not-too-little ISP T-Online Now I can be a bit more precise: today there are about 1.8 million users at T-Online, it is the greatest ISP in Europe. is marked in the badmailfrom list, there come 2 questions. 1. What exactly did cause T-Online to find itself on badmailfrom list? No just guesses please. The T-Online Team told me, they would have had a few problems with admins, who applied a faulty patch to sendmail which wrongly assumed, their canonical email address (envelope-sender!) would be inadmissible. In the moment they can't test it for debian.novare.net is not accessible (?). If this is the case, please remove/modify that patch. No, we use qmail on master and there is a badmailfrom file. It's a real file containing hostnames. Oh, so the easiest solution isnt one. Then the 2nd Q comes into the play: : 2. Under which conditions may T-Online recover from there? I hope but doubt somehow, this will be solved by this year? Andreas. -- Dr. Andreas Wehler Tel./Fax.: (+49) 202 75 36 64 Luebecker Str. 16 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42109 Wuppertal http://home.t-online.de/home/Dr.A.wehler/profil.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the answer. Now, that the not-too-little ISP T-Online Now I can be a bit more precise: today there are about 1.8 million users at T-Online, it is the greatest ISP in Europe. is marked in the badmailfrom list, there come 2 questions. 1. What exactly did cause T-Online to find itself on badmailfrom list? No just guesses please. The T-Online Team told me, they would have had a few problems with admins, who applied a faulty patch to sendmail which wrongly assumed, their canonical email address (envelope-sender!) would be inadmissible. In the moment they can't test it for debian.novare.net is not accessible (?). If this is the case, please remove/modify that patch. No, we use qmail on master and there is a badmailfrom file. It's a real file containing hostnames. Oh, so the easiest solution isnt one. Then the 2nd Q comes into the play: : 2. Under which conditions may T-Online recover from there? I hope but doubt somehow, this will be solved by this year? Andreas. Umm.. is anyone elses Prick Detector going off? According to my instruments, the Ego-Needle is off the scale. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
This mail is from my old uni-account. I'm having massive problems with my new private email address, from which any mail to debian.org is refused for an entry in the badmailfrom list. Please?... Thank you. Andreas. -- Dr. Andreas Wehler Tel./Fax.: (+49) 202 75 36 64 Luebecker Str. 16 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42109 Wuppertal http://home.t-online.de/home/Dr.A.wehler/profil.html problems stuff == From: Dr. Andreas Wehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HOWTO escape from the badmailfrom list? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:06:29 +0100 (MET) Resent-Date: 13 Dec 1997 07:57:54 - Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Gnus-Warning: This is a duplicate of message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Message-ID: F8h9fB.A.ZjB.BAkk0@debian Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-from: From POPmail Sat Dec 13 17:07:34 1997 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from debian.novare.net ([205.229.104.5]) by mailin04.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id m0xgmaE-0030gOn; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:05:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 6376 invoked by uid 38); 13 Dec 1997 07:57:54 - X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 6342 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1997 07:57:49 - Received: from welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@132.195.13.11) by 205.229.104.5 with SMTP; 13 Dec 1997 07:57:49 - Received: by welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de id m0xgmaj-000El8C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:06:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original-Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/21442 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Lines: 181 Xref: midi2 lists.debian.user:1848 X-Gnus-Newsgroup: lists.debian.user:1848 Sat Dec 13 17:08:28 1997 Hello. there are problems with my private mail address. Whats wrong with it, how could I proceed? Thank you. -- Dr. Andreas Wehler; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luebecker Str. 16, 42109 Wuppertal; Tel./Fax.: (0202) 753664 From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:57:10 +0100 Mail-from: From POPmail Sat Dec 13 08:57:45 1997 Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.150]) by mailin02.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id m0xgey6-002Q1RC; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:58:06 +0100 Received: from root by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with local id 0xgexC-00078m-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:57:10 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lines: 146 Xref: midi2 other:173 X-Gnus-Newsgroup: other:173 Sat Dec 13 08:58:32 1997 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: debian-user@lists.debian.org: SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO: debian-user@lists.debian.org: host debian.novare.net [205.229.104.5]: 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from (fwd09.btx.dtag.de) [194.25.2.169] by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0xgevy-0006k8-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:55:54 +0100 Received: from midi2 (0202753664-0001(btxid)@[193.159.59.140]) by fwd09.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id m0xgevv-0003TRC; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:55:51 +0100 Received: by midi2 id m0xgewZ-0009ZFC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:56:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:56:31 +0100 (MET) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: HOWTO escape from the badmailfrom list? Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc: X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr. Andreas Wehler - Wuppertal) Hello. after trials to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got the following replies. What's wrong, what should I do? Thank you. Andreas. -- Dr. Andreas Wehler Tel./Fax.: (+49) 202 75 36 64 Luebecker Str. 16 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42109 Wuppertal http://home.t-online.de/home/Dr.A.wehler/profil.html From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:53:36 +0100 Mail-from: From POPmail Fri Dec 12 23:27:19 1997 Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.148]) by mailin01.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id m0xgRoM-00181LC; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:55:10 +0100 Received: from root by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with local id 0xgRmq-0006TZ-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:53:36 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lines: 154
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
On Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 09:30:05AM +0100, Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: This mail is from my old uni-account. I'm having massive problems with my new private email address, from which any mail to debian.org is refused for an entry in the badmailfrom list. Please?... Thank Yes, t-online.de is listed in the badmailfrom list. It has been added due to spam I think. What you could do against it is to get another provider. I know that there's at least franken.de and mayn.de in your area providing reasonable access to the internet. Regards Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / /Erfahrung ist eine nützliche Sache / / Leider macht man sie immer erst kurz nachdem man sie brauchte / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
from Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]: :On Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 09:30:05AM +0100, Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: : This mail is from my old uni-account. I'm having massive problems : with my new private email address, from which any mail to debian.org : is refused for an entry in the badmailfrom list. Please?... Thank : :Yes, t-online.de is listed in the badmailfrom list. It has been added :due to spam I think. : :What you could do against it is to get another provider. I know that :there's at least franken.de and mayn.de in your area providing reasonable :access to the internet. Thank you for the answer. The color of my face has become bleached a bit. Nevertheless I hope this is more a joke than the last answer, or is it in the spirit of debian to cut all folks from any debian conncetion for historical reasons? I know that T-Online keeps an eye or two on spammers, so the *masters of each side should be able to solve any problems with spammers. Thank you. Andreas. -- Dr. Andreas Wehler Tel./Fax.: (+49) 202 75 36 64 Luebecker Str. 16 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42109 Wuppertal http://home.t-online.de/home/Dr.A.wehler/profil.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
