Re: Please, let us end the misery.
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: [snip] I propose that a Debian-list Do's-And-Don'ts be constructed and sent to everyone when they first sign on the list. Sort of like netiquette but more towards help with common problems we see here. There should be something like before you send a post to the list, make sure you gather all relevant information regarding your problem, e.g. configuration files, error logs, command lines. ok, of course your right but (grin there is always a but isn't it?) the problem for many I think (certainly for me) is to gather just that relevant info. If you're a new user you don't know your way around yet so you don't know where to find logs, config files, yes even command lines (last one if it's run through script's you don't find) so if people state their problem and you think (or know) there is not enough info to help them, tell them where and how to find the info you'd need. It'll help every newbie when you do so! certainly don't start getting sarcastic, remember when you first started messing around with a new system (and not only linux!) In particular check the man page (i.e. type 'man program-name') to find out if the program you're having trouble with produces (or can produce debugging information and where what file it goes to and so on, and so on. It will probably need a short ditty on how syslog works. And of course, it should mention that people should check the bug list. BTW, where is the freakin' bug list? ciao, --- Geert Esger Raestel.: (+32) 820 26 66 Centrum Medische Genetica fax.: (+32) 820 25 66 Universiteit Antwerpen UIA E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universiteitsplein 1 WWW: http://bioc-www.uia.ac.be/u/esger 2610 Wilrijk --- E-music on the Net : http://bioc-www.uia.ac.be/u/esger/emusic --- People talking about the environment ought to read The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner, then they'll know what pollution is. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please, let us end the misery.
[*** Attention, this is not a flame, but merely a test of my patience. If this would a real flame, you wouldn't get the warning.***] Can someone tell me what's wrong with the following message? Lu Jimmy Chenji wrote: Hi all, Can someone tell me what's wrong with my following script? diald /dev/ttyS0 speed 115200 connect 'chat -f /etc/diald/pppchat' \ -m ppp local 123.73.253.175 remote 123.73.252.131 \ defaultroute modem crtscts dynamic pppchat is a script file which just init. modem and dial the modem. I have a folloeing pppd script which is very similar to my diald script but works fine. pppd /dev/ttyS0 connect 'chat -f /etc/diald/pppchat' \ crtscts modem defaultroute noipdefault Welcome for any comments. Does anybody ever call up an auto shop and say My car won't start. I turned the key and it didn't start. and expect an answer? I don't know how many people I see every day coming here posting questions with little or no information. Howe in the are we supposed to know what's wrong with something if we can't see the error messages? I propose that a Debian-list Do's-And-Don'ts be constructed and sent to everyone when they first sign on the list. Sort of like netiquette but more towards help with common problems we see here. There should be something like before you send a post to the list, make sure you gather all relevant information regarding your problem, e.g. configuration files, error logs, command lines. In particular check the man page (i.e. type 'man program-name') to find out if the program you're having trouble with produces (or can produce debugging information and where what file it goes to and so on, and so on. It will probably need a short ditty on how syslog works. And of course, it should mention that people should check the bug list. BTW, where is the freakin' bug list? I would also propose that this document be posted on a insert your suggested time period here basis if it doesn't end up being really huge. In essence, I see this document being a set of instructions on how to diagnose problems. I know this is a daunting task. (Kind of like writing instructions on how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich when you're target audience is Martians who don't eat but rather absorb nutrients through their feet.) It's still worth it and it would decrease the traffic on this list. My 0.02 (and more!) -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
