Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
30 mars 2023, 23:56 de debianl...@potentially-spam.de-bruyn.de: I was successful at downloading the video with: yt-dlp --verbose -k --ignore-config -c https://manifest.prod.boltdns.net/manifest/v1/hls/v4/clear/1241706627001/83ddeca4-2e3a-4149-840f-0ca907c2cb59/10s/master.m3u8?fastly_token=NjQyNjYyOWZfOTIzNjUyM2MwN2JlZTI3NjdhNDcwMjM4ZjhmNmY1MmRiZTQxMzM5ZTllOTYyM2E3YTkxZWNhOGQxYmY1YTU0OA%3D%3D after finishing download, i found the file master-master.mp4 If you (the poster who managed to download the video, using the above command and URL) happen to remember how you got to the URL, please either post the steps to the list, or, send to me direct, as I have two more videos from Rootstech 2023, that I want to download, that they have not yet (and are therefore, unlikely to be) uploaded to youtube for viewing/downloading, and, I have problems with the streaming of videos, in that the streams get blocked/broken, causing continuity problems in the videos. And, whilst I have tried applying the Rootstech web site videos' URL's, in vlc, to view/capture streaming videos in vlc, that does not work. vlc is the only Linux application of which I am aware, that would be likely to download/capture the videos direct from the Rootstech web site, and, as I cannot get that to work, the only means that I believe that is available, for downloading the videos, if the process can be determined, for achieving the downloadable videos as above, is similarly through using yt-dlp, through the web site at manifest.prod.boltdns.net . But, I have no idea as to how to get to the path, for each of the videos that I want, within or through that web site. Thank you in anticipation. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
Am 31.03.2023 um 00:28 schrieb l0f...@tuta.io: > How do you get that URL? Via your browser resource/code inspector? Hi, i had been asking not having to answer that question, because i myself do not really understand, how it works. I stumbled across an explanation while skimming through open issues of yt-dlp on github. But unfortunately i did not save the link. => Happy searching ;-)
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
Hi, 30 mars 2023, 23:56 de debianl...@potentially-spam.de-bruyn.de: > I was successful at downloading the video with: > >> yt-dlp --verbose -k --ignore-config -c >> https://manifest.prod.boltdns.net/manifest/v1/hls/v4/clear/1241706627001/83ddeca4-2e3a-4149-840f-0ca907c2cb59/10s/master.m3u8?fastly_token=NjQyNjYyOWZfOTIzNjUyM2MwN2JlZTI3NjdhNDcwMjM4ZjhmNmY1MmRiZTQxMzM5ZTllOTYyM2E3YTkxZWNhOGQxYmY1YTU0OA%3D%3D >> > > after finishing download, i found the file > >> master-master.mp4 >> Indeed, well done. Actually, it works as well without any yt-dlp option/switch. How do you get that URL? Via your browser resource/code inspector? l0f4r0
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:28:23 +0200 (CEST)
l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
Hello l0f...@tuta.io,
>Interesting theory but I can play that specific video in my browser
>without being logged in ;)
Weird; I had to log in first. No idea why your experience differs.
Still, as this doesn't forward the core issue, I'll leave it there.
--
Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
Sign away your life
Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers
pgp6zu6CjrXEk.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
Am 30.03.2023 um 20:20 schrieb Bret Busby: > On 31/3/23 02:08, David Wright wrote: >> On Fri 31 Mar 2023 at 01:41:04 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 31/3/23 00:40, David Wright wrote: On Thu 30 Mar 2023 at 19:31:21 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from > youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. AIUI youtube-dl is now obsolete, and its new spelling is yt-dlp. You can download it from bullseye-backports. If you're a backports user, just install it and check out the CLI options you normally use, in case they've been tweaked, with: $ yt-dlp -help | less > And, I had been able to download videos from some streaming hosts, > but, find that I cannot download videos from other streaming hosts. > > By download, I mean saving to my computer - so that I can get > continuity, and, replay the streamed videos at slower speeds, and, > manipulate the sound, so that I (having a hearing disability that > affects my ability to hear what is spoken) can better hear what is > being said, which is important for educational videos, such as at > Rootstech 2023, where I cannot download significant videos. The yt-dlp dependencies are all unversioned, so rather than put backports into my sources.list, I just checked that I had them all, downloaded yt-dlp….deb from the Packages page, and installed it with the apt-get install /full-path-to/yt-dlp….deb syntax. (The backports youtube-dl package used to get very long in the tooth at times, so I've done this frequently in the past.) Whenever downloading fails, I check out whether there's a more up-to-date version with the yt-dlp -U option. Apparently there's a bug in yt-dlp at the moment, but I don't think either of us uses mpv /with/ the downloader, but only /after/ downloading has completed. >>> I had downloaded and installed yt-dlp, but, that did not work, either. >> >> Writing "did not work" just doesn't cut it on this list: >> we need some specifics. Here's an example I ran this >> morning on a reference given by David Christensen: >> >> $ gy bKzonnwoR2I >> /usr/bin/yt-dlp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I >> [youtube] Extracting URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I >> [youtube] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading webpage >> [youtube] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading android player API JSON >> [info] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading 1 format(s): 248+251 >> [download] Destination: Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - >> Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].f248.webm >> [download] 100% of 50.64MiB in 00:00:05 at 8.45MiB/s >> [download] Destination: Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - >> Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].f251.webm >> [download] 100% of 3.85MiB in 00:00:00 at 6.28MiB/s >> [Merger] Merging formats into "Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - >> Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].webm" >> Remember to remove any unmerged files as appropriate. >> $ >> >> Whether you can download that would determine where you go from here. >> >> Cheers, >> David. >> > Fri Mar 31 02:18:31 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$yt-dlp > https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng > > [generic] > expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: > Requesting header > WARNING: [generic] Falling back on generic information extractor. > [generic] > expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: > Downloading webpage > [generic] > expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: > Extracting information > ERROR: Unsupported URL: > https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng > > Fri Mar 31 02:19:05 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$ > > > .. > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > (UTC+0800) > .. > > I was successful at downloading the video with: > yt-dlp --verbose -k --ignore-config -c > https://manifest.prod.boltdns.net/manifest/v1/hls/v4/clear/1241706627001/83ddeca4-2e3a-4149-840f-0ca907c2cb59/10s/master.m3u8?fastly_token=NjQyNjYyOWZfOTIzNjUyM2MwN2JlZTI3NjdhNDcwMjM4ZjhmNmY1MmRiZTQxMzM5ZTllOTYyM2E3YTkxZWNhOGQxYmY1YTU0OA%3D%3D after finishing download, i found the file > master-master.mp4 Dont ask me, how i did this, because i dont know, just happened to work.
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
Hello Brad, 30 mars 2023, 23:20 de b...@fineby.me.uk: > >In your case, yt-dlp falls back on its generic extractor (documentation > >says "Generic downloader that works on some sites") but it doesn't work > >for familysearch.org visibly... > > Largely, I suspect, it's because to access video on that FamilySearch > page, one is required to be logged in. IDK whether yt-dlp can handle > that. > Interesting theory but I can play that specific video in my browser without being logged in ;) l0f4r0
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 22:55:05 +0200 (CEST)
l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
Hello l0f...@tuta.io,
>In your case, yt-dlp falls back on its generic extractor (documentation
>says "Generic downloader that works on some sites") but it doesn't work
>for familysearch.org visibly...
Largely, I suspect, it's because to access video on that FamilySearch
page, one is required to be logged in. IDK whether yt-dlp can handle
that.
--
Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
Success defined by acquisition stinks
Money is Not Our God - Killing Joke
pgpKN1faLi1Xv.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
Hello, 30 mars 2023, 20:46 de b...@busby.net: > Fri Mar 31 02:18:31 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$yt-dlp > https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng > [generic] > expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: > Requesting header > WARNING: [generic] Falling back on generic information extractor. > [generic] > expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: > Downloading webpage > [generic] > expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: > Extracting information > ERROR: Unsupported URL: > https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng > Fri Mar 31 02:19:05 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$ > yt-dlp cannot download videos from every and each websites on the internet. You can find the compatible websites here: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/supportedsites.md In your case, yt-dlp falls back on its generic extractor (documentation says "Generic downloader that works on some sites") but it doesn't work for familysearch.org visibly... As mentioned by David, you should try the following command to see (hopefully) that your yt-dlp works just fine: yt-dlp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I l0f4r0
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On 31/3/23 02:08, David Wright wrote: On Fri 31 Mar 2023 at 01:41:04 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: On 31/3/23 00:40, David Wright wrote: On Thu 30 Mar 2023 at 19:31:21 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. AIUI youtube-dl is now obsolete, and its new spelling is yt-dlp. You can download it from bullseye-backports. If you're a backports user, just install it and check out the CLI options you normally use, in case they've been tweaked, with: $ yt-dlp -help | less And, I had been able to download videos from some streaming hosts, but, find that I cannot download videos from other streaming hosts. By download, I mean saving to my computer - so that I can get continuity, and, replay the streamed videos at slower speeds, and, manipulate the sound, so that I (having a hearing disability that affects my ability to hear what is spoken) can better hear what is being said, which is important for educational videos, such as at Rootstech 2023, where I cannot download significant videos. The yt-dlp dependencies are all unversioned, so rather than put backports into my sources.list, I just checked that I had them all, downloaded yt-dlp….deb from the Packages page, and installed it with theapt-get install /full-path-to/yt-dlp….debsyntax. (The backports youtube-dl package used to get very long in the tooth at times, so I've done this frequently in the past.) Whenever downloading fails, I check out whether there's a more up-to-date version with the yt-dlp -U option. Apparently there's a bug in yt-dlp at the moment, but I don't think either of us uses mpv /with/ the downloader, but only /after/ downloading has completed. I had downloaded and installed yt-dlp, but, that did not work, either. Writing "did not work" just doesn't cut it on this list: we need some specifics. Here's an example I ran this morning on a reference given by David Christensen: $ gy bKzonnwoR2I /usr/bin/yt-dlp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I [youtube] Extracting URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I [youtube] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading webpage [youtube] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading android player API JSON [info] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading 1 format(s): 248+251 [download] Destination: Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].f248.webm [download] 100% of 50.64MiB in 00:00:05 at 8.45MiB/s [download] Destination: Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].f251.webm [download] 100% of3.85MiB in 00:00:00 at 6.28MiB/s [Merger] Merging formats into "Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].webm" Remember to remove any unmerged files as appropriate. $ Whether you can download that would determine where you go from here. Cheers, David. Fri Mar 31 02:18:31 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$yt-dlp https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng [generic] expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: Requesting header WARNING: [generic] Falling back on generic information extractor. [generic] expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: Downloading webpage [generic] expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng: Extracting information ERROR: Unsupported URL: https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/expanding-your-family-tree-with-sideview-and-more-innovations-from-ancestrydna?lang=eng Fri Mar 31 02:19:05 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$ .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 01:08:19PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 31 Mar 2023 at 01:41:04 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: [...] > Writing "did not work" just doesn't cut it on this list: > we need some specifics. Here's an example I ran this > morning on a reference given by David Christensen: This is more or less I thought at the first post: "not work" doesn't work here. For me, youtube-dl works most of the time. But this will almost certainly be a complex function of the downloader's location and the video in question, so... One thing I found out is that youtube-dl's cache seems to suffer poisoning from time to time (no wonder, with all that toxic javascript out there). A timely youtube-dl --rm-cache-dir got it unstuck for me once (meaning that a video which threw a 403 before downloaded nicely after). YMMV and things. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On Fri 31 Mar 2023 at 01:41:04 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 31/3/23 00:40, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 30 Mar 2023 at 19:31:21 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > > > > > I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from > > > youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. > > > > AIUI youtube-dl is now obsolete, and its new spelling is yt-dlp. > > > > You can download it from bullseye-backports. If you're a backports > > user, just install it and check out the CLI options you normally > > use, in case they've been tweaked, with: > > > >$ yt-dlp -help | less > > > > > And, I had been able to download videos from some streaming hosts, > > > but, find that I cannot download videos from other streaming hosts. > > > > > > By download, I mean saving to my computer - so that I can get > > > continuity, and, replay the streamed videos at slower speeds, and, > > > manipulate the sound, so that I (having a hearing disability that > > > affects my ability to hear what is spoken) can better hear what is > > > being said, which is important for educational videos, such as at > > > Rootstech 2023, where I cannot download significant videos. > > > > The yt-dlp dependencies are all unversioned, so rather than put > > backports into my sources.list, I just checked that I had them all, > > downloaded yt-dlp….deb from the Packages page, and installed it with > > theapt-get install /full-path-to/yt-dlp….debsyntax. > > (The backports youtube-dl package used to get very long in the tooth > > at times, so I've done this frequently in the past.) Whenever > > downloading fails, I check out whether there's a more up-to-date > > version with the yt-dlp -U option. > > > > Apparently there's a bug in yt-dlp at the moment, but I don't think > > either of us uses mpv /with/ the downloader, but only /after/ > > downloading has completed. > > > I had downloaded and installed yt-dlp, but, that did not work, either. Writing "did not work" just doesn't cut it on this list: we need some specifics. Here's an example I ran this morning on a reference given by David Christensen: $ gy bKzonnwoR2I /usr/bin/yt-dlp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I [youtube] Extracting URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzonnwoR2I [youtube] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading webpage [youtube] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading android player API JSON [info] bKzonnwoR2I: Downloading 1 format(s): 248+251 [download] Destination: Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].f248.webm [download] 100% of 50.64MiB in 00:00:05 at 8.45MiB/s [download] Destination: Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].f251.webm [download] 100% of3.85MiB in 00:00:00 at 6.28MiB/s [Merger] Merging formats into "Unix Pipeline (Brian Kernighan) - Computerphile [bKzonnwoR2I].webm" Remember to remove any unmerged files as appropriate. $ Whether you can download that would determine where you go from here. Cheers, David.
Re: youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On 31/3/23 00:40, David Wright wrote: On Thu 30 Mar 2023 at 19:31:21 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. AIUI youtube-dl is now obsolete, and its new spelling is yt-dlp. You can download it from bullseye-backports. If you're a backports user, just install it and check out the CLI options you normally use, in case they've been tweaked, with: $ yt-dlp -help | less And, I had been able to download videos from some streaming hosts, but, find that I cannot download videos from other streaming hosts. By download, I mean saving to my computer - so that I can get continuity, and, replay the streamed videos at slower speeds, and, manipulate the sound, so that I (having a hearing disability that affects my ability to hear what is spoken) can better hear what is being said, which is important for educational videos, such as at Rootstech 2023, where I cannot download significant videos. The yt-dlp dependencies are all unversioned, so rather than put backports into my sources.list, I just checked that I had them all, downloaded yt-dlp….deb from the Packages page, and installed it with theapt-get install /full-path-to/yt-dlp….debsyntax. (The backports youtube-dl package used to get very long in the tooth at times, so I've done this frequently in the past.) Whenever downloading fails, I check out whether there's a more up-to-date version with the yt-dlp -U option. Apparently there's a bug in yt-dlp at the moment, but I don't think either of us uses mpv /with/ the downloader, but only /after/ downloading has completed. Cheers, David. I had downloaded and installed yt-dlp, but, that did not work, either. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
youtube-dl → yt-dlp, was Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On Thu 30 Mar 2023 at 19:31:21 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from > youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. AIUI youtube-dl is now obsolete, and its new spelling is yt-dlp. You can download it from bullseye-backports. If you're a backports user, just install it and check out the CLI options you normally use, in case they've been tweaked, with: $ yt-dlp -help | less > And, I had been able to download videos from some streaming hosts, > but, find that I cannot download videos from other streaming hosts. > > By download, I mean saving to my computer - so that I can get > continuity, and, replay the streamed videos at slower speeds, and, > manipulate the sound, so that I (having a hearing disability that > affects my ability to hear what is spoken) can better hear what is > being said, which is important for educational videos, such as at > Rootstech 2023, where I cannot download significant videos. The yt-dlp dependencies are all unversioned, so rather than put backports into my sources.list, I just checked that I had them all, downloaded yt-dlp….deb from the Packages page, and installed it with theapt-get install /full-path-to/yt-dlp….debsyntax. (The backports youtube-dl package used to get very long in the tooth at times, so I've done this frequently in the past.) Whenever downloading fails, I check out whether there's a more up-to-date version with the yt-dlp -U option. Apparently there's a bug in yt-dlp at the moment, but I don't think either of us uses mpv /with/ the downloader, but only /after/ downloading has completed. Cheers, David.
Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On 2023-03-30, Bret Busby wrote: > > I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from > youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. > If you're not using the latest version, this is it: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2021.12.17.tar.gz I used this (or maybe a previous version) not too long ago, and it worked as intended.
Re: OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On 30/3/23 19:11, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 26, 2023 04:21:00 PM Cindy Sue Causey wrote: One last thought is I read somewhere that ISPs, especially smaller ones, have been caught throttling users based on type of usage even though the same ISPs label their services as unlimited. Conspiracy theories tossed aside, that's still a rational possibility that needs pursued on my end here. BUT THEN... Google Chrome does work properly. That's why I haven't wasted any time nor brain storage on actively investigating local ISP throttling as a most likely answer. :) I suspect my ISP (Earthlink) may be throttling me. Not too long ago, I could watch (stream) TV programs on PlutoTV (on my DSL line (I know)) but could not stream movies (and I assumed the movies might have had a higher resolution and thus required more bandwidth). But, a few months ago, I was no longer able to stream TV shows. I guess I could run a speed check on my line and compare to some older results, but I can imagine the speed test could be fooled (maybe they've throttled my connection either for specific IPs / websites, or maybe for specific "classes" of data. Any other suggestions? I am wondering whether the problem with the streaming, involves changes made by the streaming hosts. I had previously been able to use youtube-dl, to download videos from youtube, but, it no longer works with youtube. And, I had been able to download videos from some streaming hosts, but, find that I cannot download videos from other streaming hosts. By download, I mean saving to my computer - so that I can get continuity, and, replay the streamed videos at slower speeds, and, manipulate the sound, so that I (having a hearing disability that affects my ability to hear what is spoken) can better hear what is being said, which is important for educational videos, such as at Rootstech 2023, where I cannot download significant videos. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
OT: Detecting ISP throttling (was: Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.)
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 04:21:00 PM Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > One last thought is I read somewhere that ISPs, especially smaller > ones, have been caught throttling users based on type of usage even > though the same ISPs label their services as unlimited. Conspiracy > theories tossed aside, that's still a rational possibility that needs > pursued on my end here. > > BUT THEN... Google Chrome does work properly. That's why I haven't > wasted any time nor brain storage on actively investigating local ISP > throttling as a most likely answer. :) I suspect my ISP (Earthlink) may be throttling me. Not too long ago, I could watch (stream) TV programs on PlutoTV (on my DSL line (I know)) but could not stream movies (and I assumed the movies might have had a higher resolution and thus required more bandwidth). But, a few months ago, I was no longer able to stream TV shows. I guess I could run a speed check on my line and compare to some older results, but I can imagine the speed test could be fooled (maybe they've throttled my connection either for specific IPs / websites, or maybe for specific "classes" of data. Any other suggestions? -- rhk (sig revised 20230312 -- modified first paragraph, some other irrelevant wordsmithing) | No entity has permission to use this email to train an AI. If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma (and semi-colon) included at no charge.) If you revise the topic, change the Subject: line. If you change the topic, start a new thread. Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal documents excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace (short paragraphs, separated by whitespace / blank lines) and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and references. If someone has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words. A video (or "audio"): not so much -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original. A speaker who uses ahhs, ums, or such may have a real physical or mental disability, or may be showing disrespect for his listeners by not properly preparing in advance and thinking before speaking. (That speaker might have been "trained" to do this by being interrupted often if he pauses.) (Remember Cicero who did not have enough time to write a short missive.) A radio (or TV) station which broadcasts speakers with high pitched voices (or very low pitched / gravelly voices) (which older people might not be able to hear properly) disrespects its listeners. Likewise if it broadcasts extraneous or disturbing sounds (like gunfire or crying), or broadcasts speakers using their native language (with or without an overdubbed translation). A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects (and offends) a large number of readers. ;-) '
Re: Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.
On 3/26/23, Juan R.D. Silva wrote: > Hi folks, > > Debian Bullseye here up to date. Browsers installed: Firefox, Opera, > Vivaldi, and Google Chrome. > > I'm having a weird problem streaming movies from archive.org. The movies > are lagging & keep buffering in all browsers but Google Chrome. Google > Chrome streams same movies at the same time without any stuttering. > > So far I've notices it using on archive.org only, so I'm not sure if the > problem is on my side or on archive.org. The problem is rather recent > but persistent and in last days get really bad. At first, I just came in to say, "Yeah, me, too." It's with CSI (Las Vegas style) on pluto(dot)tv. Since I background that as a mood enhancer, I pretty much don't notice. When viewed, it seems to somehow aesthetically fit that series. Pinterest website has been doing weird things, too. Last few days I'm lucky if a fifth of each of their webpages loads. If I want to view the videos they're pushing, I have to copy and paste over to Google Chrome. Pinterest then pretty much runs seamlessly on that, too. Since you've tested several other web browsers, I wonder if they're all using something similar, thus similarly buggy, as a building block in their projects. Important to note is mine is straight from Mozilla's website. I can't remember what was buggy, but that's always the reason I go straight to them out of exasperation. Next it came to mind to think maybe there's a setting buried within each browser's preferences. And so I checked Firefox. There's a picture-in-picture option that I just toggled OFF. Just rebooted because something was odd with RAM (2.5GB still in use) after all program were closed. That step-by-step download buffering effect isn't showing on Firefox now, at least in my case, I suppose it could be about multiple copies somehow conflicting.. or something along those lines, anyway. Time will tell if it's about something else should the buffering effect start up again. Instead of wading through installing Opera and Vivaldi, I hit up a search engine. Both browsers can be found offering tips on how to set their own picture-in-picture offerings. Google Chrome has it, too, but it was hard to find. Mine's under chrome://flags (per the Internet) then search for picture-in-picture. It's set at default then also offers enabled and disabled. I can't tell which mine is set at, and I'm not up for experimenting. Experiments is coincidentally a word you'll see if you visit that address. One last thought is I read somewhere that ISPs, especially smaller ones, have been caught throttling users based on type of usage even though the same ISPs label their services as unlimited. Conspiracy theories tossed aside, that's still a rational possibility that needs pursued on my end here. BUT THEN... Google Chrome does work properly. That's why I haven't wasted any time nor brain storage on actively investigating local ISP throttling as a most likely answer. :) For whatever it's worth in their parts as players, I'm using: * Sid identifying itself to hardinfo as Debian 12 Bookworm * Kernel 6.1.20-1 (2023-03-19) x86_64 * AMD A10-5750M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics * pavucontrol to toggle sounds on LXQt desktop * 16GB RAM that Firefox REGULARLY eats alive thus triggering ongoing restarts * Zero SWAP in use with 8GB unmounted on standby if needed * 2.56 GHz quad core that seems to never change from 2500 according to hardinfo. In the past, other laptops have fluctuated all over their respective ranges. Probably overkill in sharing, but you never know what ultimately might be a causative. Cindy :) Update: Pinterest is still not working. PlutoTV's CSI is still running much more smoothly a couple of hours after toggling picture-in-picture off, BUT I think I'm starting to see a small hint of buffering coming back. "free -m" shows RAM at 7.4GB available. It will be a couple hours before that gets eaten up. When it does, that will help show how much of an effect memory has in my instance of this. Notable: Back over at Firefox again: Under its Settings > Privacy & Security, I accidentally found the following likewise toggled ON: Firefox Data Collection and Use * Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla * Allow Firefox to make personalized extension recommendations * Allow Firefox to install and run studies * Allow Firefox to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf Included for whatever it's worth since the topic of browsers' negative effect on computer memory seems to come up enough to be considered a thing... that would help make it a suspect in this buffering question. -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Potentially OT. Videos lagging & buffering in any browser but Google Chrome.
Hi folks, Debian Bullseye here up to date. Browsers installed: Firefox, Opera, Vivaldi, and Google Chrome. I'm having a weird problem streaming movies from archive.org. The movies are lagging & keep buffering in all browsers but Google Chrome. Google Chrome streams same movies at the same time without any stuttering. So far I've notices it using on archive.org only, so I'm not sure if the problem is on my side or on archive.org. The problem is rather recent but persistent and in last days get really bad. Any suggestions? Thanks.
