Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On 2015-05-30, Stefan Malte Schumacher stefanma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I have. You have the non-free archive mentioned in your /etc/apt/sources.list? You need contrib also, it would appear. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmmlna5.21r.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On 2015-05-30, Stefan Malte Schumacher stefanma...@gmail.com wrote: Hello This is the english version of the output of aptitude. You have the non-free archive mentioned in your /etc/apt/sources.list? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmmjq9n.1v0.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
Yes, I have. 2015-05-30 18:45 GMT+02:00 Curt cu...@free.fr: On 2015-05-30, Stefan Malte Schumacher stefanma...@gmail.com wrote: Hello This is the english version of the output of aptitude. You have the non-free archive mentioned in your /etc/apt/sources.list? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmmjq9n.1v0.cu...@einstein.electron.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAKJwqUNdRPR_Gq4CVUZa=ampemduovpvrutjkwat_h_kz11...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On 05/30/2015 04:18 PM, Stefan Malte Schumacher wrote:
Hello
I am trying to install the proprietary Nvidia-Drivers on my Laptop. I
have read
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22
and have entered the following command according to the description:
aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
nvidia-kernel-dkms
As a result I get the the output following this section. How should I proceed?
Unfortunately using Noveau is not an alternative since the current version has
a bug which causes my screen to flicker, making it practically unreadable.
Thanks in advance
Stefan
root@deimos:~# aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
libegl1-nvidia{a} libgl1-nvidia-glx{ab} libgles1-nvidia{a}
libgles2-nvidia{a} libnvidia-eglcore{a} libnvidia-ml1{a} nvidia-alternative{ab}
nvidia-driver{ab} nvidia-driver-bin{a} nvidia-kernel-dkms{b}
nvidia-vdpau-driver{ab} xserver-xorg-video-nvidia{ab}
0 Pakete aktualisiert, 12 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 0 nicht
aktualisiert.
23,8 MB an Archiven müssen heruntergeladen werden. Nach dem Entpacken werden
133 MB zusätzlich belegt sein.
Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
nvidia-alternative : Hängt ab von: glx-alternative-nvidia (= 0.5), welches
ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von: nvidia-modprobe, welches ein virtuelles
Paket ist.
nvidia-driver : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support, welches ein virtuelles Paket
ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches ein
virtuelles Paket ist.
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support (= 20120630),
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
libgl1-nvidia-glx : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support, welches ein virtuelles
Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches
ein virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-kernel-dkms : Hängt ab von: nvidia-kernel-common (= 20110213),
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches
ein virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-vdpau-driver : Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:
Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
1) libegl1-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
2) libgl1-nvidia-glx [Nicht installiert]
3) libgles1-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
4) libgles2-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
5) libnvidia-ml1 [Nicht installiert]
6) nvidia-alternative [Nicht installiert]
7) nvidia-driver [Nicht installiert]
8) nvidia-driver-bin [Nicht installiert]
9) nvidia-kernel-dkms [Nicht installiert]
10) nvidia-vdpau-driver [Nicht installiert]
11) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
Die folgenden Abhängigkeiten unaufgelöst lassen:
12) nvidia-driver empfiehlt libgles1-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
13) nvidia-driver empfiehlt libgles2-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
14) nvidia-driver-bin empfiehlt nvidia-driver
15) nvidia-kernel-dkms empfiehlt nvidia-driver (= 340.65) | libcuda1 (=
340.65)
16) nvidia-vdpau-driver empfiehlt nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 340.65-2) |
nvidia-kernel-340.65
17) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-driver (= 340.65)
18) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-vdpau-driver (= 340.65)
19) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 340.65-2) |
nvidia-kernel-340.65
Hi,
Some questions:
- Which release are you running? Jessie?
- Do you have contrib and non-free included in your apt sources? Maybe
paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list here.
- Do you have other (3rd party) apt sources, maybe in sources.list.d?
glx-alternative-nvidia being a virtual package, strikes me as odd.
Best regards,
Matthijs
Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On 05/30/2015 01:54 PM, Matthijs Wensveen wrote: glx-alternative-nvidia being a virtual package, strikes me as odd. It just whirrs a bit and sets alternatives for GLX libs to nvidia directories rather than Mesa, and then goes away. It's like oatmeal in the morning, it's always there. :) Ric p/s If the OP has one of the newest nVidia cards, there are some laptop issues requiring more than plain nvidia drivers. I forget the name of the special install system. But, the Op can just go to the nvidia site for more info on his card's driver requirements Or, he could rip out ALL nvidia installed packages, (apt-get purge nvidia*) to create a clean slate, and re-install. I've had to resort to that more than once over the years. Be sure to keep a copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere safe, like the /home/$USERNAME directory, in case you need it again. http://linuxconfig.org/nvidia-geforce-driver-installation-on-debian-jessie-linux-8-64bit -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/556a2386.10...@gmail.com
Problem installing nvidia-drivers
Hello
I am trying to install the proprietary Nvidia-Drivers on my Laptop. I have
read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22
and have entered the following command according to the description:
aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
nvidia-kernel-dkms
As a result I get the the output following this section. How should I
proceed? Unfortunately using Noveau is not an alternative since the
current version has a bug which causes my screen to flicker, making it
practically unreadable.
Thanks in advance
Stefan
root@deimos:~# aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
libegl1-nvidia{a} libgl1-nvidia-glx{ab} libgles1-nvidia{a}
libgles2-nvidia{a} libnvidia-eglcore{a} libnvidia-ml1{a}
nvidia-alternative{ab} nvidia-driver{ab} nvidia-driver-bin{a}
nvidia-kernel-dkms{b}
nvidia-vdpau-driver{ab} xserver-xorg-video-nvidia{ab}
0 Pakete aktualisiert, 12 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt
und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
23,8 MB an Archiven müssen heruntergeladen werden. Nach dem Entpacken
werden 133 MB zusätzlich belegt sein.
Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
nvidia-alternative : Hängt ab von: glx-alternative-nvidia (= 0.5),
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von: nvidia-modprobe, welches ein
virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-driver : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support, welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support (=
20120630), welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher):
nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
libgl1-nvidia-glx : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support, welches ein
virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-kernel-dkms : Hängt ab von: nvidia-kernel-common (=
20110213), welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-vdpau-driver : Hängt ab von (vorher):
nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:
Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
1) libegl1-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
2) libgl1-nvidia-glx [Nicht installiert]
3) libgles1-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
4) libgles2-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
5) libnvidia-ml1 [Nicht installiert]
6) nvidia-alternative [Nicht installiert]
7) nvidia-driver [Nicht installiert]
8) nvidia-driver-bin [Nicht installiert]
9) nvidia-kernel-dkms [Nicht installiert]
10) nvidia-vdpau-driver [Nicht installiert]
11) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
Die folgenden Abhängigkeiten unaufgelöst lassen:
12) nvidia-driver empfiehlt libgles1-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
13) nvidia-driver empfiehlt libgles2-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
14) nvidia-driver-bin empfiehlt nvidia-driver
15) nvidia-kernel-dkms empfiehlt nvidia-driver (= 340.65) |
libcuda1 (= 340.65)
16) nvidia-vdpau-driver empfiehlt nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 340.65-2)
| nvidia-kernel-340.65
17) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-driver (= 340.65)
18) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-vdpau-driver (=
340.65)
19) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-kernel-dkms (=
340.65-2) | nvidia-kernel-340.65
Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On Saturday 30 May 2015 15:18:34 Stefan Malte Schumacher wrote:
Hello
I am trying to install the proprietary Nvidia-Drivers on my Laptop. I have
read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22
and have entered the following command according to the description:
aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
nvidia-kernel-dkms
As a result I get the the output following this section. How should I
proceed? Unfortunately using Noveau is not an alternative since the
current version has a bug which causes my screen to flicker, making it
practically unreadable.
I have installed the proprietary NVidia driver without a problem, but I'm
afraid that my German is not up to helping with this.
See:
http://serverfault.com/questions/71026/change-the-locale-language-of-apt-get-aptitude
and perhaps try again?
Lisi
Thanks in advance
Stefan
root@deimos:~# aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
libegl1-nvidia{a} libgl1-nvidia-glx{ab} libgles1-nvidia{a}
libgles2-nvidia{a} libnvidia-eglcore{a} libnvidia-ml1{a}
nvidia-alternative{ab} nvidia-driver{ab} nvidia-driver-bin{a}
nvidia-kernel-dkms{b}
nvidia-vdpau-driver{ab} xserver-xorg-video-nvidia{ab}
0 Pakete aktualisiert, 12 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt
und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
23,8 MB an Archiven müssen heruntergeladen werden. Nach dem Entpacken
werden 133 MB zusätzlich belegt sein.
Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
nvidia-alternative : Hängt ab von: glx-alternative-nvidia (= 0.5),
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von: nvidia-modprobe, welches ein
virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-driver : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support, welches ein virtuelles Paket
ist. Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support (=
20120630), welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher):
nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
libgl1-nvidia-glx : Hängt ab von: nvidia-support, welches ein
virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-kernel-dkms : Hängt ab von: nvidia-kernel-common (=
20110213), welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Hängt ab von (vorher): nvidia-installer-cleanup,
welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
nvidia-vdpau-driver : Hängt ab von (vorher):
nvidia-installer-cleanup, welches ein virtuelles Paket ist.
Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:
Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
1) libegl1-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
2) libgl1-nvidia-glx [Nicht installiert]
3) libgles1-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
4) libgles2-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
5) libnvidia-ml1 [Nicht installiert]
6) nvidia-alternative [Nicht installiert]
7) nvidia-driver [Nicht installiert]
8) nvidia-driver-bin [Nicht installiert]
9) nvidia-kernel-dkms [Nicht installiert]
10) nvidia-vdpau-driver [Nicht installiert]
11) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia [Nicht installiert]
Die folgenden Abhängigkeiten unaufgelöst lassen:
12) nvidia-driver empfiehlt libgles1-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
13) nvidia-driver empfiehlt libgles2-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
14) nvidia-driver-bin empfiehlt nvidia-driver
15) nvidia-kernel-dkms empfiehlt nvidia-driver (= 340.65) |
libcuda1 (= 340.65)
16) nvidia-vdpau-driver empfiehlt nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 340.65-2)
| nvidia-kernel-340.65
17) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-driver (= 340.65)
18) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-vdpau-driver (=
340.65)
19) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia empfiehlt nvidia-kernel-dkms (=
340.65-2) | nvidia-kernel-340.65
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Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
Hello
This is the english version of the output of aptitude.
aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
nvidia-kernel-dkmsThe following NEW packages will be installed:
libegl1-nvidia{a} libgl1-nvidia-glx{ab} libgles1-nvidia{a}
libgles2-nvidia{a} libnvidia-eglcore{a}
libnvidia-ml1{a} nvidia-alternative{ab} nvidia-driver{ab}
nvidia-driver-bin{a} nvidia-kernel-dkms{b}
nvidia-vdpau-driver{ab} xserver-xorg-video-nvidia{ab}
0 packages upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 23.8 MB of archives. After unpacking 133 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
nvidia-alternative : Depends: glx-alternative-nvidia (= 0.5) which
is a virtual package.
Depends: nvidia-modprobe which is a virtual package.
nvidia-driver : Depends: nvidia-support which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia : Depends: nvidia-support (= 20120630)
which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup
which is a virtual package.
libgl1-nvidia-glx : Depends: nvidia-support which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
nvidia-kernel-dkms : Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (= 20110213)
which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
nvidia-vdpau-driver : PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Keep the following packages at their current version:
1) libegl1-nvidia [Not Installed]
2) libgl1-nvidia-glx [Not Installed]
3) libgles1-nvidia [Not Installed]
4) libgles2-nvidia [Not Installed]
5) libnvidia-ml1 [Not Installed]
6) nvidia-alternative [Not Installed]
7) nvidia-driver [Not Installed]
8) nvidia-driver-bin [Not Installed]
9) nvidia-kernel-dkms [Not Installed]
10) nvidia-vdpau-driver [Not Installed]
11) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia [Not Installed]
Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
12) nvidia-driver recommends libgles1-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
13) nvidia-driver recommends libgles2-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
14) nvidia-driver-bin recommends nvidia-driver
15) nvidia-kernel-dkms recommends nvidia-driver (= 340.65) |
libcuda1 (= 340.65)
16) nvidia-vdpau-driver recommends nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 340.65-2)
| nvidia-kernel-340.65
17) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia recommends nvidia-driver (= 340.65)
18) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia recommends nvidia-vdpau-driver (=
340.65)
19) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia recommends nvidia-kernel-dkms (=
340.65-2) | nvidia-kernel-340.65
Bye
Stefan
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Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On 30/05/2015, Stefan Malte Schumacher stefanma...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I am trying to install the proprietary Nvidia-Drivers on my Laptop. Hello. Whilst the above scenario relates to Debian 8, what is the nVidia device that you have in your laptop? I have not yet resolved a problem with a system that I have, that involves an nVidia GEForce GT-750M, and, if your nVidia device happened to be the same, perhaps, when a solution to your problem is found, it may also solve my problem, in previous versions of Debian.. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8Mg+YQKmDFRGC2GscKpz4VBvs+fa=zprkps3urfulq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Problem installing nvidia-drivers
On Saturday 30 May 2015 15:36:52 Stefan Malte Schumacher wrote:
Hello
This is the english version of the output of aptitude.
aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
nvidia-kernel-dkmsThe following NEW packages will be installed:
libegl1-nvidia{a} libgl1-nvidia-glx{ab} libgles1-nvidia{a}
libgles2-nvidia{a} libnvidia-eglcore{a}
libnvidia-ml1{a} nvidia-alternative{ab} nvidia-driver{ab}
nvidia-driver-bin{a} nvidia-kernel-dkms{b}
nvidia-vdpau-driver{ab} xserver-xorg-video-nvidia{ab}
0 packages upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 23.8 MB of archives. After unpacking 133 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
nvidia-alternative : Depends: glx-alternative-nvidia (= 0.5) which
is a virtual package.
Depends: nvidia-modprobe which is a virtual package.
nvidia-driver : Depends: nvidia-support which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia : Depends: nvidia-support (= 20120630)
which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup
which is a virtual package.
libgl1-nvidia-glx : Depends: nvidia-support which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
nvidia-kernel-dkms : Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (= 20110213)
which is a virtual package.
PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
nvidia-vdpau-driver : PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup which is a
virtual package.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Keep the following packages at their current version:
1) libegl1-nvidia [Not Installed]
2) libgl1-nvidia-glx [Not Installed]
3) libgles1-nvidia [Not Installed]
4) libgles2-nvidia [Not Installed]
5) libnvidia-ml1 [Not Installed]
6) nvidia-alternative [Not Installed]
7) nvidia-driver [Not Installed]
8) nvidia-driver-bin [Not Installed]
9) nvidia-kernel-dkms [Not Installed]
10) nvidia-vdpau-driver [Not Installed]
11) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia [Not Installed]
Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
12) nvidia-driver recommends libgles1-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
13) nvidia-driver recommends libgles2-nvidia (= 340.65-2)
14) nvidia-driver-bin recommends nvidia-driver
15) nvidia-kernel-dkms recommends nvidia-driver (= 340.65) |
libcuda1 (= 340.65)
16) nvidia-vdpau-driver recommends nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 340.65-2)
| nvidia-kernel-340.65
17) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia recommends nvidia-driver (= 340.65)
18) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia recommends nvidia-vdpau-driver (=
340.65)
19) xserver-xorg-video-nvidia recommends nvidia-kernel-dkms (=
340.65-2) | nvidia-kernel-340.65
Sorry - things have moved on! I installed NVidia over two years ago, on
Wheezy. I initially used nouveau, but it wasn't satisfactory, so as seemed
to be the only alternative at the time, I installed the relevant proprietary
driver from the NVidia website.
It works beautifully. Apart from updates, I have done nothing for over two
years!
I could look up details, I hope, but they are unlikely to be helpful to you,
having seen this.
Lisi
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