Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Vi, 16 mar 12, 11:26:53, Bret Busby wrote: > > I "burnt it to disk", using the drag and drop thing within File > Manager on an existing installation of Debian 6, on a 64 bit machine > (installed from the Debian 6.03 AMD64 CD1 ISO CD), and tried to > install from that. > > In booting the laptop with that disk, I got the error "Non system > disk or disk error". > > It took several hours to download that image, and it does not work. If you try to access the disk what do you see, one .iso file or several other files. You may want to read http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#what-is Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:22:35 +, Brian wrote in message <20120320122235.GC4889@desktop>: > On Tue 20 Mar 2012 at 11:14:28 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > > I answered NO to the firmware question for the wireless NIC driver > > (it is unfortunate that the question does not indicate that it is > > for a wireless device, otherwise I would have answered No from the > > start, and > > The dialogue names the missing firmware files. At the bottom of the > box it says 'Please Google this if you do not know what it means'. ..that assumes we have Google et al available e.g. online or on the phone. ..and that assumption does not work for me, I'm too far from the "civilized" world. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120320185603.67889...@nb6.lan
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
Bret Busby wrote: > I gave it another try last night, using the Debian 6.03 CD 1 that I > had created using Ubuntu 10.04 (I had installed Debian 6 on this > computer, using a disc similarly dreated using Ubuntu 10.04) a while > ago. I am glad to hear that you didn't give up. > I answered NO to the firmware question for the wireless NIC driver > (it is unfortunate that the question does not indicate that it is > for a wireless device, otherwise I would have answered No from the > start, and saved all the trouble and the coasters), At that point only the Linux kernel knows that information. IIRC the Linux kernel is looking up the device id in its table of device ids and mapping that to a device driver name and asking for an associated binary blob. That information isn't available to the installer. It is just passing it along to the user. The device driver could be anything. Although I suppose a data table in the installer could be maintained with that information. However it is always bad to have that information needed to be maintained in two separate places and in sync at all times. That would be a nightmare to maintain. > and then proceeded through the installation without any problems, > and now have an apparently functional installation of Debian 6.03 on > the NX5000. Good to hear. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Tue 20 Mar 2012 at 11:14:28 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > I answered NO to the firmware question for the wireless NIC driver (it > is unfortunate that the question does not indicate that it is for a > wireless device, otherwise I would have answered No from the start, and The dialogue names the missing firmware files. At the bottom of the box it says 'Please Google this if you do not know what it means'. But the font for the message is very, very tiny and easily missed. > saved all the trouble and the coasters), and then proceeded through the > installation without any problems, and now have an apparently functional > installation of Debian 6.03 on the NX5000. Good. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120320122235.GC4889@desktop
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On 20/03/12 14:14, Bret Busby wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> >>> >>> On 19/03/12 16:11, Bret Busby wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Brian wrote: > >> >> On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> >>> I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) >>> or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are >>> bad. >>> >>> But, it does not work. >> >>> >>> I suppose it is possible that the reason that the repositories mirrors cannot be accessed, is due to this wireless network device, >>> >>> Yes - it's possible. >>> The routing table on that box will tell you if that is being used as a >>> gateway. >>> >>> # route >>> >>> Alternatively it could be your DNS server (either not working, or >>> miss-set during install). Have a look at /etc/resolv.conf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >> >> I have given up. >> >> I have had repeated attempts to write the Debian 6.04 "x386" DVD, >> using the "CD/DVD Creator" that is the default that came with Debian >> 6, that cannot create a bootable disc, and Brasero that cannot eject >> the disc, and I have not been able to obtain a bootable DVD of the >> Debian 6.04 "x386" version. >> >> It appears that Debian simply does not instal and run on 32 bit Intel >> based chip systems anymore. >> >> All that I have been able to do with Debian 6, in trying to instal it >> on the 32 bit computer, is create coasters, and waste bandwidth with >> the unusable downloads, and I have now, too many Debian 6 32 bit >> coasters. If any of those CD/DVDs pass the md5sum test then you will know whether the image is/was corrupted. The lack of similar bug reports indicates the installer is mostly functional. And we know the sources.list from you install should work. >> >> > > I gave it another try last night, using the Debian 6.03 CD 1 that I had > created using Ubuntu 10.04 (I had installed Debian 6 on this computer, > using a disc similarly dreated using Ubuntu 10.04) a while ago. > > I answered NO to the firmware question for the wireless NIC driver (it > is unfortunate that the question does not indicate that it is for a > wireless device, otherwise I would have answered No from the start, and > saved all the trouble and the coasters), and then proceeded through the > installation without any problems, and now have an apparently functional > installation of Debian 6.03 on the NX5000. So perhaps we can presume the installation setup of the wireless NIC is causing the problem? I vaguely recall issues with a wireless drive (Realtek?) that wouldn't function properly for installs, but worked ok with updates applied after installation. It would have been interesting to see the routing table. No matter - I'm sure your experience will prove useful to others. Glad to hear your perseverance has paid off. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of Book 1 of > "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > A Trilogy In Four Parts", > written by Douglas Adams, > published by Pan Books, 1992 > > > Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f683fa3.50...@gmail.com
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/03/12 16:11, Bret Busby wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Brian wrote: On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. But, it does not work. I suppose it is possible that the reason that the repositories mirrors cannot be accessed, is due to this wireless network device, Yes - it's possible. The routing table on that box will tell you if that is being used as a gateway. # route Alternatively it could be your DNS server (either not working, or miss-set during install). Have a look at /etc/resolv.conf Kind regards I have given up. I have had repeated attempts to write the Debian 6.04 "x386" DVD, using the "CD/DVD Creator" that is the default that came with Debian 6, that cannot create a bootable disc, and Brasero that cannot eject the disc, and I have not been able to obtain a bootable DVD of the Debian 6.04 "x386" version. It appears that Debian simply does not instal and run on 32 bit Intel based chip systems anymore. All that I have been able to do with Debian 6, in trying to instal it on the 32 bit computer, is create coasters, and waste bandwidth with the unusable downloads, and I have now, too many Debian 6 32 bit coasters. I gave it another try last night, using the Debian 6.03 CD 1 that I had created using Ubuntu 10.04 (I had installed Debian 6 on this computer, using a disc similarly dreated using Ubuntu 10.04) a while ago. I answered NO to the firmware question for the wireless NIC driver (it is unfortunate that the question does not indicate that it is for a wireless device, otherwise I would have answered No from the start, and saved all the trouble and the coasters), and then proceeded through the installation without any problems, and now have an apparently functional installation of Debian 6.03 on the NX5000. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203201108300.25...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:30:17 From: Scott Ferguson To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:31:01 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 19/03/12 16:11, Bret Busby wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Brian wrote: On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. But, it does not work. I suppose it is possible that the reason that the repositories mirrors cannot be accessed, is due to this wireless network device, Yes - it's possible. The routing table on that box will tell you if that is being used as a gateway. # route Alternatively it could be your DNS server (either not working, or miss-set during install). Have a look at /etc/resolv.conf Kind regards I have given up. I have had repeated attempts to write the Debian 6.04 "x386" DVD, using the "CD/DVD Creator" that is the default that came with Debian 6, that cannot create a bootable disc, and Brasero that cannot eject the disc, and I have not been able to obtain a bootable DVD of the Debian 6.04 "x386" version. It appears that Debian simply does not instal and run on 32 bit Intel based chip systems anymore. All that I have been able to do with Debian 6, in trying to instal it on the 32 bit computer, is create coasters, and waste bandwidth with the unusable downloads, and I have now, too many Debian 6 32 bit coasters. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203191903280.21...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Mon 19 Mar 2012 at 13:11:38 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > I do not know whether the wireless stuff is the cause of the problem(s) > with the installation process (apart from the Debian 6 CD/DVD Creator > not creating a bootable DVD from the ISO image), but, as the > installation process appears to have enabled the dreaded wireless > network device, whilst I chose the eth0 (wired network card) for > configuring the network, I suppose it is possible that the reason that > the repositories mirrors cannot be accessed, is due to this wireless > network device, which has no device with which to communicate, and > therefore, could be simply "shouting into space", "with no-one to hear > it". The installer would have offered you a choice of two interfaces. What were they called? How were they described? To set up a wireless interface you have to provide a WEP password. From what you say you didn't, so it appears unlikely the network was enabled with the wireless device. I think using d-i in expert mode has been mentioned. Looking at the fourth console (ALT-F4) may also be beneficial. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120319095519.GY4889@desktop
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On 19/03/12 16:11, Bret Busby wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Brian wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >>> I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. But, it does not work. >>> > I suppose it is possible that the reason that the repositories > mirrors cannot be accessed, is due to this wireless network device, Yes - it's possible. The routing table on that box will tell you if that is being used as a gateway. # route Alternatively it could be your DNS server (either not working, or miss-set during install). Have a look at /etc/resolv.conf Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f66e089.6080...@gmail.com
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012, Bret Busby wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Brian wrote: On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. But, it does not work. If not a single mirror works for you it looks like a network problem. Could you beef up on the previous 'IPW something or other'? Was firmware asked for during the install? How did you provide it if it was? Any chance of knowing what the card is and whether you set up the network with DHCP? Cables plugged in tightly? The IPW thing is the firmware required for the network adaptor. I think it is IPW200 or something similar. That is why I had to use the firmware instal, and the only way availabl;e, is using the netinst ISO. The instal process defaulted to setting up DHCP, but that did not work, as the LAN here uses static IP addresses this side of the firewall/gateway computer. I think that the modem/router uses DHCP, and it is thus DHCP from the modem/router to the firewall/gateway computer, and the firewall/gateway computer and everything this side of it, uses static IP addresses. I checked the connections of the CAT5 cable between the NX500 (the laptop on which I have been trying to instal Debian 6) and the switch to which it connects (we are currently using two switches - one down this end of the house, and, onte at the other end of the house, that services the laptop and netbook and tablet computers. The network adaptor in the NX5000, had worked without any problems, with Ubuntu 8.04 and Debian 5 (I think it was Debian 5, rather than Debian 4, that that computer had been running), previous to this installation attempt, and my wife had been using the switych, earlier this evening, without any problem, so the problem appears to be in the installation process. I have found and looked at the specifications for the computer, which are at http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11860_na/11860_na.HTML apart from the new hard drive, which is now a 160GB Samsung, that I have (hopefully, as it is part of the Debian 6 installation process, which has not yet completed) partitioned into a number of partictions. From the sp[ecifications, the IPW x200 firmware thing, is for a wireless network device, and I do not use wireless stuff on computers, so it is superfluous, anyway. The WiFi/wireless device had, in a previous system build process, caused interrupt conflicts, a few years ago, and I had had to resolve the interrupt conflict using an operating system that I did not instal, and, I think that, later, Ubuntu 8.04 overcame the interrupt conflict. I found the WiFi stuff to be a real nuisance. An option, in the installation process; " A wireless device has been found. Do you want to install drivers for it, and be able to use it? Yes ( ) No ( ) " would be good. I have no interest in using WiFi or any other wireless componments in my computers, and so, installing any device drivers, or, being able to use the wireless device, could have been happily bypassed, if the installation process had provided an option for it to be bypassed. I do not know whether the wireless stuff is the cause of the problem(s) with the installation process (apart from the Debian 6 CD/DVD Creator not creating a bootable DVD from the ISO image), but, as the installation process appears to have enabled the dreaded wireless network device, whilst I chose the eth0 (wired network card) for configuring the network, I suppose it is possible that the reason that the repositories mirrors cannot be accessed, is due to this wireless network device, which has no device with which to communicate, and therefore, could be simply "shouting into space", "with no-one to hear it". -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203191256410.13...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 03:13:39AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > The IPW thing is the firmware required for the network adaptor. I > think it is IPW200 or something similar. > > That is why I had to use the firmware instal, and the only way > availabl;e, is using the netinst ISO. http://raphaelhertzog.com/products/debian-cd-dvd/ -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120318081345.GD11367@tal
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:21:13 From: Lisi To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:21:33 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Saturday 17 March 2012 19:56:03 Brian wrote: So you fill in all the fields pertaining to setting up a static address and certify it is correct when asked. I almost always set up a static IP. It is very simple. When the installer asks you, reject the DHCP offer. Lisi The installer does not ask; it automatically goes to setup DHCP. When that fails, then, and only then, does it ask if I want to set up static IP addresses. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203181146410.19...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sat 17 Mar 2012 at 22:01:00 +, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 17 March 2012 20:58:44 Brian wrote: > > > > I do too. But Brett needs to find out whether it works for him. > > Of course. But I thought that he may not know to reject the DHCP offer. It > isn't immediately obvious that doing so will mean that you have the chance to > set up a static IP. And I find that it can help psychologically if you tell > someone that something is easy. That's a good point. I had assumed that when he said DHCP didn't work he had gone for the static setup. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120317225531.GQ4889@desktop
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Saturday 17 March 2012 20:58:44 Brian wrote: > On Sat 17 Mar 2012 at 20:21:13 +, Lisi wrote: > > On Saturday 17 March 2012 19:56:03 Brian wrote: > > > So you fill in all the fields pertaining to setting up a static address > > > and certify it is correct when asked. > > > > I almost always set up a static IP. It is very simple. When the > > installer asks you, reject the DHCP offer. > > I do too. But Brett needs to find out whether it works for him. Of course. But I thought that he may not know to reject the DHCP offer. It isn't immediately obvious that doing so will mean that you have the chance to set up a static IP. And I find that it can help psychologically if you tell someone that something is easy. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203172201.00701.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sat 17 Mar 2012 at 20:21:13 +, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 17 March 2012 19:56:03 Brian wrote: > > So you fill in all the fields pertaining to setting up a static address > > and certify it is correct when asked. > > I almost always set up a static IP. It is very simple. When the installer > asks you, reject the DHCP offer. I do too. But Brett needs to find out whether it works for him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120317205844.GP4889@desktop
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Saturday 17 March 2012 19:56:03 Brian wrote: > So you fill in all the fields pertaining to setting up a static address > and certify it is correct when asked. I almost always set up a static IP. It is very simple. When the installer asks you, reject the DHCP offer. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203172021.13981.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 03:13:39 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > The IPW thing is the firmware required for the network adaptor. I think > it is IPW200 or something similar. You should know, but I'll not press it. > > That is why I had to use the firmware instal, and the only way > availabl;e, is using the netinst ISO. > > The instal process defaulted to setting up DHCP, but that did not work, > as the LAN here uses static IP addresses this side of the > firewall/gateway computer. I think that the modem/router uses DHCP, and > it is thus DHCP from the modem/router to the firewall/gateway computer, > and the firewall/gateway computer and everything this side of it, uses > static IP addresses. So you fill in all the fields pertaining to setting up a static address and certify it is correct when asked. At this point go to a console with ALT-F2. Unfortunately, the installer doesn't have ping but it does have wget. So wget http://www.debian.org Do you see a line of stars on the screen? Does 'ls -l' show index.html? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120317195603.GO4889@desktop
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Brian wrote: On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. But, it does not work. If not a single mirror works for you it looks like a network problem. Could you beef up on the previous 'IPW something or other'? Was firmware asked for during the install? How did you provide it if it was? Any chance of knowing what the card is and whether you set up the network with DHCP? Cables plugged in tightly? The IPW thing is the firmware required for the network adaptor. I think it is IPW200 or something similar. That is why I had to use the firmware instal, and the only way availabl;e, is using the netinst ISO. The instal process defaulted to setting up DHCP, but that did not work, as the LAN here uses static IP addresses this side of the firewall/gateway computer. I think that the modem/router uses DHCP, and it is thus DHCP from the modem/router to the firewall/gateway computer, and the firewall/gateway computer and everything this side of it, uses static IP addresses. I checked the connections of the CAT5 cable between the NX500 (the laptop on which I have been trying to instal Debian 6) and the switch to which it connects (we are currently using two switches - one down this end of the house, and, onte at the other end of the house, that services the laptop and netbook and tablet computers. The network adaptor in the NX5000, had worked without any problems, with Ubuntu 8.04 and Debian 5 (I think it was Debian 5, rather than Debian 4, that that computer had been running), previous to this installation attempt, and my wife had been using the switych, earlier this evening, without any problem, so the problem appears to be in the installation process. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203180304420.19...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Sun 18 Mar 2012 at 01:37:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the > mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. > > But, it does not work. If not a single mirror works for you it looks like a network problem. Could you beef up on the previous 'IPW something or other'? Was firmware asked for during the install? How did you provide it if it was? Any chance of knowing what the card is and whether you set up the network with DHCP? Cables plugged in tightly? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120317184138.GM4889@desktop
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Greg Madden wrote: On Thursday 15 March 2012 7:26:53 pm Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I have had to replace the hard drive in my laptop computer, which is an HP/Compaq NX5000, as the previous hard drive appeared to have failed. snip With this policy change by the Debian people, to exclude "firmware", so as to make installing Debian difficult, I have had problems, over time, in trying to instal Debian 6 on different computers, being unable to instal Debian 6, until Debian 6.03 was released. Is it possible to have this policy that excludes firmware from official installable disks, overturned, so that Debian 6 can be more easily installed? snip There are net-install images of Squeeze + firmware on this page, also tarballs of firmare with instruction on use. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ bottom of page. -- Peace, Greg Okay. I have downloaded a netinst ISO, and written it to a CD using Brasero rather than the CD/DVD Creator. I started the installation process, but it fails at "Configure the package manager", as it determines that all of the archive mirrors that I have tried in Australia and the USA, are bad, especially ftp..debian.org . The UWA, iinet, and AARNet mirrors, which I understand to be the most commonly usd mirrors in Australia, are included in the "bad" mirrors. This is one of the problems with using net installations, when the installation can't access the mirrors. I do not know whether the firmware is faulty (the IPW firmware) or the mirror settings within the downloaded netinst ISO, are bad. But, it does not work. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203180128500.19...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: Problem with trying to instal Debian
On Thursday 15 March 2012 7:26:53 pm Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I have had to replace the hard drive in my laptop computer, which is an > HP/Compaq NX5000, as the previous hard drive appeared to have failed. snip > With this policy change by the Debian people, to exclude "firmware", so > as to make installing Debian difficult, I have had problems, over time, > in trying to instal Debian 6 on different computers, being unable to > instal Debian 6, until Debian 6.03 was released. > > Is it possible to have this policy that excludes firmware from official > installable disks, overturned, so that Debian 6 can be more easily > installed? snip There are net-install images of Squeeze + firmware on this page, also tarballs of firmare with instruction on use. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ bottom of page. -- Peace, Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203151950.34371.gomadtr...@gci.net
Problem with trying to instal Debian
Hello. I have had to replace the hard drive in my laptop computer, which is an HP/Compaq NX5000, as the previous hard drive appeared to have failed. The computer had Windows XP, Ubuntu 8.04, and Debian 4 or 5 (I think it may have been 5, but am not sure) installed on it. So I thought that I would just instal Debian 6 on it. I have a Debian 6.03 i386 CD1 ISO CD that I had made, and I tried to instal from that. After repeated attempts, as it seemed to hang at "Detecting Network Device" or some similarly worded message, I just left it running (or not running, as it had appeared). After about half an hour, or an hour or so, I found a message that it required firmware for the network card; IPW something or other, and required me to produce that, before it would proceed further. So, overnight, I downloaded the Debian 6.04 i386 ISO DVD 1, as I figured that that should have whatever is needed. I "burnt it to disk", using the drag and drop thing within File Manager on an existing installation of Debian 6, on a 64 bit machine (installed from the Debian 6.03 AMD64 CD1 ISO CD), and tried to install from that. In booting the laptop with that disk, I got the error "Non system disk or disk error". It took several hours to download that image, and it does not work. With this policy change by the Debian people, to exclude "firmware", so as to make installing Debian difficult, I have had problems, over time, in trying to instal Debian 6 on different computers, being unable to instal Debian 6, until Debian 6.03 was released. Is it possible to have this policy that excludes firmware from official installable disks, overturned, so that Debian 6 can be more easily installed? Or, are we required to instal earlier, obsolete versions of Debian, to obtain a working version of Debian, that is installable? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1203161112130.9...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net