Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On 2021-12-13, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that > /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist. > That's probably because the handbook and howto in bullseye reside in /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/ according to the results of my brief investigation into the matter. They're keeping us on our toes, I guess. Hallelujah, brother.
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
(What I wrote below is) tl;dr :: Is localepurge installed on the system(s) where the handbook is not reachable? I can't reproduce it just this second (even though I thought I encountered it just a couple hours ago during upgrade), but I swear I've seen docs occasionally included in what is purged. On average, this is what is seen as the localepurge's operation feedback: localepurge: Disk space freed: 1564 KiB in /usr/share/locale localepurge: Disk space freed:640 KiB in /usr/share/man localepurge: Disk space freed: 0 KiB in /usr/share/tcltk localepurge: Disk space freed: 0 KiB in /usr/share/help I'm about "this sure" that I've additionally seen /usr/share/doc appear there as a fifth line, too. Down below, I've posted file paths for all four currently available bibletime-data versions. There's been some change going on. In that case AND if something like localepurge is installed, maybe there's a potential bug that needs addressed on one end or the other. On the "maybe not" side, I went ahead and installed bibletime on Bookworm. Nothing at all was purged on the four above lines. BUT: Maybe something's purged in earlier Debian releases...?? I don't have any installed to test drive it. My understanding of localepurge is that it's about purging materials that are installed by default in some packages but that a User declaring a language specific LANG might not ever need. Am saying that because I noticed several language options in the bibletime handbook directories. That provides a place where a glitch might result in a needed language accidentally getting purged. As a related aside, this webpage: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/180400/is-it-safe-to-empty-usr-share-doc Says it found this in localepurge's own docs: "Please note, that this tool is a hack which is not integrated with Debian's package management system and therefore is not for the faint of heart. This program interferes with the Debian package management and does provoke strange, but usually harmless, behaviour of programs related with apt/dpkg like dpkg-repack, reportbug, etc. Responsibility for its usage and possible breakage of your system therefore lies in the sysadmin's (your) hands." On 12/13/21, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:25 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: >> > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : >> >> [SNIP] >> > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a >> > handbook and howto subdirectory in >> > >> > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data >> >> NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. >> > > Is True with Debian 11, KDE. > I am browsing the Handbook now. Interesting. > > IS TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA. >> >> How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my >> run of apt-file? >> > > Interesting! Apt-File isn't installed by default. (But I got it easily) > > Okay, apt-file is bigger than a bread basket. So I will defer to the other > apt-file experts. > > However, your symptom suggests that bibletime-data might not have been > completely Installed. A slightly minor "pain", but I just downloaded and peeked into all four bibletime-data versions available in Debian's repositories. These are the paths that resulted: Stretch (oldoldstable) bibletime-data_2.10.1-3_all/usr/share/bibletime/docs/handbook Buster (oldstable) bibletime-data_2.11.2-11_all/usr/share/bibletime/docs/handbook Bullseye (stable) bibletime-data_3.0-5_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook Bookworm (testing)/Sid (unstable) bibletime-data_3.0.2-1_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/handbook Bookworm/Sid's pbibletime-data parent directory also contains this symlink: bibletime-data_3.0.2-1_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime/handbook There may be other symlinks that I missed, but that's enough for now. Feels like they're toying with ways to do something like accommodate for future growth (additions). Change happens. Always copacetic here as long as maintainers have made all appropriate respective alterations within the programming code so that everything continues to function as expected. Since some members are successfully reading their handbook here, sounds like that happened so something else is glitching somewhere. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:25 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >> [SNIP] > > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a > > handbook and howto subdirectory in > > > > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data > > NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. > Is True with Debian 11, KDE. I am browsing the Handbook now. Interesting. IS TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA. > > How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my > run of apt-file? > Interesting! Apt-File isn't installed by default. (But I got it easily) Okay, apt-file is bigger than a bread basket. So I will defer to the other apt-file experts. However, your symptom suggests that bibletime-data might not have been completely Installed. Good luck! Kenneth Parker
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:24:31 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: > > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >> [SNIP] > > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains > > a handbook and howto subdirectory in > > > > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data > > NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. I don't know what's going on in southwest Missouri, but in Wyoming it's there, it's a directory with some 1200 files and directories in it, and it's provided by package bibletime-data. charles@hawk:~$ apt-file search bibletime-data bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-config.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-intro.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-bookshelfmanager.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-output.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-parts.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-config.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-intro.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-bookshelfmanager.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-output.html bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-parts.html charles@hawk:~$ -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On Mon 13 Dec 2021 at 19:24:31 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : > > > [SNIP] > > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data > > contains a handbook and howto subdirectory in > > > > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data > > NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. > IS TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA. > > How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by > my run of apt-file? I'm not sure how you've missed them. If you look in /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/ as suggested, apart from the obligatory changelogs and copyright, there appears to be only one path to follow and, remarkably, it's called bibletime: this contains the guide, the howtos and a licence. Looking at buster, I think they've corrected the docs location /usr/share/bibletime/docs/ to /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/. As for your direct question, the usual place AIUI: /var/lib/apt/lists/. Or, more pedantically, whichever repository you've pointed APT at in your sources list. Of course, everything may be different in KS. Cheers, David.
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : [SNIP] apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a handbook and howto subdirectory in /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. IS TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA. How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my run of apt-file?
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary machine. I ran into two problems. 1. In Xiphos, [snip] 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report "Module not available". I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11 from scratch. I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist. [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and .../howto . F1 and F2 works there.] How do I correctly file a bug report? TIA apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a handbook and howto subdirectory in /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On 2021-12-13 1:18 p.m., Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett >> wrote: >> >>> [snip] >>> >>> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary >>> machine. I ran into two problems. >>> >>> 1. In Xiphos, [snip] >>> >>> 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report >>> "Module not available". >>> >>> >>> I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for >>> "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use >>> Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian >>> 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what >>> I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. >>> ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. > > Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data > files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11 > from scratch. > > I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. > Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. > F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. > > Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that > /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist. > Have you check for a bibletime-doc package ? > [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and > .../howto . F1 and F2 works there.] > > How do I correctly file a bug report? > > TIA > > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
Hello. Please, check this https://wiki.debian.org/BugReport 2021-12-13 20:18, Richard Owlett rašė: On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary machine. I ran into two problems. 1. In Xiphos, [snip] 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report "Module not available". I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11 from scratch. I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist. [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and .../howto . F1 and F2 works there.] How do I correctly file a bug report? TIA
BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary machine. I ran into two problems. 1. In Xiphos, [snip] 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report "Module not available". I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11 from scratch. I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos. Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc. F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files. Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist. [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and .../howto . F1 and F2 works there.] How do I correctly file a bug report? TIA
Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > I have two machines using MATE desktop: >A. Primary is Debian 9.13 >B. Secondary machine which will become current > 1. Debian 10.7 > 2. Debian 11.1 > > Chronology > > I looked through the repository for Bible study tools with KJV with > Strong's Concordance and GUI. Multiple commentaries preferred. "Bible > Time" and "Xiphos" seemed to give appropriate range of options and had > the same choice of reference works. > > I installed both on my Primary machine. The Xiphos had more desirable > features but was unusable as it defaulted to always displaying the > Strong's number for everything. I found the Debian 11 repository had a > more recent version. > > I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary > machine. I ran into two problems. > > 1. In Xiphos, I was not able to download Bible and reference works from > the SWORD library. I resorted to using Synaptic to download them from > the Debian repository. Both programs were able to display selected > passages. Due to larger variety of material I would prefer to use the > SWORD library. > > 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report > "Module not available". > > > I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for > "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use > Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian > 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what > I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. > ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. > > Two sets of questions. > > Is anyone using these on Debian 11? Is there an appropriate USER > oriented list? [I found a SWORD list for Xiphos - but it appears to be > developer oriented.] > > How can I completely purge both from the Debian partition [including > code, data, *AND* configuration]. I've never removed a program before ;/ > > I wish to replicate the steps and order used on the Debian 10 install to > distinguish whether there is a code or operator error. > > TIA > > I'm always online, so I just use online tools (biblegateway.com and bible.cc primarily), but I just installed bibletime to see how it behaves (it looks better than my vague memory of trying to use it a decade or so ago), and the F1 & F2 keys both bring up a local html document; the F3 key brings up the "Tip of the Day" window. I'm using Cinnamon rather than Mate, on bookworm/sid. You can "aptitude purge bibletime" which should get rid of the program as well as its config files in /etc. I believe "apt" and "apt-get" have a similar purge feature. This will not delete any config files belonging to your local user. You can probably find and delete those files, but it might be "cleaner" just to create a new local user and log in as that new user for testing, maybe even logging into a different windowing/desktop environment as part of the testing process. -- Kent West<")))>< Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"
I have two machines using MATE desktop: A. Primary is Debian 9.13 B. Secondary machine which will become current 1. Debian 10.7 2. Debian 11.1 Chronology I looked through the repository for Bible study tools with KJV with Strong's Concordance and GUI. Multiple commentaries preferred. "Bible Time" and "Xiphos" seemed to give appropriate range of options and had the same choice of reference works. I installed both on my Primary machine. The Xiphos had more desirable features but was unusable as it defaulted to always displaying the Strong's number for everything. I found the Debian 11 repository had a more recent version. I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary machine. I ran into two problems. 1. In Xiphos, I was not able to download Bible and reference works from the SWORD library. I resorted to using Synaptic to download them from the Debian repository. Both programs were able to display selected passages. Due to larger variety of material I would prefer to use the SWORD library. 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report "Module not available". I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what I requested and they were available also to Xiphos. ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work. Two sets of questions. Is anyone using these on Debian 11? Is there an appropriate USER oriented list? [I found a SWORD list for Xiphos - but it appears to be developer oriented.] How can I completely purge both from the Debian partition [including code, data, *AND* configuration]. I've never removed a program before ;/ I wish to replicate the steps and order used on the Debian 10 install to distinguish whether there is a code or operator error. TIA
