Re: Question about dselect:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:15:32PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unfortunately, no. dselect will always try to enforce a Recommends. In the resolution screen, Shift-R will revert all of dselect's additions and then Shift-Q will finish. Actually, this behavior was supposedly fixed (dselect would only ask once about recommends), but I guess it hasn't made it into the archives yet. Yeah, it's in CVS for dpkg 1.10, but that's too disruptive at this stage in the woody freeze. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question about dselect:
I have a little...issue with dselect. I'm trying to set up a base configuration for a fleet of servers, and I want certain software, and *only* certain software on them. At least one of these pieces of software is a perl modules that wants to have libc6-dev, which is fine as far as that goes, but it seems that libc6-dev recommends that I install gcc, and it's rather most insistent that I install it, even if I tell dselect _ (purge) and shift-q (Do what I tell you numbskull). Is there a way to tell dselect ONCE AND FOR ALL that I have no wish to install gcc on this machine? -- Share and Enjoy.
Re: Question about dselect:
On 20-Nov-2001 Petro wrote: I have a little...issue with dselect. I'm trying to set up a base configuration for a fleet of servers, and I want certain software, and *only* certain software on them. At least one of these pieces of software is a perl modules that wants to have libc6-dev, which is fine as far as that goes, but it seems that libc6-dev recommends that I install gcc, and it's rather most insistent that I install it, even if I tell dselect _ (purge) and shift-q (Do what I tell you numbskull). Is there a way to tell dselect ONCE AND FOR ALL that I have no wish to install gcc on this machine? Unfortunately, no. dselect will always try to enforce a Recommends. In the resolution screen, Shift-R will revert all of dselect's additions and then Shift-Q will finish.
Re: Question about dselect:
On Tuesday 20 November 2001 01:08, Petro wrote: I have a little...issue with dselect. I'm trying to set up a base configuration for a fleet of servers, and I want certain software, and *only* certain software on them. At least one of these pieces of software is a perl modules that wants to have libc6-dev, which is fine as far as that goes, but it seems that libc6-dev recommends that I install gcc, and it's rather most insistent that I install it, even if I tell dselect _ (purge) and shift-q (Do what I tell you numbskull). Is there a way to tell dselect ONCE AND FOR ALL that I have no wish to install gcc on this machine? 'Tis this exact behaviour that's made me move to apt-utils, to install packages, apt-get only installs the dependencys which is what I like (I prefer to turn on bells whisles not off). I know it's not what you wanted, but that's my solution. Ani
Re: Question about dselect:
Petro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Is there a way to tell dselect ONCE AND FOR ALL that I have no wish to install gcc on this machine? I don't know how this is done exactly, but I know you can create a dummy package and say that it provides gcc, etc. This way you and dselect can be happy. I need to do this with tetex and friends, but have not gotten around to figuring it out yet. Brian Flaherty
Re: Question about dselect:
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 20-Nov-2001 Petro wrote: I have a little...issue with dselect. I'm trying to set up a base configuration for a fleet of servers, and I want certain software, and *only* certain software on them. At least one of these pieces of software is a perl modules that wants to have libc6-dev, which is fine as far as that goes, but it seems that libc6-dev recommends that I install gcc, and it's rather most insistent that I install it, even if I tell dselect _ (purge) and shift-q (Do what I tell you numbskull). Is there a way to tell dselect ONCE AND FOR ALL that I have no wish to install gcc on this machine? Unfortunately, no. dselect will always try to enforce a Recommends. In the resolution screen, Shift-R will revert all of dselect's additions and then Shift-Q will finish. Actually, this behavior was supposedly fixed (dselect would only ask once about recommends), but I guess it hasn't made it into the archives yet. -- Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about dselect
on Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 10:15:05AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: once i try to remove a package by dselect,when it still not start to remove,i skiped,but question comes,later when i use dselect again,and it always try to remove the packages that i selected before,becouse it contains many dependence packages,so it is impossible to re-select them one by one,what should i do with this problem?? What package, what errors, what dependencies? Try running: apt-get remove package ...and post command, output, and error messages, if any, in the event it doesn't work. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpSRoOvHdi0N.pgp Description: PGP signature
question about dselect
once i try to remove a package by dselect,when it still not start to remove,i skiped,but question comes,later when i use dselect again,and it always try to remove the packages that i selected before,becouse it contains many dependence packages,so it is impossible to re-select them one by one,what should i do with this problem?? -- »¶ÓʹÓà 21CN µç×ÓÓʼþϵͳ http://www.21cn.com Thank you for using 21cn.com Email system
Re: replacing the standard mta with qmail (Re: Question about dselect)
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 12:47:12PM +0100, Joost Kooij wrote: This is what you want to do: 1. get qmail source and build a deb: apt-get install qmail-src cd qmail-src-* fakeroot debian/rules binary cd .. ( 1a. maybe do the same for ucspi-tcp-src:) 2. carefully remove the old mta, while disregarding other packages dependencies: dpkg --force-depends --remove exim Do NOT do that. echo exim deinstall | dpkg --set-selections 3. install the qmail.deb (perhaps also ucspi-tcp*deb): dpkg --install qmail*deb That should do it, yes. And it'll remove exim for you, safely. You could do exim purge above, but you are gonna want to keep a working mail config around just in case... -- - Joseph Carter GnuPG public key: 1024D/DCF9DAB3, 2048g/3F9C2A43 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 -- Flood can I write a unix-like kernel in perl? pgpu0iZdK80W5.pgp Description: PGP signature
replacing the standard mta with qmail (Re: Question about dselect)
Hi, On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Bastard Operator From Hell wrote: I recently replaced exim with qmail as that is what I have to administer at work and I would rather glitch something up at home vs on-the-job. There is some additional effort required to install qmail, you have to compile your own debs, as the licence prohibits distributing those. Because of this, dselect doesn't know about the qmail debs in the same way as it knows about the regular debs from the debian archive. Slight problem though, when I removed exim, dselect also wanted to remove all of my MTA and mail related packages (i.e.: af, anacron, at, elm-me+, fmirror, logrotate, mailx and mutt), so of course, I exited the Select phase of dselect with the Q option to force it to ignore the depends. You should not use dselect to replace your mta. Dselect is a great tool to manage dependencies, but in this case, you really want to _work_around_ dependencies, making dselect the wrong tool for this particular job. You can not (easily anyway[1]) use dselect to install qmail, because there is no archive containing pre-built qmail.deb. [1] Okay, so you can actually use dselect with non-regular archives, but it's not worth doing in this case anyway. This is what you want to do: 1. get qmail source and build a deb: apt-get install qmail-src cd qmail-src-* fakeroot debian/rules binary cd .. ( 1a. maybe do the same for ucspi-tcp-src:) 2. carefully remove the old mta, while disregarding other packages dependencies: dpkg --force-depends --remove exim 3. install the qmail.deb (perhaps also ucspi-tcp*deb): dpkg --install qmail*deb That's all there should be to it. Now, you can continue using dselect for all you daily updates and standard package installations and removals. The only package that it cannot update automatically is qmail, because there is no qmail.deb in the archive. If you decide however to keep qmail-src.deb installed on your system, you will be able to notice every update of that package. You can then rebuild a local qmail.deb and install it manually. This time, there are no force flags needed to dselect. Notice that when you run dselect, it will show the installed status of the qmail package, but it knows only the installed version, not the available version, because there is no official archive version of the qmail.deb. For the same reason, dselect classifies the package as Obsolete/local Unclassified packages without a section. This is nothing to worry about. Imagine my surprise when deselect informed me that it would be removing the packages that I _thought_ I had forced to stay installed. Are you sure that wasn't _apt_ telling you that? Apt has a mind of its own (which is usually a good thing) about resolving dependencies and conflicts. It makes similar calculations about package dependencies as dselect, because it has to know in what order best to install the downloaded packages. Most of the time, this behaviour is a feature. In your case, it interferes with what you're trying to do. At least dselect will let you override dselect's opinion of packages to be (de)selected, apt is more strict in these things and won't be overridden AFAIK[2]. [2] Then again, I didn't read all of the apt documentation that meticulously yet, YMMV Now, this doesn't hurt me too badly as I am capable of manually installing software, but it does mean that the automatic check for critical updates, etc. that dselect does are now unavailable on this system. This is unnecessary when done right. You only lose the ability to automatically update qmail.deb. All other packages (including qmail-src.deb) will still be upgradable using dselect, as usually. I'm posting to the devel list since this seems to be a problem with dselect rather than operator error (or at least the RTFM on the man pages, HOWTO's and user/devel list archives didn't turn up anything usefull). I'm adding debian-user to the cc:, since I figure this isn't the first time and probably isn't the last time either that dpkg/dselect/apt confuse people, not in the least because many aspects aren't very well documented. Cheers, Joost
Re: replacing the standard mta with qmail (Re: Question about dselect)
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Joost Kooij wrote: Hi, On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Bastard Operator From Hell wrote: I recently replaced exim with qmail as that is what I have to administer at work and I would rather glitch something up at home vs on-the-job. There is some additional effort required to install qmail, you have to compile your own debs, as the licence prohibits distributing those. Because of this, dselect doesn't know about the qmail debs in the same way as it knows about the regular debs from the debian archive. You can alway create a local package repository with which you can use dselect. It is quite easy, to tell the truth: 1. create a directory B in any directory A. 2. put all packages you have built in directory B. Don't maintain section hierarchy. If you want to, then use the appropriate switch for dpkg-scanpackages in step 4. 3. put the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb file:/A/ B/ (of course replace A and B, and keep the space before B) 4. cd A dpkg-scanpackages B /dev/null B/Packages Execute step 4. if you have put or taken any packages to/from the directory B. After this you can switch to apt retrieve method in dselect, and it will see your packages. Probably you should download the latest apt for your distribution. It is somewhere around 0.3.10slink11 for slink and I don't know where I got it from. For potato just download it from the debian mirror of your choice. Slight problem though, when I removed exim, dselect also wanted to remove all of my MTA and mail related packages (i.e.: af, anacron, at, elm-me+, fmirror, logrotate, mailx and mutt), so of course, I exited the Select phase of dselect with the Q option to force it to ignore the depends. You should not use dselect to replace your mta. Dselect is a great tool to manage dependencies, but in this case, you really want to _work_around_ dependencies, making dselect the wrong tool for this particular job. You can not (easily anyway[1]) use dselect to install qmail, because there is no archive containing pre-built qmail.deb. You can do it the way I described previously. You just select exim for purging and select qmail and ucspi-tcp for installing. You should probably install dot-forward as well if you have users with .forward files. Take care to use ucspi-tcp 0.84 for qmail 1.03. ... That's all there should be to it. Now, you can continue using dselect for all you daily updates and standard package installations and removals. The only package that it cannot update automatically is qmail, because there is no qmail.deb in the archive. It does not really evolve too fast anyway :) ... Notice that when you run dselect, it will show the installed status of the qmail package, but it knows only the installed version, not the available version, because there is no official archive version of the qmail.deb. For the same reason, dselect classifies the package as Obsolete/local Unclassified packages without a section. This is nothing to worry about. It does not come up if you create a proper local repository :) Robert Varga
Re: replacing the standard mta with qmail (Re: Question about dselect)
On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 12:47:12PM +0100, Joost Kooij wrote: 1. get qmail source and build a deb: apt-get install qmail-src cd qmail-src-* fakeroot debian/rules binary cd .. sudo apt-get install qmail-src build-qmail, you mean. -- Havoc Consulting | unix, linux, perl, mail, www, internet, security consulting +358 50 5486010 | software development, unix administration, training
Question about dselect
Hi, all, With dselect, how to install or upgrade a specific package without automatically upgrading all packages? Thanks. -- Chia-Sheng Chang Institute of Communications Engineering College of Electrical Engineering National Taiwan University Taipei, Taiwan 10617 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about dselect
On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 02:37:47PM +0800, Chia-Sheng Chang wrote: With dselect, how to install or upgrade a specific package without automatically upgrading all packages? You should use apt-get rather than dselect for this. apt-get install pkg-name --Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about dselect
Chia-Sheng Chang wrote: Hi, all, With dselect, how to install or upgrade a specific package without automatically upgrading all packages? - Thanks. You can put all installed packages on hold by selecting = on the major heading lines - it shouldn't take more than 4 or 5 to selections to do them all. Then simply select the one or ones you want to upgrade for installation *. I've been keeping my potato disk current that way by updating a different group of packages each day. John -- Powered by the Penguin
Re: Question about dselect..
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, smorrill wrote: I have a base debian system installed on my 586 133 mhz. I got the Cheap Bytes cd and am trying to install packages, specifically the Xwindows packages. These are located in a directory called rex-fixe on the cd. I must be missing something here, but I cannot get dselect to recognize that directory. I've tried letting the program scan the various directories on the cd, tried over over to do it manually to no avail. Let me know how the cd works out. Those nice Cheap Bytes guys send me 3 cd's but they all don't work right with my cdrom drive. Let me know if they work fine on yours. Now if you can see your cdrom drive and use the Access from cdrom I expect all to work fine. Is the cdrom mounted correctly? Can you see other directories? Can you install something from somewhere on the cd? // D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Re: Question about dselect..
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, smorrill wrote: I have a base debian system installed on my 586 133 mhz. I got the Cheap Bytes cd and am trying to install packages, specifically the Xwindows packages. These are located in a directory called rex-fixe on the cd. I must be missing something here, but I cannot get dselect to recognize that directory. The directory you should use is stable, which is a link to rex-fixed. There's no rex-fixe. You're probably looking the CD from DOS. Linux uses an extension called `Rock Ridge' to use long filename, that neither DOS nor Win95 understands. -- Nicolás Lichtmaier.- | Try visiting #debian in Undernet (us.undernet.org) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The channel of the debian developers =)
Re: Question about dselect..
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, smorrill wrote: I have a base debian system installed on my 586 133 mhz. I got the Cheap Bytes cd and am trying to install packages, specifically the Xwindows packages. These are located in a directory called rex-fixe on the cd. I must be missing something here, but I cannot get dselect to recognize that directory. I've tried letting the program scan the various directories on the cd, tried over over to do it manually to no avail. I've read the faq, etc. on dselect. I'm new to linux, so (once again..) I'm sure this is user error. Any suggestions out there? TIA!! You need to mount the CD as filesystem type iso9660 so the filenames will be complete. Paul Wade - Greenbush Technologies Corporation http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Linux CD's sent worldwide
Question about dselect..
I have a base debian system installed on my 586 133 mhz. I got the Cheap Bytes cd and am trying to install packages, specifically the Xwindows packages. These are located in a directory called rex-fixe on the cd. I must be missing something here, but I cannot get dselect to recognize that directory. I've tried letting the program scan the various directories on the cd, tried over over to do it manually to no avail. I've read the faq, etc. on dselect. I'm new to linux, so (once again..) I'm sure this is user error. Any suggestions out there? TIA!!
