Re: Quicken under debian - gnucash
On Sunday 30 June 2002 00:16, David P James wrote: > > I still don't like it much. Quicken accounts are "liquid" in > that they hold (hopefully) money. But categories do not; > they are where money goes or comes from but they do not in > themselves hold any money. That is, my chequing account > holds money; my car's gas expenditure category/account does > not. I understand the use of double entry but it is still > quite annoying. The numbers that show up in the totals > column at the right are almost completely meaningless for > anything orther than the "liquid" accounts. I have this same problem with Quickbooks. It's really unhelpful that all these categories have "balances" that don't bear any relationship to reality. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
On Saturday 29 June 2002 09:14, David P James wrote: > > Except unfortunately gnucash mangles the concepts of > 'categories' and 'accounts', which, to be honest, I really > do not like. On the flip side, guncash did detect some > mistakes that had gone uncorrected in my Quicken files for > years, so I went back and fixed them in Quicken. At this > point I'm still using Quicken and hence Windows 95. I'm > going to try an account-by-account import into kmymoney2 > (mentionned in a recent Debian Weekly News) shortly. I tried > a whole import (as in gnucash) but that got really botched up. Yeah, I have the same problem with Quickbooks at work. Gnucash uses double account entry, while Quicken does not. Although I understand that for the accoutants among, double entry is the more correcter way to do things, I don't really have the same feel for it that I have with Quicken's way of doing it. For work, it isn't a big deal because the accountants review the books and give me a proper summary each month, but at home I don't want to have to figure things out. > > Of course, what I would really like to see is Quicken ported > to Linux, even if I had to pay for it. Yeah, I would too. I actually paid for Kapital, from theKompany. I did so something like two years ago; I paid for the download distribution, which I couldn't get installed (although I should point out that the people from theKompany where very helpful in getting the problems sorted out). I decided to wait for the "final" version to be released, but every time I check their website (last time about a month or so ago) it seems that the "final" release hasn't happened yet, so I've never actually tried this product. nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
On Saturday 29 June 2002 00:34, Rick Macdonald wrote: > Neal Lippman said: > > I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken > > on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows > > application that I still need, and thus is the only reason that my > > laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. > > > > As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support Quicken, > > I've been running Quicken 2000 on an old version of wine (Wine release > 2526) for two years using Win95 DDLs. No problem. > ...RickM... Thanks. I'm actually running Quicken 2000 also - never had a reason to upgrade to the later versions. I'll have to install wine now and see if it works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian - gnucash
Paul Scott,,, wrote: > David P James wrote: > >> Paul Scott,,, wrote: >>> Neal Lippman wrote: >>> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows application that I still need, and thus is the only reason that my laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. >> >> Except unfortunately gnucash mangles the concepts of >> 'categories' and 'accounts', which, to be honest, I >> really do not like. > > > It took me a moment to get used to it but categories > really are accounts so that just made it easier for me to > move on to other uses for their automatic double entry. > I still don't like it much. Quicken accounts are "liquid" in that they hold (hopefully) money. But categories do not; they are where money goes or comes from but they do not in themselves hold any money. That is, my chequing account holds money; my car's gas expenditure category/account does not. I understand the use of double entry but it is still quite annoying. The numbers that show up in the totals column at the right are almost completely meaningless for anything orther than the "liquid" accounts. >> On the flip side, guncash did detect some mistakes that >> had gone uncorrected in my Quicken files for years, so >> I went back and fixed them in Quicken. > > > That's good. > >> At this point I'm still using Quicken and hence Windows >> 95. I'm going to try an account-by-account import into >> kmymoney2 (mentionned in a recent Debian Weekly News) >> shortly. I tried a whole import (as in gnucash) but >> that got really botched up. > > > gnucash imported a very large setup for me with no > errors. The only problem I had was getting used to the > sequence for entering splits. Once I fixed my years-old problems in Quicken the import went well for me as well, though not without annoyances. Being a Canadian, I became just a little bit sick of seeing "CAD" all over the place. Plus there was no listing for the TSE (Toronto Stock Exchange) in the list of exchanges for my score or so of mutual funds. In fact, the overall handling of mutual funds was very badly mangled. For reasons I cannot fathom, dividends, interest and capital gains to each fund were assigned an account of their own. It's almost impossible to get a handle on the value of one's portfolio through time using Gnucash as it refuses to give you a value balance even on dates when it has everything it needs ... ie if you buy or sell shares then both a share price and a total quantity of shares is available for that day, so an asset calculation can be but isn't performed, unlike in Quicken. I also really miss Quicken's willingness to estimate or give you a last known value - that little blue 'e' was always a good incentive to go update things so as to get a more precise number. Now I just see zeros all over. > >> Of course, what I would really like to see is Quicken >> ported to Linux, even if I had to pay for it. > > > I had similar thoughts but I'm glad that gnucash expanded > my mind a little. Now I only use Windows for things > people pay me to do. > > Paul > > Paul > > I'm glad you like it but I just find it too much of a pain. Not to mention worries of backwards-compatibility with Quicken - I don't want to find that in a couple of years Quicken is ported to linux but all my data for the previous years is unusable. Anyway, this is straying a little off-topic for a debian mailing list :) -- David P. James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian - gnucash
David P James wrote: Paul Scott,,, wrote: > Neal Lippman wrote: > >> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for >> using Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is >> essentially the ONLY windows application that I still >> need, and thus is the only reason that my laptop still >> has windows98 loaded on it. Except unfortunately gnucash mangles the concepts of 'categories' and 'accounts', which, to be honest, I really do not like. It took me a moment to get used to it but categories really are accounts so that just made it easier for me to move on to other uses for their automatic double entry. On the flip side, guncash did detect some mistakes that had gone uncorrected in my Quicken files for years, so I went back and fixed them in Quicken. That's good. At this point I'm still using Quicken and hence Windows 95. I'm going to try an account-by-account import into kmymoney2 (mentionned in a recent Debian Weekly News) shortly. I tried a whole import (as in gnucash) but that got really botched up. gnucash imported a very large setup for me with no errors. The only problem I had was getting used to the sequence for entering splits. Of course, what I would really like to see is Quicken ported to Linux, even if I had to pay for it. I had similar thoughts but I'm glad that gnucash expanded my mind a little. Now I only use Windows for things people pay me to do. Paul Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
Paul Scott,,, wrote: > Neal Lippman wrote: > >> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for >> using Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is >> essentially the ONLY windows application that I still >> need, and thus is the only reason that my laptop still >> has windows98 loaded on it. >> >> As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support >> Quicken, nor does the Crossover platform that has >> gotten a lot of press for its MSOffice support. >> >> I am not adverse to running VMWare if that's the best >> way to accomplish this task (btw, since vmware is >> proprietary, I assume there are no debs, but just the >> tarball and rpms on their web site). >> >> I am a bit adverse to using Win4Lin, only because that >> would involve using their patched kernel, and I like >> using the standard kernels. >> > You don't need no stinkin' emulator! :) gnucash will > read your Quicken files and you're free. > Except unfortunately gnucash mangles the concepts of 'categories' and 'accounts', which, to be honest, I really do not like. On the flip side, guncash did detect some mistakes that had gone uncorrected in my Quicken files for years, so I went back and fixed them in Quicken. At this point I'm still using Quicken and hence Windows 95. I'm going to try an account-by-account import into kmymoney2 (mentionned in a recent Debian Weekly News) shortly. I tried a whole import (as in gnucash) but that got really botched up. Of course, what I would really like to see is Quicken ported to Linux, even if I had to pay for it. -- David P. James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
Neal Lippman wrote: I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows application that I still need, and thus is the only reason that my laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support Quicken, nor does the Crossover platform that has gotten a lot of press for its MSOffice support. I am not adverse to running VMWare if that's the best way to accomplish this task (btw, since vmware is proprietary, I assume there are no debs, but just the tarball and rpms on their web site). I am a bit adverse to using Win4Lin, only because that would involve using their patched kernel, and I like using the standard kernels. You don't need no stinkin' emulator! :) gnucash will read your Quicken files and you're free. apt-get install gnucash at least for woody and sid. Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
Neal Lippman said: > I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken > on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows > application that I still need, and thus is the only reason that my > laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. > > As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support Quicken, I've been running Quicken 2000 on an old version of wine (Wine release 2526) for two years using Win95 DDLs. No problem. ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 28 June 2002 07:59 pm, Brian P. Flaherty wrote: > Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using > > Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY > > windows application that I still need, and thus is the only reason > > that my laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. > > I was in exactly the same situation for several months. Then I put > Vmware on my machine and that was better than having a dedicated > Windows laptop. But, it still wasn't good enough because I just hated > using it. Windows was an abomination on my otherwise pleasant > machine. Also, Vmware takes too long to boot and is a lot of overhead > just to run a check book balancing program. Right here is where you made a mistake. :--) NEVER close it until you SUSPEND your guest O/S. Then, it pops right open, and all you have to do is RESUME and Windon't is ready to give you all the bsod that you can ask for. All of my O/S's are running, albeit SUSPENDED. It takes seconds to open VMWare AND the O/S within. > So, I made the jump to > cbb (check book balancer) and have been quite happy with it. It does > not supply all the stuff Quicken does, but it does a lot and if you > want something you can write it up. Also, I have come to like being > able to see my databases in Emacs! > > cbb imported my quicken files pretty well. If I remember correctly, I > had to edit the date and/or entry number because it wasn't in the form > cbb was expecting. This was a while ago, though, so it might work > now. Also, I was using an old Quicken. > > HTH. > > Brian Flaherty Have a Grand Day, Brian! (which is likely cuz yer running a REAL O/S) :--) - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 /\IRC: 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts /\ICQ: UIN 138930 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using > Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY > windows application that I still need, and thus is the only reason > that my laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. I was in exactly the same situation for several months. Then I put Vmware on my machine and that was better than having a dedicated Windows laptop. But, it still wasn't good enough because I just hated using it. Windows was an abomination on my otherwise pleasant machine. Also, Vmware takes too long to boot and is a lot of overhead just to run a check book balancing program. So, I made the jump to cbb (check book balancer) and have been quite happy with it. It does not supply all the stuff Quicken does, but it does a lot and if you want something you can write it up. Also, I have come to like being able to see my databases in Emacs! cbb imported my quicken files pretty well. If I remember correctly, I had to edit the date and/or entry number because it wasn't in the form cbb was expecting. This was a while ago, though, so it might work now. Also, I was using an old Quicken. HTH. Brian Flaherty -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicken under debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 28 June 2002 06:01 pm, Neal Lippman wrote: > I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken on my > debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows application > that I still need, and thus is the only reason that my laptop still has > windows98 loaded on it. > > As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support Quicken, nor does the > Crossover platform that has gotten a lot of press for its MSOffice support. > > I am not adverse to running VMWare if that's the best way to accomplish > this task (btw, since vmware is proprietary, I assume there are no debs, > but just the tarball and rpms on their web site). > > I am a bit adverse to using Win4Lin, only because that would involve using > their patched kernel, and I like using the standard kernels. > > Thanks. > nl This was EXACTLY why I purchased VMWare. Then I installed EVERY M$ o/s I had, and followed that with the *nix's I wanted to play with. Last count was 14 o/s running in VMWare under Debian. And yes Virginia, it IS worth it!! :--) Though! I have been told that the newest Wine is supposed to handle Q & QB rather nicely. (shrug) - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 /\IRC: 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts /\ICQ: UIN 138930 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quicken under debian
I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken on my debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows application that I still need, and thus is the only reason that my laptop still has windows98 loaded on it. As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support Quicken, nor does the Crossover platform that has gotten a lot of press for its MSOffice support. I am not adverse to running VMWare if that's the best way to accomplish this task (btw, since vmware is proprietary, I assume there are no debs, but just the tarball and rpms on their web site). I am a bit adverse to using Win4Lin, only because that would involve using their patched kernel, and I like using the standard kernels. Thanks. nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
