Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Saturday 17 January 2004 01:48, Paul Johnson wrote: [...] when parking goes free. Gotta plug meters on the street between 8AM-6PM every day except legal holidays. Thank God Sunday is still a legal holiday in the US. Yeah, he's the one to thank. -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 06:00:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: Well, this statement is going to be controversial, but one type of redneck lives in a 95% white culture, and one type lives in a roughly 50-50% white-black culture. Not that you implied anything at all like that; I just didn't want you to be confused over who's working harder to be chill. I don't get where you're going with this... - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFACZmuUzgNqloQMwcRAp+KAKDKQQ8H/+bXBmTVaYEpPPzfAXjbKwCg3Vmi IaH6lhXuYDvvTNc4EzQ13NM= =MxtA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:23:10PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I don't get where you're going with this... Merely commenting on a fact. Look at a census for the NW US and Canada sometime. Let's /thread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 05:33:38PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:49:24AM +, Dave Howorth wrote: [snip] It's just that (unless you're a pseudodruid) there's maybe 10 minutes worth of interest in it. A lot of big stones in a rather bleak field miles from anywhere, and there's practically no public transport. So if you're a [snip] Then there are lots of lanes and paths where nobody but locals and oddball tourists go :) What my middle-aged friend did was sneak some dope into the country in his shampoo bottle and smoke a pipe on the hill, trip out on the countryside, then went into town for a pint. You'd be surprised how many great stories start that way... We do have dope in the UK, you know :-) From next month straightforward possession of small amounts is no longer an arrestable offence; you just get a thing like a parking ticket. Buying it locally has MUCH less potential to ruin your holiday than getting nicked with it by Customs... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 10:38:19PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I'd say if you really want to go for the overpowering, stereotypical southerner, go to Idaho. Replace wife-beaters with flannel and an Albertan accent instead of a southern drawl. I saw more than one GEO Metro with a gun rack in Couer d'Alane. He he! I know the type of person you're talking about. I saw on the History channel the other day Couer d'Alene is the white power / American Nazi annual meeting place. The wife-beater white undershirt is not a phenotype I saw much of -- that's more of a New York Italian stereotype. In the South it's usually a black t-shirt with a picture of a wolf on it, or a picture of a naked chick in viking armor, or Dale Earnhardt's race car. They usually have shoulder sleeves. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:01:48PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: snip Albertan accent instead of a southern drawl. I saw more than one GEO Metro with a gun rack in Couer d'Alane. Coeur d´Alene, that is... ;-) It's French... Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:17:09PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +, Pigeon wrote: (the average distance a tourist moves from their car is 300 yds or some such number). Just far enough to get to a public toilet... I never understood this. I usually try to find some compromise with being able to get out easily and not having to walk more than four blocks from where I parked if I'm at home, work or on errands. But if I'm out on vacation, the car's just gonna get ditched from time to time along the way. Same here. Especially given that the Lake District is *made* for walking, and trying to drive there in the tourist season is a painful experience - very narrow roads, flanked by drystone walls and filled with idiots who are unable to judge the width of their cars. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:14:56PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: The wife-beater white undershirt is not a phenotype I saw much of -- that's more of a New York Italian stereotype. In the South it's usually a black t-shirt with a picture of a wolf on it, or a picture of a naked chick in viking armor, or Dale Earnhardt's race car. They usually have shoulder sleeves. Ah, then we have another type of redneck: South by Northwest. Southern drawl white trailer trash that somehow made it to the northwest. Most famous example would be Tanya Harding's most recent ex-husband. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFACJAqUzgNqloQMwcRAonzAKCqgtydTBY2vULLiNN9MP0B1L/svACgts24 VAC/IbJTyVOXdHtys4pWguE= =hScZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:23:48AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Coeur d?Alene, that is... ;-) It's French... The Pacific Northwest and southwestern Canada don't claim French as a major language (even if it is an official language for southwestern Canada). About 10 years ago, the three predominant dialects in my area (Portland, OR) was American English, Mandarin, and Canadian French. Now it's American English, American Spanish (which isn't taught in schools, and evidently has significant differences from Spaniard Spanish, which *is* taught in schools (as utterly useless as it may be locally)), and Russian. Near Woodburn, Oregon, the major languages are American Spanish, Russian and Old German (and they're easy to spot from a distance, they dress kinda like Amish or Menonites and *nobody else* has any idea what they're talking about). This came as quite a surprise to me when I was there for KNRK's Big Stink Six when it was at the Estacada Timberbowl...last time I was in Woodburn, everybody living there was either almost Greg Proops style Redneck or the old german community (which wasn't nearly as visible in town then). Local joke is all the rednecks moved to Oregon City or Vancouver, WA. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFACJONUzgNqloQMwcRAr0tAJ9LxL8GsOz+FXK0z2VdSe7NJ+p95ACfWqEw UiqTAu8jpsxS9F8i4cfLB/o= =NoRK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:25:08PM +, Pigeon wrote: Same here. Especially given that the Lake District is *made* for walking, and trying to drive there in the tourist season is a painful experience - very narrow roads, flanked by drystone walls and filled with idiots who are unable to judge the width of their cars. I know the feeling. I live in downtown. I'd like to take transit more, but all the parking lots and the meters reset at 8AM, so anywhere I park in downtown I'll get towed by 10AM since I won't be there to put a new permit on the dash. It's not as sucky as it sounds though: I get home as everybody else is heading home, so there's always a parking space on the curb right outside my door, I just have to chunk under $2 into the meter and I'm good until 6PM when parking goes free. Gotta plug meters on the street between 8AM-6PM every day except legal holidays. Thank God Sunday is still a legal holiday in the US. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFACJSIUzgNqloQMwcRAgqmAJ9zHBWrwjanYmPI8V4FU7/c+H6jkQCg2lPU yvKHymE3bVAnoRE/8ACXnqo= =KbTD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 05:30:18PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Ah, then we have another type of redneck: South by Northwest. Southern drawl white trailer trash that somehow made it to the northwest. Most famous example would be Tanya Harding's most recent ex-husband. Well, this statement is going to be controversial, but one type of redneck lives in a 95% white culture, and one type lives in a roughly 50-50% white-black culture. Not that you implied anything at all like that; I just didn't want you to be confused over who's working harder to be chill. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 10:50:41PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:36:33PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: Personally I find this request unreasonable. Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. Um, duh, Godwin? Godwin said nothing of the sort. http://ursine.ca/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html First, I didn't say never -- I said in polite company. Second, (the weaker, non-never but merely advisory) statement is implied: otherwise why would such a law have ever been needed? You could just as well draw *many* other conclusions about threads as they grow in length; why is *this* one of particular interest, and why do people respect it? Thirdly, the spirit of what I asked was be nice. The actuality of whether or not you actually express the concept KKK is immaterial -- it is a conscious choice for you to be nice -- or not. When I said cognitive processes preceding such utterances, it means stop looking for monsters in the world. That's what *they* did. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:49:24AM +, Dave Howorth wrote: But surely it would be far better to build the replica in America and save them all the hassle of a long plane flight! The food would be familiar. There could even be stonehenge-east in say Atlantic City and stonehenge-west at Disneyland. There is a replica of Stonehenge as it is believed to have been before it started collapsing in the middle of the desert on Washington State Highway 14 on the bluffs in sight of the Columbia River near Maryhill, Washington. Be warned, it's marked as a World War memorial is not visible from the highway. GET GAS in The Dalles[1] or Walla Walla (I think that's the next closest town), I don't recall any gas stations outside of larger towns. There's a small convienence store within earshot of the monument, but if you want a good lunch, better bring your own. It's amazingly under-travelled since it's out in the middle of the desert; I'm told you pretty much have to have grown up in the northwest to have any appreciation for that desert as a vacation destination. [1] Pronounced The D-al-s not Dallas. Considering both The Dalles and Dallas, Oregon have good fishing and lots of lost fishermen, odds are the locals will assume you really do mean Dallas and give you directions involving I-5 and the East Salem Freeway, on the other side of the state automatically, whether or not you're there to fish. I've seen it happen. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABjz+UzgNqloQMwcRAryLAJ9Zy0dKRX/JiYbxmOP/1AaVSC2YhgCcCjhI /e4+4T/bzspEDH3Cso1mLcU= =xVTi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +, Pigeon wrote: (the average distance a tourist moves from their car is 300 yds or some such number). Just far enough to get to a public toilet... I never understood this. I usually try to find some compromise with being able to get out easily and not having to walk more than four blocks from where I parked if I'm at home, work or on errands. But if I'm out on vacation, the car's just gonna get ditched from time to time along the way. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABj51UzgNqloQMwcRAsb4AKCitigWpwyJTPLQZSKm7t7AOxFmlQCfSJPP Z8ohGnWy9YZEQQRSiIQRfH8= =RM5+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: snip A humble request: could everybody be more consciencous about dropping offensive terms like KKK. The cognitive processes preceding such an utterance disturb me. Being from the South, I am really sensitive about it, because people tend to conflate all Southerners with such behavior. The other day Greg Proops did a bit on the Comedy Channel about Southerners having gills, pointy heads, and needing to cross-breed. Just because *some* negative examples of a group of people exist does not mean its okay to name them in polite company. Negative examples can be constructed for any group. How about adding the children of the former awful people to the sensitivity awareness mechanism in your brain. I'm from the South (USA) as well, and I'm _not_ very sensitive about it. There _are_ inbred, pointy-headed biggots in the South. But only idiots think all people from the South act/think like that. Or people who have never been there and met/dealt with Southerners. I can't imagine why we should pay any attention to people who spout off about things of which they're completely ignorant. More importantly, crank down the sensitivity knob, bubba. One of the worst problems in America (and the rest of the civilized world) today is exactly this sort of grievance mentality. The world is full of louts who don't pay much attention to the effects they create, or who like nothing better than to tweak people like you. You can either whine about it, or toughen up. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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how about /thread ?? no flame, no war. Just Debian, please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:28:36AM +, Richard Lyons wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2004 16:29, Jim Higson wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. I spent most of my visit playing Sonic2 on a RedHat laptop. And then there's the people (mostly American) standing around filming the stones with their camcorder - huh? Really, the main problem is that it is far too distant from London, where most of the target audience (American or other) is visiting. Far better would be a good replica close to London, complete with Did someone say Legoes! Now that they are dumping the mindstrom legos, they want to focus on JUST LEGOS! ask them to build a lego stonehenge (actual size!) x-) underground cinema/planetarium and all the gimmicks to explain the theories about what people might have done there. Then 95% of visitors would use the replica for their filming and visiting. They would not want to touch the stones because of the feeling of awe (however misplaced). Many more visitors could be accommodated, and they would pay for the convenience and ancilliary facilities. If that became over-crowded, a second one could be built, perhaps near one of the other main tourist attractions in Britain. Meanwhile, relieved of pressure, the original could be freed of restrictions and returned to being a set of old stones in a field with a signboard for the interested, as it was when I first saw it. Doesn't solve the problem of the neodruids, but they aren't much of a problem anyway... Any investors here? Once we get Stonehenge-plus up and running, there are a few other historic heaps that could be replicated so as to make them more accessible. And imagine the boost to revenues if a city not too many Americans visit constructed a stonehenge-plus, and a Windsor Castle with access to the parts the public don't get to see, a Number 10 fully open to the public, etc. Oh yes, and a Broadmoor and a Holloway womens prison with actresses as guards and prisoners, and... -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Did someone say Legoes! Now that they are dumping the mindstrom legos, they want to focus on JUST LEGOS! ask them to build a lego stonehenge (actual size!) x-) Already done, but not in original size: http://www.x-brick.de/legoland/windsor/stonehenge.jpg joerg -- Gib GATES keine Chance! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:01:48PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: I'm from the South (USA) as well, and I'm _not_ very sensitive about it. There _are_ inbred, pointy-headed biggots in the South. But only idiots think all people from the South act/think like that. Or people who have never been there and met/dealt with Southerners. I can't imagine why we should pay any attention to people who spout off about things of which they're completely ignorant. And from the people I know from the South, and having been to Idaho, I'd say if you really want to go for the overpowering, stereotypical southerner, go to Idaho. Replace wife-beaters with flannel and an Albertan accent instead of a southern drawl. I saw more than one GEO Metro with a gun rack in Couer d'Alane. Granted, though, my experience of southerners is fairly limited to fairly well-off tourists visiting Portland, and a friend of mine who used to be radio personality Jim Dandy on some 100 kilowatt FM country-music station in Oxford, MS, so my perception is likely skewed comically. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAB4bbUzgNqloQMwcRAqsKAJ9cBJC3h6Tvty0ntIk9TFaj1JrG4QCeNB+d U2oYpaN63kWHXsmVlFBMGhs= =8MWE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 16:29, Jim Higson wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. I spent most of my visit playing Sonic2 on a RedHat laptop. And then there's the people (mostly American) standing around filming the stones with their camcorder - huh? Really, the main problem is that it is far too distant from London, where most of the target audience (American or other) is visiting. Far better would be a good replica close to London, complete with underground cinema/planetarium and all the gimmicks to explain the theories about what people might have done there. Then 95% of visitors would use the replica for their filming and visiting. They would not want to touch the stones because of the feeling of awe (however misplaced). Many more visitors could be accommodated, and they would pay for the convenience and ancilliary facilities. If that became over-crowded, a second one could be built, perhaps near one of the other main tourist attractions in Britain. Meanwhile, relieved of pressure, the original could be freed of restrictions and returned to being a set of old stones in a field with a signboard for the interested, as it was when I first saw it. Doesn't solve the problem of the neodruids, but they aren't much of a problem anyway... Any investors here? Once we get Stonehenge-plus up and running, there are a few other historic heaps that could be replicated so as to make them more accessible. And imagine the boost to revenues if a city not too many Americans visit constructed a stonehenge-plus, and a Windsor Castle with access to the parts the public don't get to see, a Number 10 fully open to the public, etc. Oh yes, and a Broadmoor and a Holloway womens prison with actresses as guards and prisoners, and... -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Richard Lyons wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2004 16:29, Jim Higson wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. I spent most of my visit playing Sonic2 on a RedHat laptop. And then there's the people (mostly American) standing around filming the stones with their camcorder - huh? Really, the main problem is that it is far too distant from London, That's true to a point ... where most of the target audience (American or other) is visiting. Far better would be a good replica close to London, complete with underground cinema/planetarium and all the gimmicks to explain the theories about what people might have done there. Then 95% of visitors would use the replica for their filming and visiting. They would not want to touch the stones because of the feeling of awe (however misplaced). Many more visitors could be accommodated, and they would pay for the convenience and ancilliary facilities. But surely it would be far better to build the replica in America and save them all the hassle of a long plane flight! The food would be familiar. There could even be stonehenge-east in say Atlantic City and stonehenge-west at Disneyland. BTW, the general approach is pretty much what's been done in the Lake District. There's one road that's been improved and leads to the place that tourists are supposed to go (the average distance a tourist moves from their car is 300 yds or some such number). Then there are lots of lanes and paths where nobody but locals and oddball tourists go :) Cheers, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thus spake Dave Howorth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... But surely it would be far better to build the replica in America and save them all the hassle of a long plane flight! The food would be familiar. There could even be stonehenge-east in say Atlantic City and stonehenge-west at Disneyland. I seem to recall from Gerald Hawkins' book that there is a replica in the USA. He pointed out that its location prevents any of the astronomical alignments the original has. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Deryk Barker wrote: Thus spake Dave Howorth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... But surely it would be far better to build the replica in America and save them all the hassle of a long plane flight! The food would be familiar. There could even be stonehenge-east in say Atlantic City and stonehenge-west at Disneyland. I seem to recall from Gerald Hawkins' book that there is a replica in the USA. He pointed out that its location prevents any of the astronomical alignments the original has. Washington State, along the Columbia River http://www.mind.net/dlmark/gorgesto.htm http://www.gorgeexplorer.com/Attractions.htm#Stonehenge -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:49:24AM +, Dave Howorth wrote: Richard Lyons wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2004 16:29, Jim Higson wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. I spent most of my visit playing Sonic2 on a RedHat laptop. And then there's the people (mostly American) standing around filming the stones with their camcorder - huh? Really, the main problem is that it is far too distant from London, That's true to a point ... ...but it's not that much further from London than Stratford-upon-Avon is. It's just that (unless you're a pseudodruid) there's maybe 10 minutes worth of interest in it. A lot of big stones in a rather bleak field miles from anywhere, and there's practically no public transport. So if you're a foreign tourist without your own car you either pay a fortune to a happy taxi driver, or get bored for four hours waiting for a bus back to civilisation. Better to spend the money on a decent book about the place. BTW, the general approach is pretty much what's been done in the Lake District. There's one road that's been improved and leads to the place that tourists are supposed to go Ah yes, the Windermere motorway... Funny thing is, Windermere town is one of the most boring places in the Lake District. (the average distance a tourist moves from their car is 300 yds or some such number). Just far enough to get to a public toilet... Then there are lots of lanes and paths where nobody but locals and oddball tourists go :) ...and they all end up on top of Scafell Pike. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:49:24AM +, Dave Howorth wrote: [snip] It's just that (unless you're a pseudodruid) there's maybe 10 minutes worth of interest in it. A lot of big stones in a rather bleak field miles from anywhere, and there's practically no public transport. So if you're a [snip] Then there are lots of lanes and paths where nobody but locals and oddball tourists go :) What my middle-aged friend did was sneak some dope into the country in his shampoo bottle and smoke a pipe on the hill, trip out on the countryside, then went into town for a pint. You'd be surprised how many great stories start that way... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 04:29:37PM -, Jim Higson wrote: And then there's the people (mostly American) standing around filming the stones with their camcorder - huh? Long before everyone was walking around like retarded idiots, paying attention to the phone instead of what they were doing, Americans were wandering around running into things and stumbling around like drunk hobos, video camera welded to the head. It's just something those with more money than braincells do on this side of the pond... - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABjOAUzgNqloQMwcRAt3eAJ45GKlxu/wNJl0ccfsYNWQwD8FQcgCcDHn6 jphgCXBxh21Hw+uTmJlBcy0= =E+vc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:36:33PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: Personally I find this request unreasonable. Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. Um, duh, Godwin? Godwin said nothing of the sort. http://ursine.ca/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABjhBUzgNqloQMwcRAl74AKDJecd3szVftSUsExl1zhrwmNq5ugCbBIms iVkxctmtPbBUjDVl5amOFHQ= =e/ye -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. I spent most of my visit playing Sonic2 on a RedHat laptop. And then there's the people (mostly American) standing around filming the stones with their camcorder - huh? -- Jim Higson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake Jim Higson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! No, the presentation, the limitation of access, suck. Stonehenge itself is a truly strange monument - try sleeping overnight in the back of your car within sight of it, as I once did. Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. Well the stones which have fallen doen did so a long time ago. AFAIK there have been no stones falling since Stonehenge became a tourist attraction. My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On January 13, 2004 14:12, Deryk Barker wrote: ... My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. While I agree they're little more than idiots, referring to their garb as KKK-style is a bit much considering that their outfits probably pre-date the KKK by a century or two. In fact, it's likely the KKK copied the Druids' outfits. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:12:38 -0800, Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus spake Jim Higson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! No, the presentation, the limitation of access, suck. Stonehenge itself is a truly strange monument - try sleeping overnight in the back of your car within sight of it, as I once did. I have. Well, not in a car, but I don't think internal combusion was the missing ingredent. I suppose I'm just not superstitious/spirtual/whatever. Other than the feat of building it I found it about as 'strange' as any other pile of stones. I'd rather visit the nearby Salisbury cathedral anyday. Now that's spectacular. Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. Well the stones which have fallen doen did so a long time ago. AFAIK there have been no stones falling since Stonehenge became a tourist attraction. Ok, it doesn't really matter to me when they fell down, it's still prettty underwhelming. I don't mean to say that I'm not interested in my history, but when it's this plain I'm happy to read about it in books. Maybe I just don't get it. My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. Ok, but I don't think they have any less right than you or I. -- Jim Higson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:12:38 -0800, Deryk Barker wrote: My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. I am *so* glad that you posted this. So much nonsense is talked about the Druids, and me being Welsh and they being my forebears, I get probably more irritated than most. Oh, and, don't believe what Caesar wrote in De Bello Gallico anyway. It's not really a history; his motivation was political in writing a self-aggrandizing set of stories about himself, and to provide excuses for his failures, like twice getting his ass kicked out of Britain, by portraying his enemies, in this case the British people and Druids, as conducting unpleasant rituals such as wholesale human sacrifice, when,as far as I am aware, there is no evidence that such practices took place. I'm no history scholar, just my personal opinion. I am basing my remarks on memory of Julius Caesar's writing. I do not have a very high opinion of Julius Caesar, as is probably obvious. It's a shame that his assassination did not re-establish the Republic. Thanks again, though, for your remarks, very heartening to know that not everybody falls for the modern Druid idiocy. -- paul Programming without a hex editor is like watchmaking without a hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake David P James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On January 13, 2004 14:12, Deryk Barker wrote: ... My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. While I agree they're little more than idiots, referring to their garb as KKK-style is a bit much considering that their outfits probably pre-date the KKK by a century or two. In fact, it's likely the KKK copied the Druids' outfits. Indeed. I wasn't imputing anything, rather attempting to use a shorthand that most people would recognise. Mea culpa. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake Jim Higson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:12:38 -0800, Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. ... Ok, but I don't think they have any less right than you or I. Absoltely. What bugs me is that they are currently given more rights: in particular to perform their rituals at sunrise on midsummer's day. Nobody else is allowed to do this. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 07:28:51PM -0800, Deryk Barker wrote: Thus spake David P James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [snip] These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. While I agree they're little more than idiots, referring to their garb as KKK-style is a bit much considering that their outfits probably pre-date the KKK by a century or two. In fact, it's likely the KKK copied the Druids' outfits. Indeed. I wasn't imputing anything, rather attempting to use a shorthand that most people would recognise. Mea culpa. A humble request: could everybody be more consciencous about dropping offensive terms like KKK. The cognitive processes preceding such an utterance disturb me. Being from the South, I am really sensitive about it, because people tend to conflate all Southerners with such behavior. The other day Greg Proops did a bit on the Comedy Channel about Southerners having gills, pointy heads, and needing to cross-breed. Just because *some* negative examples of a group of people exist does not mean its okay to name them in polite company. Negative examples can be constructed for any group. How about adding the children of the former awful people to the sensitivity awareness mechanism in your brain. Thanks for your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
-Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2004 2:41 PM To: Debian Users Subject: Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 07:28:51PM -0800, Deryk Barker wrote: Thus spake David P James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [snip] These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. While I agree they're little more than idiots, referring to their garb as KKK-style is a bit much considering that their outfits probably pre-date the KKK by a century or two. In fact, it's likely the KKK copied the Druids' outfits. Indeed. I wasn't imputing anything, rather attempting to use a shorthand that most people would recognise. Mea culpa. A humble request: could everybody be more consciencous about dropping offensive terms like KKK. The cognitive processes preceding such an utterance disturb me. Being from the South, I am really sensitive about it, because people tend to conflate all Southerners with such behavior. The other day Greg Proops did a bit on the Comedy Channel about Southerners having gills, pointy heads, and needing to cross-breed. Just because *some* negative examples of a group of people exist does not mean its okay to name them in polite company. Negative examples can be constructed for any group. How about adding the children of the former awful people to the sensitivity awareness mechanism in your brain. Thanks for your time. Personally I find this request unreasonable. Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. As for Stone Henge, I find the absolute lack of effort from the government to look after this area of England. As an attraction it has awful facilities. Wasn't there some plans to build a semi subterranean complex so the plain was not spoilt ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: Personally I find this request unreasonable. Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. Um, duh, Godwin? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Nano Nano wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: Personally I find this request unreasonable. Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. Um, duh, Godwin? hehe - for those like me who thought wtf!?: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html A better comparison might have been - 'Not unlike if Americans ask everyone not to mention George Bush ever again'. Andy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
