Re: Configuring a monitor (power downs)
Hello Virtanen, Re the power problems you're having: 1. You've disabled the BIOS power management features on the MB, presumably using S/W on ROM, supplied on bootable fd with the MB or installed onto a small 'maintenance partition' on your 'root' HD. 2. You've told the M$ OS not to use power management features (M$ might be temporarily overwriting settings in such a way that only a full power cycle will properly reset them - I don't know for sure on this one but I've had problems that have suggested it and some H/W I've installed has required it after initial installation - some NICs for example) 3. M$ has no problems with your H/W but Debian does - this implies your H/W is ok and points at Debian (If it was inconsistent with M$ too, then suspct the H/W). 4. You say that power goes off while booting Debian - is this consistent (that is, each time it powers down while booting - obviously, it doesn't always power-down on boot, otherwise you wouldn't have the X problem) - does it power-down at the same point each time, assuming you get some sort of info before it happens? If it is consistent, then Debian is doing something specific to make it happen. 5. If it isn't consistent, then why is Debian being inconsistent? 6. If Debian is doing something to power-down during boot, then it must be either the loader or the kernel, or something compiled into it [the kernel]. If it's not right with no power management features compiled into the kernel - change it. Try with the PM features compiled in. And why not try the MB BIOS too, as it's not working anyway, try enabling it [PM] through basic to advanced (if you've got those options). One at a time though! to start with. Each time you change something, see what effect it appears to have (I hope we don't have to resort to timing things - pretty tedious and usually inconclusive) I've just spotted, in one of your postings: With Win95 the power goes off automatically when I stop the os - M$ is managing your power! If the power switch is one of the simple (cheap and common) 'push to make - release to break' type, and doesn't 'click' on and off (push to make - push to break), or a toggle type, then your PC isn't getting completely powered down. I can't say exactly what is still powered-up but certainly the PSU management system, which is probably quite intelligent these days. There may be 'BIOS' settings in there (the PSU). Some elements of the PSU will always still be active, with a 'simple' power switch, because it needs power to detect the 'make' signal from the switch when you push it. Otherwise you would have to hold the switch in all the time. If it's a 'wake-on-lan' MB, there will be even more MB systems running while your system is 'powered down'. We don't know what is causing this problem, but to me it points to something in your Debian kernel behaving inconsistently (although sometimes consistent (Eh!) in the boot-up - power-down scenario). We should be able to come up with /possible/ answers to what is going on that could cause what happens, and then investigate that. Re the dependencies thing, I find dselect pretty good in that respect - in fact I rely upon it. However, I have downloaded everything via ftp so don't have anything near a complete distribution (less than 100 MB - fits on a ZIP100) and have found that if I don't have the .deb for a package and try to install it, dselect doesn't notice the fact and just shows it as installed ok. It only points this out when you try to install a dependee. Try not to get too down about this - I recently wasted three days trying to install NTS on a new server before I found that the NT boot floppies asked an extra question when compared to the M$-Select CD I was using. Could you mail me your /etc/XF86Config? - I'd like to have a look at that. I've got to say that I'm a Debian newbie, but I've 'done' 25 years on 'other' various systems. Re your (and everyone else's (computer)) problem, either it can be fixed, or we can find out why it can't. Best thing about computers is there is no random element in the design, so we know there is an answer. It's just tracking it down that's the hard (best) part. Bye, LeeE -- http://www.spatial.freeserve.co.uk
Re: Configuring a monitor (power downs)
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Lee Elliott wrote: I've tried to put almost all the BIOS settings into 'default' mode now. Besides 'shadow ram' and 'apm'. I've used to take even the power-cord out the box after shutting down. It has worked now. (cf later) Hello Virtanen, Re the power problems you're having: 4. You say that power goes off while booting Debian - is this consistent (that is, each time it powers down while booting - obviously, it doesn't always power-down on boot, otherwise you wouldn't have the X problem) - does it power-down at the same point each time, assuming you get some sort of info before it happens? There wasn't any info... it just went down. If it is consistent, then Debian is doing something specific to make it happen. 5. If it isn't consistent, then why is Debian being inconsistent? 6. If Debian is doing something to power-down during boot, then it must be either the loader or the kernel, or something compiled into it [the kernel]. If it's not right with no power management features compiled into the kernel - change it. Try with the PM features compiled in. I've just spotted, in one of your postings: With Win95 the power goes off automatically when I stop the os - M$ is managing your power! If the power switch is one of the simple (cheap and common) 'push to make - release to break' type, and doesn't 'click' on and off (push to make - push to break), or a toggle type, then your PC isn't getting completely powered down. Exactly that 'push' type, not click on and off. Exactly PC isn't completely powered down. I can't say exactly what is still powered-up but certainly the PSU management system, which is probably quite intelligent these days. There may be 'BIOS' settings in there (the PSU). Some elements of the PSU will always still be active, with a 'simple' power switch, because it needs power to detect the 'make' signal from the switch when you push it. Otherwise you would have to hold the switch in all the time. If it's a 'wake-on-lan' MB, there will be even more MB systems running while your system is 'powered down'. What is PSU? Basically you're telling exactly similar things, what I've been thinking about. I think that I have to keep some break between booting again and shutting down... It might as well be the case that, while I'm using 'loadlin' (I couldn't install LILO for some reason, I'll try now again.) there could be some info loaded in from DOS... But why didn't it do it always... that power going down-behaviour? I'll see, if it will start working now, after putting BIOS almost back to 'default' settings. It seems to be the case that someone has made his own settings before me. There might be some other settings changed as well... I'll open the machine during next week. (to see if there is even 'overclocked' cpu) But the problem is that it was working very well with windows... And not consistetly with debian... Try not to get too down about this - I recently wasted three days trying to install NTS on a new server before I found that the NT boot floppies asked an extra question when compared to the M$-Select CD I was using. Could you mail me your /etc/XF86Config? - I'd like to have a look at that. X works now, because of the new svga-server, which seems to be capable for Mattrox cards. I've got to say that I'm a Debian newbie, but I've 'done' 25 years on 'other' various systems. Re your (and everyone else's (computer)) problem, either it can be fixed, or we can find out why it can't. Best thing about computers is there is no random element in the design, so we know there is an answer. It's just tracking it down that's the hard (best) part. Exactly. I've been working with many kinds of machines during almost all my life... more than 30 years experience with machines, (but only 15 years with computers...) I might have beaten this beast now. LeeE -hv
Re: Configuring a monitor (power downs)
Hello virtanen, On 20-Aug-99, you wrote: snip... v What is PSU? PSU = Power Supply Unit. Typically found in PCs in AT or ATX formats - I think the main difference is in the MB power connector. I know they contain enough electronics to shut themselves down if they detect a short across their power-out lines. v I think that I have to keep some break between booting again and v shutting down... There are capacitors/condensors on the MB that will hold a charge, after full power-down. About 30 seconds is usually enough for the charges to drop to unusable levels. v But why didn't it do it always... that power going down-behaviour? and ok with M$ :-/ It really seems to point to Debian being inconsistent. v I'll see, if it will start working now, after putting BIOS almost v back to 'default' settings. It seems to be the case that someone has v made his own settings before me. There might be some other settings v changed as well... I'll open the machine during next week. (to see if v there is even 'overclocked' cpu) v v But the problem is that it was working very well with windows... v And not consistetly with debian... v Ironic :-/ Does your system still 'power-down' when you shut down W95? If it does, disable the W95 power management features from with W95 - probably via the Control Panel - I can't say for sure as I don't have M$ at home :-) v v X works now, because of the new svga-server, which seems to be v capable for Mattrox cards. v Good - well done. v v I might have beaten this beast now. v Certainly getting an 'angle' on it. Regards, LeeE -- http://www.spatial.freeserve.co.uk
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
(Now the power problem seems to be solved. (Came back to this damn machine after some rest. My other debian box works well.) The power shut-off seems to be related to that windows-button 'let windows take care of power'...) Now again to the video-card and monitor. The card is as follows: Matrox MGA-G100 (AGP) PowerDesk On-Board Memory 8MB Board mapping D800 RAMDAC speed 230 MHz And the monitor is: HL 7870S Hyundai 17 1) Does anyone know, which card I should select: a) Mattrox Millenium II b) Mattrox Millenium II AGP c) none of the above, which one? 2) The problem is that I can make X working in a way, but the resolution seems to be something like 320 x 200 and no crlt-alt +/- combination changes that. (yes, I know that it is meant that numeric keyboard.) How should I configure the monitor to get an usable screen (now for example with fwv95 the panel buttons are so big that almost the whole screen is filled with those only) or is the problewm with the video card? I have used both xf86config and XF86Setup, the result is the same. -hv [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
The card is as follows: Matrox MGA-G100 (AGP) PowerDesk On-Board Memory 8MB Board mapping D800 RAMDAC speed 230 MHz And the monitor is: HL 7870S Hyundai 17 1) Does anyone know, which card I should select: a) Mattrox Millenium II b) Mattrox Millenium II AGP c) none of the above, which one? c) This is a FAQ. You need a more recent version of XFree. You can download it with apt-get from: deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ You will likely succeed by simply replacing the XF86_SVGA binary if you have to (start with the xserver-svga package). -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 6623'rd GNU/Linux user at the Counter - http://counter.li.org/
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: The card is as follows: Matrox MGA-G100 (AGP) PowerDesk On-Board Memory 8MB Board mapping D800 RAMDAC speed 230 MHz And the monitor is: HL 7870S Hyundai 17 1) Does anyone know, which card I should select: a) Mattrox Millenium II b) Mattrox Millenium II AGP c) none of the above, which one? c) This is a FAQ. You need a more recent version of XFree. You can download it with apt-get from: deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ There is no apt-get available. The machine is not netted (yet). Where is it there? I can use another OS to get it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, virtanen wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: The card is as follows: Matrox MGA-G100 (AGP) PowerDesk On-Board Memory 8MB Board mapping D800 RAMDAC speed 230 MHz This is a FAQ. You need a more recent version of XFree. You can download it with apt-get from: deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ There is no apt-get available. The machine is not netted (yet). Where is it there? Installed xfree86-common 3.3.3.1-10 from 'unstable'. It wasn't possible to install Package: xserver-svga 3.3.3.1-10 because of dependency problems. No difference. The screen is the same as before. - hv [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
You have to resolve the dependency problem first. IIRC, the driver you need is exactly xserver-svga 3.3.3.1-10 ,the file that was causing you trouble ;-) Good luck Vitux Error is human; complete disaster takes a computer -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: virtanen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt:19. august 1999 18:13 Til: Debian Users Mailing List Cc: recipient list not shown Emne: Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)? On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, virtanen wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: The card is as follows: Matrox MGA-G100 (AGP) PowerDesk On-Board Memory 8MB Board mapping D800 RAMDAC speed 230 MHz This is a FAQ. You need a more recent version of XFree. You can download it with apt-get from: deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ There is no apt-get available. The machine is not netted (yet). Where is it there? Installed xfree86-common 3.3.3.1-10 from 'unstable'. It wasn't possible to install Package: xserver-svga 3.3.3.1-10 because of dependency problems. No difference. The screen is the same as before. - hv [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
virtanen wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, virtanen wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: The card is as follows: Matrox MGA-G100 (AGP) PowerDesk On-Board Memory 8MB Board mapping D800 RAMDAC speed 230 MHz This is a FAQ. You need a more recent version of XFree. You can download it with apt-get from: deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ There is no apt-get available. The machine is not netted (yet). Where is it there? http://ftp.netgod.net/x/xserver-svga_3.3.3.1-2_i386.deb Installed xfree86-common 3.3.3.1-10 from 'unstable'. It wasn't possible to install Package: xserver-svga 3.3.3.1-10 because of dependency problems. Right. The version at netgod is compiled for slink, so should be okay. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 6623'rd GNU/Linux user at the Counter - http://counter.li.org/
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
I'm not an expert, and I haven't tried it (-yet) but I gather it is possible to tell dselect that you want to get some stuff from potato. Dselect IMHO is really good at handling depencies... Maybe some of the wiz'es know what the latest Xserver-svga depends on?! Regards :-) Vitux Error is human; complete disaster takes a computer -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: virtanen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt:19. august 1999 18:52 Til: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: recipient list not shown Emne: Re: SV: Configuring a monitor (and video card)? On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to resolve the dependency problem first. IIRC, the driver you need is exactly xserver-svga 3.3.3.1-10 ,the file that was causing you trouble while doing dpkg -i there is no advice available to see, what kind of packages are needed to solve dependency problems... It is just telling you that this won't do... Anyway, I tried to install xserver-svga 3.3.3.1-10 (once again). To see, if it is possible to find out what to do for it. This time I had again a sudden power-shut-down. While the machine just announced 'unpacking...' (so there is something else besides that 'Windows-button'.) Now the complete system is again broken, no kernel or X starting. No dependency problems either. Going home. Got enough for today. -hv [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?
virtanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a FAQ. You need a more recent version of XFree. You can download it with apt-get from: deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ There is no apt-get available. The machine is not netted (yet). Where is it there? I can use another OS to get it. I succeeded by just downloading the binary of the server from xfree.org and putting it in place. kind Regards, -- Eberhard Burrcheck http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Eberhard.Burr/publickey.asc for PGP Key -- #include stddisc.h -- electric cookie follows Don't try to outweird me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal. - Zaphod Beeblebrox in Hithiker's Guide to the Galaxy
APM/LILO [was Re: Configuring a monitor?]
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 09:24:39AM +0300, virtanen wrote On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Andrei Ivanov wrote: while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) Could be that Win95 is overriding what you put in the BIOS. Try disabling the auto power-off in Windows before running loadlin, if it gives you the option. Why not LILO? Whats wrong with the system? Andrew For some reason it didn't work. I don't remember exactly any more what went wrong, but for some time I couldn't run even win any more after trying to install lilo. I might try again after solving some other problems of this machine. There is something I should do for BIOS, but I've tried already to adjust it so many times without success that I became a little frustrated with that. Decided to try solving that video card problem for a while and to come back to this BIOS problem later. You know, you can install LILO onto a floppy and muck about with it there, so you can get it sorted without risking making your machine unbootable; just make sure you use boot=/dev/fd0 in /etc/lilo.conf instead of something like boot=/dev/hda or boot=/dev/hda2 John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh - I - you know - my job is to fear everything. - Bill Gates in Denmark
Re: APM/LILO [was Re: Configuring a monitor?]
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, John Pearson wrote: while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) Could be that Win95 is overriding what you put in the BIOS. Try disabling the auto power-off in Windows before running loadlin, if it gives you the option. Thanks. I'll try to do this next. I didn't know that there was that kind of button in win95. Now I've found it. Even after disabling that auto-power-off the machine does auto-power-off while stopping win95! The difference is that it does that auto-power-off even earlier now while stopping win... But probably it made a change anyway. I'll try installing slink again when I'll have time. You know, you can install LILO onto a floppy and muck about with it there, so you can get it sorted without risking making your machine unbootable; just make sure you use boot=/dev/fd0 in /etc/lilo.conf instead of something like boot=/dev/hda or boot=/dev/hda2 I will try that as well. -hv
Re: Configuring a monitor?
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Keith G. Murphy wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote: The actual power goes off while booting? To your whole machine? Linux cannot do this, AFAIK. (Unless with power-saving features compiled in?) You have a severe hardware problem. Exactly. The power goes off while booting. It has something to do with BIOS settings, I think, (not linux) (PnP BIOS) All the 'Advanced power management...' and so on are 'disabled'. No 'power-saving features are compiled in'. It seems to be the case that if I shut down the machine completely before booting linux it normally works. I think that I just forgot again to stop the machine completely (just rebooted win and hit F8 while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) Power supply? There is nothing wrong with that. Cf above. - hv
Re: Configuring a monitor?
while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) Why not LILO? Whats wrong with the system? Andrew --- Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN 12402354 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv --Little things for Linux. http://www.missouri.edu/~c680789 --Computer languages of the world My work in progress. ---
Re: Configuring a monitor?
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Andrei Ivanov wrote: while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) Why not LILO? Whats wrong with the system? Andrew For some reason it didn't work. I don't remember exactly any more what went wrong, but for some time I couldn't run even win any more after trying to install lilo. I might try again after solving some other problems of this machine. There is something I should do for BIOS, but I've tried already to adjust it so many times without success that I became a little frustrated with that. Decided to try solving that video card problem for a while and to come back to this BIOS problem later. -hv
Re: Configuring a monitor?
Exactly. The power goes off while booting. It has something to do with BIOS settings, I think, (not linux) (PnP BIOS) All the 'Advanced power management...' and so on are 'disabled'. No 'power-saving features are compiled in'. It seems to be the case that if I shut down the machine completely before booting linux it normally works. I think that I just forgot again to stop the machine completely (just rebooted win and hit F8 while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) I wouldn't put it past Win95 to try and use APM even though you have it turned off in the BIOS. One thing that might be worth a try is going into Control Panel, double click on Power and un-check the box next to Allow Windows to manage power use on this computer. I'm not sure if that would help or not, but I don't know what it could hurt.
Re: Configuring a monitor?
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Patrick Olson wrote: Exactly. The power goes off while booting. It has something to do with BIOS settings, I think, (not linux) (PnP BIOS) All the 'Advanced power management...' and so on are 'disabled'. No 'power-saving features are compiled in'. It seems to be the case that if I shut down the machine completely before booting linux it normally works. I think that I just forgot again to stop the machine completely (just rebooted win and hit F8 while rebooting to get into DOS. There is win95 installed on the same hd and I'm using 'loadlin'. (It was impossible to get lilo working with this machine.) With win95 the power goes off automaticly, when I stop the os.) I wouldn't put it past Win95 to try and use APM even though you have it turned off in the BIOS. One thing that might be worth a try is going into Control Panel, double click on Power and un-check the box next to Allow Windows to manage power use on this computer. I'm not sure if that would help or not, but I don't know what it could hurt. Hi! This was probably the trick! It was very good advice. Thanks! I didn't really know that there was that kind of box available... I used win95 quite short time at home, because I installed quite soon linux on it (after I bought that kind of machine, which could run win95). This machine (, which is at my working place) has been installed by our computer-wizard. And he is at holidays. Probably I'll manage to install the whole slink now a lot easier... - hv
Re: Configuring a monitor?
1) I tried it that way that gave it as the ONLY POSSIBILITY 1280x1024 and it made absolutely no effect. What resolution are you getting? I think the default would be 320x200, in case a server fails to start in the mode specified. Check that you are using the right server. Try SVGA first, then use more video-card specific servers. Andrew --- Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN 12402354 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv --Little things for Linux. http://www.missouri.edu/~c680789 --Computer languages of the world My work in progress. ---
Re: Configuring a monitor?
On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Andrei Ivanov wrote: What resolution are you getting? I think the default would be 320x200, in case a server fails to start in the mode specified. Yes it was that. Check that you are using the right server. Try SVGA first, then use more video-card specific servers. Andrew It should have been the right one. That Mattrox Millenium seems to be using SVGA. Someone suggested using ctl-alt-+(num) to switch between resolutions. That method never worked. There was only that one resolution available. There might be support for that card available in later xfree-debs, I'll see...? Someone suggested that. But yesterday night the whole system crashed again. There has been a strange problem with the machine. Sometimes while booting the power goes off suddently and then the whole system is unusable, because the whole file-system is broken then. It made it again... I'll try to install debian there once again later, I think (done 6 times already...). The machine is at my working place and there is a partition of 2 Gb available for debian installation. But I never found it out in the BIOS what to do for that sudden power-off. It is probably the case that from win it loads automaticly some setting for BIOS. I think that I forgot yesterday to shut off the machine completely before booting debian... Might have used from win 'reboot-computer'... and then loadlin after booting to dos-only. Debian is on the same hd as win and I'm using loadlin (couldn't get lilo working at all.) - hv
Re: Configuring a monitor?
virtanen wrote: Yes it was that. It should have been the right one. That Mattrox Millenium seems to be using SVGA. Someone suggested using ctl-alt-+(num) to switch between resolutions. That method never worked. There was only that one resolution available. There might be support for that card available in later xfree-debs, I'll see...? Someone suggested that. But yesterday night the whole system crashed again. There has been a strange problem with the machine. Sometimes while booting the power goes off suddently and then the whole system is unusable, because the whole file-system is broken then. It made it again... I'm no guru, but this is damn peculiar. I noticed that someone mentioned that you grab the latest X. Do you know what version you're using? Is the G100 listed in the card database? I have a G200 myself, and I had to upgrade to 3.3.3.1-10 cuz the X on the slink CDs didn't support my card. Also, when specifying the horizontal and vertical frequencies, are you pressing Enter after entering each range in the appropriate box? I noticed that when you don't, the values you type in aren't reflected in the red bars indicating the ranges. I don't know if this is significant, but it doesn't seem to hurt. To switch between resolutions you press the combo Ctrl-Alt-(+/-) to cycle forward and backward thru them. -- __ _ Mark Wagnon Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ http://www.debian.org
Re: Configuring a monitor?
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote: It should have been the right one. That Mattrox Millenium seems to be using SVGA. Someone suggested using ctl-alt-+(num) to switch between resolutions. That method never worked. There was only that one resolution available. There might be support for that card available in later xfree-debs, I'll see...? Someone suggested that. But yesterday night the whole system crashed again. There has been a strange problem with the machine. Sometimes while booting the power goes off suddently and then the whole system is unusable, because the whole file-system is broken then. It made it again... I'm no guru, but this is damn peculiar. I'm getting tired of this. But it might be the case that I just have to remember to shut the power off altogether before booting debian... because it lasted this time quite long... before it... I noticed that someone mentioned that you grab the latest X. Do you know what version you're using? Is the G100 listed in the card database? It wasn't there. I was just upgrading for that 3.3.3.1.-10 when the whole system crashed (again). That might be the solution for the whole thing. I'll try to do that nex time, if I once more install debian in this damn machine... I have a G200 myself, and I had to upgrade to 3.3.3.1-10 cuz the X on the slink CDs didn't support my card. Also, when specifying the horizontal and vertical frequencies, are you pressing Enter after entering each range in the appropriate box? I noticed that when you don't, the values you type in aren't reflected in the red bars indicating the ranges. I don't know if this is significant, but it doesn't seem to hurt. I don't think that I did that. To switch between resolutions you press the combo Ctrl-Alt-(+/-) to cycle forward and backward thru them. That did not work at all. - hv
Re: Configuring a monitor?
virtanen wrote: I'm getting tired of this. But it might be the case that I just have to remember to shut the power off altogether before booting debian... because it lasted this time quite long... before it... When the system crashes, all the mounted filesystems are checked to make sure that they are okay. On large partitions/slower machines, this can take a while. When my system crashes, it takes upwards of five minutes to get through the boot process. It wasn't there. I was just upgrading for that 3.3.3.1.-10 when the whole system crashed (again). That might be the solution for the whole thing. I'll try to do that nex time, if I once more install debian in this damn machine... It can be frustrating at times. You'll get there. When you were upgrading to the new X packages, were you running X? I was informed a couple months ago that this is unwise. Upgrade from the console instead. Also, HOW are you upgrading? Are you using apt-get? This is the easiest way to keep your system up to date. You can upgrade to the latest X using apt-get by putting deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, and running apt-get update apt-get upgrade if you didn't already know that. I have a G200 myself, and I had to upgrade to 3.3.3.1-10 cuz the X on the slink CDs didn't support my card. Also, when specifying the horizontal and vertical frequencies, are you pressing Enter after entering each range in the appropriate box? I noticed that when you don't, the values you type in aren't reflected in the red bars indicating the ranges. I don't know if this is significant, but it doesn't seem to hurt. I don't think that I did that. Try that when you re-run XF86Setup after upgrading. To switch between resolutions you press the combo Ctrl-Alt-(+/-) to cycle forward and backward thru them. That did not work at all. It could be that you didn't have any other resolutions to choose from. I don't. Well, good luck, hang in there, and let us know how it's going! -- __ _ Mark Wagnon Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ http://www.debian.org
Re: Configuring a monitor?
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote: virtanen wrote: I'm getting tired of this. But it might be the case that I just have to remember to shut the power off altogether before booting debian... because it lasted this time quite long... before it... When the system crashes, all the mounted filesystems are checked to make sure that they are okay. On large partitions/slower machines, this can take a while. When my system crashes, it takes upwards of five minutes to get through the boot process. No, when this system crashed again, it cannot boot at all any more. There is nothing else to do than installing the whole thing again. The power goes off while booting. It can be frustrating at times. You'll get there. When you were upgrading to the new X packages, were you running X? I was informed a couple months ago that this is unwise. Upgrade from the console instead. No I used the console. X was not possible to use. Also, HOW are you upgrading? Are you using apt-get? This is the easiest way to keep your system up to date. You can upgrade to the latest X using apt-get by putting deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/ I haven't got network working yet. I have to copy all the necessary debs somewhere using networked windows. Well, good luck, hang in there, and let us know how it's going! -- Let's see. I'll bring the cds from home tomorrow and see, if I'll get it up again. - hv
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virtanen wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote: virtanen wrote: I'm getting tired of this. But it might be the case that I just have to remember to shut the power off altogether before booting debian... because it lasted this time quite long... before it... When the system crashes, all the mounted filesystems are checked to make sure that they are okay. On large partitions/slower machines, this can take a while. When my system crashes, it takes upwards of five minutes to get through the boot process. No, when this system crashed again, it cannot boot at all any more. There is nothing else to do than installing the whole thing again. The power goes off while booting. The actual power goes off while booting? To your whole machine? Linux cannot do this, AFAIK. (Unless with power-saving features compiled in?) You have a severe hardware problem. Power supply? [cut] Let's see. I'll bring the cds from home tomorrow and see, if I'll get it up again. Why bother? Fix your power difficulties first.
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1) Managed to get debian slink running in a pention II box. Managed to get even x running in a way. But. Cool. Lucky you, got P2 :) 3) During XF86Setup (I used that to configure X) I have tried various possible configurations for the monitor. They make no effect at all. The card is Matrox Millenium Mga G100 (AGP) Powerdesk and I selected SVGA Server as was suggested by a kind person on this list. The monitor is HL 7870S Hyundai 17. What kind of configurations you mean? What you need to do is this: Get the docs for monitor (or find some info on the net) about vsync/hsync rates on it. Thats the only info you need. Then, based on input that you provide to the xf86config (never used XF86Setup) it will give you a list of possible resolutions at certain bpps. I think I know where your problem lies: When you get the modes, they are always listed from the smallest to the highest. The first working one is the one used ...so you get a list like 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 All the time and you just run it. Then 640x480 is selected first and is used. So reason why all windows are so big is because you are using a crappy resolution. You need to change the order of resolutions from highest to lowest. No idea how it;'s done with XF86Setup, but in xf86config, when you get to the modes screen, just hit a key for bpp mode and follow instreuctions. 4) Must I change something in the BIOS to make it possible to configure the screen somehow? M$os says simply: 'Plug and Play monitor' Or must I use xf86config instead of XF86Setup? PnP means nothing. I got a PnP monitor, worked perfectly in 1280x1024 resolution, all I had to do was run xf86config. Andrew --- Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN 12402354 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv --Little things for Linux. http://www.missouri.edu/~c680789 --Computer languages of the world My work in progress. ---
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On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Andrei Ivanov wrote: The monitor is HL 7870S Hyundai 17. What kind of configurations you mean? What you need to do is this: Get the docs for monitor (or find some info on the net) about vsync/hsync rates on it. Thats the only info you need. Then, based on input that you provide to the xf86config (never used XF86Setup) it will give you a list of possible resolutions at certain bpps. I think I know where your problem lies: When you get the modes, they are always listed from the smallest to the highest. The first working one is the one used ...so you get a list like 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 All the time and you just run it. Then 640x480 is selected first and is used. So reason why all windows are so big is because you are using a crappy resolution. You need to change the order of resolutions from highest to lowest. No idea how it;'s done with XF86Setup, but in xf86config, when you get to the modes screen, just hit a key for bpp mode and follow instreuctions. 1) I tried it that way that gave it as the ONLY POSSIBILITY 1280x1024 and it made absolutely no effect. 2) Here are the specifications of the monitor: Part Number HL7870S CRT 17 (15.7) 0.27 mm Dot Pitch Anti-Static/Anti-GlareAnti-Reflection Input Signal (Video) Video: RGB Analog Input Connector 15 pin D-sub Scanning Frequency Horizontal: 30 ~ 70 kHz Vertical: 50 ~ 150 kHz Video Bandwidth 100 MHz Displayable Resolution VGA up to 1280x1024 Active Display Area Default: 300x225mm Max: 320x239 mm Display Color Infinite Plug-and-Play VESA DDC 1/2B Factory Preset 720 x 400 (37.5/70 kHz) Modes 640 x 480 (37.5/75 kHz, 43.3/85Hz) 800 x 600 (46.9/75 kHz, 53.7/85Hz) 1024 x 768 (60.0/75 kHz, 68.7/85Hz) 1600x1280(64/60kHz) User Control (Microprocessor) Basic, Recall, Trapezoid Rotation (Tilt), Color Temp, Color Adjust, Preset Timing, Mode Self-Test Power Management Energy Star/VESA DPMS 3) Is it possible that 'The Factory Preset mode' 720 x 400 (37.5/70 kHz) rules so that I cannot change it what ever I do? How to overrun that rule? - hv
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I would suggest downloading a new svga xserver if you haven't already. The one off the 2.1 cd was a little outdated when I tried it with a v550 and a fresh one off of ftp.xfree86.org was the solution. Until the accelerated ones from nvidia came out :) |cheshire| virtanen wrote: 1) Managed to get debian slink running in a pention II box. Managed to get even x running in a way. But. 2) The screen is impossible to use, because only the panel buttons of fvwm become so big that there is no room for anything else and almost the all of the information is 'outside' of the screen. 3) During XF86Setup (I used that to configure X) I have tried various possible configurations for the monitor. They make no effect at all. The card is Matrox Millenium Mga G100 (AGP) Powerdesk and I selected SVGA Server as was suggested by a kind person on this list. The monitor is HL 7870S Hyundai 17. 4) Must I change something in the BIOS to make it possible to configure the screen somehow? M$os says simply: 'Plug and Play monitor' Or must I use xf86config instead of XF86Setup? 5) Or what to do? -hv -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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I suggest that you use xf86config. I find that this sets up the /etc/X11/XF86Config file quite well. (I haven't used XF85Setup.) You'll need to know your monitors scan rates and stuff, though. You may have to fiddle with the /etc/X11/XF86Config after though to tweek it optimally. Marshal On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:06:25 virtanen wrote: 1) Managed to get debian slink running in a pention II box. Managed to get even x running in a way. But. 2) The screen is impossible to use, because only the panel buttons of fvwm become so big that there is no room for anything else and almost the all of the information is 'outside' of the screen. 3) During XF86Setup (I used that to configure X) I have tried various possible configurations for the monitor. They make no effect at all. The card is Matrox Millenium Mga G100 (AGP) Powerdesk and I selected SVGA Server as was suggested by a kind person on this list. The monitor is HL 7870S Hyundai 17. 4) Must I change something in the BIOS to make it possible to configure the screen somehow? M$os says simply: 'Plug and Play monitor' Or must I use xf86config instead of XF86Setup? 5) Or what to do? -hv -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (virtanen) writes: 2) The screen is impossible to use, because only the panel buttons of fvwm become so big that there is no room for anything else and almost the all of the information is 'outside' of the screen. In the manpage for XF86Config, in the 'screen' section, there is an option called 'Virtual' you may want to check out if nothings else works.
