Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark W. Blunier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ISDN is 64. T1 is a monster, and if you can't get ISDN, Its extremely unlikely that you could get one. Actually T1 is a much more available and mature (and reliable) transport than ISDN. But, not cheap at 1.536Mbps. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT and not Linux. Depends on what you mean by support. If you mean when you tell them you are using Linux, they can tell you how to set up your chatscript, then no, they usually don't support it. On the other hand, if it can run MS products, you should be able to set up Linux whithout to much of a problem. It's true -- PPP is PPP, and anything that supports it will work. I have people dialing up with Linux, SunOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, MacOS with MacPPP, MacOS with OTPPP, and dedicated routers from several vendors. It's all the same. That's why we have protocols. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much disk space is required for a Debian ftp mirror? $ du -s * | grep -v local 0 Debian-1.2 0 Debian-1.2-fixed 0 Debian-1.2-updates 0 Debian-1.2.1 2 README 8 README.mirrors 1 README.non-US 251502 bo 462513 buzz 437 buzz-fixed 65992 buzz-updates 45739 contrib 10719 debian-lists 0 development 1310doc 6808i-connect-fixes 1431indices 1337ls-lR 183 ls-lR.gz 108537 non-free 6018project 611608 rex 625 rex-fixed 28633 rex-updates 0 stable 1 timestamp.txt 1288tools 0 unstable 290 upgrades Total of 1.6GB for the three complete trees. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Couldn't an ISDN handle it? It's only a 1gig. Yes, for a private mirror. But normally you are better off using dpkg-ftp unless you have a large number of machines all tracking the unstable tree. (If you have a large number of machines all tracking the stable tree, a CD is probably the best choice.) Private mirrors don't always make much sense, and they are extra load for the machine you are mirroring from. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN, T1, T2 , etc. I'd also want to know what should I need from the ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box to the ISP. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT and not Linux. Leaving compression aside, 28.8 modem28.8 Kbps ISDN 128 Kbps (64 Kbps/B-channel) T11.44 Mbps (now we're talkin'!) T2??? is there any such thing? T338.4 Mbps (oh baby!) SMDS hmm, I think you can get up to 100Mbps frame-relay 64 Kbps to 1.44 Mbps DS1 56 Kbps Don't forget ADSL: T1 in one direction, ISDN the other, runs over existing copper lines. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of harddrive space 10G in total). I run a 14.4 modem, and it works quite nicely. Start it in the morning before I went to work, and it would run till about 3 the next morning when my ISP reset his modems. It only took 4 days. Now that its mirrored, the upkeep is very quit and easy. Mark -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote: Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN, T1, T2 , etc. I'd also want to know what should I need from the ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box to the ISP. ISDN is 64. T1 is a monster, and if you can't get ISDN, Its extremely unlikely that you could get one. And if you could, unless you are extremely wealthy, you couldn't afford it. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT and not Linux. Depends on what you mean by support. If you mean when you tell them you are using Linux, they can tell you how to set up your chatscript, then no, they usually don't support it. On the other hand, if it can run MS products, you should be able to set up Linux whithout to much of a problem. As a side note, I noted that usually the guys taking the calls are totally clueless. A friend of mine told them he was using Linux, and the guy behind the desk said 'whats that?'. His boss told him 'It's what the shell account runs on, stupid.' Also, how much faster if the the connection is PPP vs. SLIP or CSLIP? On a clean line, CSLIP is supposedly the fastest. On a dirty line, PPP is the fastest. CSLIP is faster than SLIP, since its SLIP w/ compression. However, in general, its unlikely that you would notice the difference, and for other reasons I can't remember, your probaly best off running PPP. Mark -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
28.8 modem28.8 Kbps ISDN 128 Kbps (64 Kbps/B-channel) T11.44 Mbps (now we're talkin'!) T2??? is there any such thing? T338.4 Mbps (oh baby!) SMDS hmm, I think you can get up to 100Mbps frame-relay 64 Kbps to 1.44 Mbps DS1 56 Kbps Don't forget ADSL: T1 in one direction, ISDN the other, runs over existing copper lines. Also E1, E2, E3, the European standards (also used in Australia and I suspect most places outside the USA). E1 runs at 2.048Mbps, unsure about E3, 155Mbps rings a bell. Again I don't think E2 exists. hamish -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Timothy Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. High speed here means T1 plus -- it will cost you many thousands of dollars. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
How much disk space is required for a Debian ftp mirror? I am mirroring the rex, rex-updates, buzz-updates, and the non-US as well as a few other misc. programs on 80% or a 500 meg partition. Mark -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
You dont't need a high speed link if you are very patiant. :-) The entire
mirror is around 1 Gig, so if you get a good 28.8 connection you should
be able to download about 1 meg every 6 minutes. so 1 gig would be 6000
minutes or 100 hours or about 4-5 days for the initail mirror. After
that you should be able to do it overnight.
Hope this helps,
Shaya
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On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
Hi,
I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that
I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently
I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know
how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of
all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of
harddrive space 10G in total).
Please advise and be descriptive because I'm quite novice in
this. Many THANKS!
Guy Maor wrote:
:
:Without Incoming and WebPages, 1018149 Kbytes for the whole thing.
:
:
:Guy
:
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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of harddrive space 10G in total). Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes are quite fast. If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is much more expensive than standard modems. Phil. Depending on where you live, your costs can range from reasonable, to ridiculous. I believe the original poster lives in Texas, which if I am correct is a pretty competitive area, as far a Telco costs, and ISP costs will go. O'Reilly and Associates has a great book called, Gettting Connected- The Internet at 56K and Up. Really goes into the equipment, the Telco crap, the guts of big pipes if you will. http://www.ora.com/ will lead you to the truth. Have fun. Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of harddrive space 10G in total). Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes are quite fast. If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is much more expensive than standard modems. Phil. Depending on where you live, your costs can range from reasonable, to ridiculous. I believe the original poster lives in Texas, which if I am correct is a pretty competitive area, as far a Telco costs, and ISP costs will go. O'Reilly and Associates has a great book called, Gettting Connected- The Internet at 56K and Up. Really goes into the equipment, the Telco crap, the guts of big pipes if you will. http://www.ora.com/ will lead you to the truth. Have fun. Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Michael Shields wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Timothy Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. High speed here means T1 plus -- it will cost you many thousands of dollars. -- Shields, CrossLink. Couldn't an ISDN handle it? It's only a 1gig. -- Greg. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Hi,
Many thanks to all the nice people who have replied to my question.
Regarding high speed connection, I've called my telco (GTE) about
getting an ISDN line into my home and the response was not available.
The GTE sale rep/operator said that ISDN is only available to business
establishments only.
Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN,
T1, T2 , etc. I'd also want to know what should I need from the
ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box
to the ISP. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT
and not Linux.
Also, how much faster if the the connection is PPP vs. SLIP or CSLIP?
Again, Thank you very much to all in Debian-user group. I know
that I get help from this group a lot faster and more accurate than
from the PAID software houses I've dealt with. :)
Richard Morin wrote:
:
: On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
: wrote:
:
:I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that
:I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently
:I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know
:how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of
:all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of
:harddrive space 10G in total).
:
: Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take
ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes
are quite fast.
:
: If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is
much more expensive than standard modems.
:
: Phil.
:
:Depending on where you live, your costs can range from reasonable, to
:ridiculous. I believe the original poster lives in Texas, which if I
:am correct is a pretty competitive area, as far a Telco costs, and
:ISP costs will go.
:O'Reilly and Associates has a great book called, Gettting Connected-
:The Internet at 56K and Up.
:Really goes into the equipment, the Telco crap, the guts of big
:pipes if you will.
:http://www.ora.com/
:will lead you to the truth.
:Have fun.
:Rich M
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Timothy Phan wrote: Hi, Many thanks to all the nice people who have replied to my question. Regarding high speed connection, I've called my telco (GTE) about getting an ISDN line into my home and the response was not available. The GTE sale rep/operator said that ISDN is only available to business establishments only. Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN, T1, T2 , etc. I'd also want to know what should I need from the ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box to the ISP. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT and not Linux. Also, how much faster if the the connection is PPP vs. SLIP or CSLIP? Leaving compression aside, 28.8 modem28.8 Kbps ISDN 128 Kbps (64 Kbps/B-channel) T11.44 Mbps (now we're talkin'!) T2??? is there any such thing? T338.4 Mbps (oh baby!) SMDS hmm, I think you can get up to 100Mbps frame-relay 64 Kbps to 1.44 Mbps DS1 56 Kbps I imagine SLIP may actually be slighly faster due to decreased overhead for packet encapsulation. However, PPP can handle multiple protocols, multi-plex channels, is more robust, etc. etc. so I would recommend PPP. -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much disk space is required for a Debian ftp mirror? Without Incoming and WebPages, 1018149 Kbytes for the whole thing. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Hi,
I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that
I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently
I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know
how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of
all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of
harddrive space 10G in total).
Please advise and be descriptive because I'm quite novice in
this. Many THANKS!
Guy Maor wrote:
:
:Without Incoming and WebPages, 1018149 Kbytes for the whole thing.
:
:
:Guy
:
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NEC America, Inc. ASL
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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of harddrive space 10G in total). Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes are quite fast. If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is much more expensive than standard modems. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
