Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[deloptes]

Błażej Popławski wrote:

> I saw that someone wrote, that the drivers for SD are loaded at the
> booting time, so I assume that it should be straightforward: install
> OS (Debian) on SD with /boot and bootloader on USB stick. Without any
> additional work.

We've said that boot should be on USB as well

> I've done it once but it didn't started and in the act of anger I
> formatted both, SD and USB stick. Then I realized that I didn't set
> the boot flag for USB. :)

no surprise here
BTW boot flag shouldn't be an issue, but it depends on the bios.

> Installation took long hours (I read something about that issue) and
> for now I don't have the time to repeat that process.

Different issue.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Błażej Popławski]

2017-05-13 14:28 GMT+02:00 Brian :
> On Sat 13 May 2017 at 05:36:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 05/13/2017 04:59 AM, Brian wrote:
>> >On Fri 12 May 2017 at 09:08:50 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> >
>> >>In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
>> >>the flash drive at all times to launch the OS?"
>> >
>> >In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
>> >the hard disk drive at all times to launch the OS?"
>> >
>>
>> *ROFL* *!!!*
>> Please *READ* content before snipping.
>> I strongly suggest reading paragraph beginning "In my case I needed ..." in
>> potion you snipped ;/
>
> So the OP has no desire to test or demonstrate whether or not an SD card
> would function in his machine?
>
> --
> Brian.
>
>

There is a desire.
But I also have other things to do. I'm sorry but I cannot keep up to
date with the thread.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Błażej Popławski]

2017-05-13 20:44 GMT+02:00 Brian :
>
> On Sat 13 May 2017 at 13:07:31 +0200, Błażej Popławski wrote:
>
> > I don't have to do this for purpose. I was just wondering if it can be done
> > without much work spent on it.
> >
> > This laptop is an old Toshiba Satellite A300.
> > Main OS is Win7.
> > I have plenty of space on my hard drive. As I wrote, I'm just curious about
> > the answer.
>
> Does your curiosity extend to trying out any of the ideas expressed in
> this thread? Those who participated (and others) would find it useful to
> know how you went about booting into a Debian OS from a USB stick. The
> work involved seems very slight.
>
> --
> Brian.
>
>

As for now I've tried to do the same thing (for Ubuntu) as the author
of the wiki page which I linked at the beginning. But it didn't work
for me.
I saw that someone wrote, that the drivers for SD are loaded at the
booting time, so I assume that it should be straightforward: install
OS (Debian) on SD with /boot and bootloader on USB stick. Without any
additional work.
I've done it once but it didn't started and in the act of anger I
formatted both, SD and USB stick. Then I realized that I didn't set
the boot flag for USB. :)
Installation took long hours (I read something about that issue) and
for now I don't have the time to repeat that process.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Sat 13 May 2017 at 13:07:31 +0200, Błażej Popławski wrote:

> I don't have to do this for purpose. I was just wondering if it can be done
> without much work spent on it.
> 
> This laptop is an old Toshiba Satellite A300.
> Main OS is Win7.
> I have plenty of space on my hard drive. As I wrote, I'm just curious about
> the answer.

Does your curiosity extend to trying out any of the ideas expressed in
this thread? Those who participated (and others) would find it useful to
know how you went about booting into a Debian OS from a USB stick. The
work involved seems very slight.

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Sat 13 May 2017 at 05:36:56 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 05/13/2017 04:59 AM, Brian wrote:
> >On Fri 12 May 2017 at 09:08:50 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >>In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
> >>the flash drive at all times to launch the OS?"
> >
> >In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
> >the hard disk drive at all times to launch the OS?"
> >
> 
> *ROFL* *!!!*
> Please *READ* content before snipping.
> I strongly suggest reading paragraph beginning "In my case I needed ..." in
> potion you snipped ;/

So the OP has no desire to test or demonstrate whether or not an SD card
would function in his machine?

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Sat 13 May 2017 at 14:09:09 +0200, deloptes wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > it will work for Debian. The answer is "probably" but it is questionable
> > whether the advice to alter the initrd on the SD card need be followed.
> > Perhaps it was necessary for the Ubuntu kernel at the time the article
> > was written. The hardware involved would have to be known to more
> > definitive.
> 
> It will work definitely the same way as it is described in this Ubuntu
> artice.

Now that we know the OP's machine has a Ricoh card reader I agree
"probably" could be raised to "definitely". But the palaver of
altering an initrd is still unnecessary.

> As the article states, if your laptop can boot from SD no work is needed.
> If it works or not, you'll find right after you reboot ;-)

His machine cannot boot from an SD card.

> > Debian would need to be installed to the SD card and the *same" Debian
> > installed to the USB stick. lsinitramfs will help confirm whether needed
> > modules are in an initrd.
> 
> Not the same debian - you can install on the SD card and move or copy just
> the boot directory to the usb, so that grub and pre init can do the work.

I got carried away. :)

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Sat 13 May 2017 at 12:33:38 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

> Le 13/05/2017 à 11:56, Brian a écrit :
> >
> >The OP wonders if
> >
> >  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromSD
> >
> >it will work for Debian. The answer is "probably" but it is questionable
> >whether the advice to alter the initrd on the SD card need be followed.
> >Perhaps it was necessary for the Ubuntu kernel at the time the article
> >was written.
> 
> Not the kernel, but the default initramfs.

Indeed.

> I seem to remember reading a recent post reporting that a SD/MMC driver was
> missing in the default Debian initramfs.

Now fixed.
 
> >Debian would need to be installed to the SD card and the *same" Debian
> >installed to the USB stick.
> 
> Debian does not need to be installed on the USB stick. Only /boot and the
> boot loader.

Fair enough, but d-i is a quick, painless and friendly method to achieve
the same objective and keep stick and card in sync with updates.

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[deloptes]

Brian wrote:

> it will work for Debian. The answer is "probably" but it is questionable
> whether the advice to alter the initrd on the SD card need be followed.
> Perhaps it was necessary for the Ubuntu kernel at the time the article
> was written. The hardware involved would have to be known to more
> definitive.

It will work definitely the same way as it is described in this Ubuntu
artice.
As the article states, if your laptop can boot from SD no work is needed.
If it works or not, you'll find right after you reboot ;-)

> 
> Debian would need to be installed to the SD card and the *same" Debian
> installed to the USB stick. lsinitramfs will help confirm whether needed
> modules are in an initrd.

Not the same debian - you can install on the SD card and move or copy just
the boot directory to the usb, so that grub and pre init can do the work.

regards

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 13/05/2017 à 13:07, Błażej Popławski a écrit :

I don't have to do this for purpose. I was just wondering if it can be done
without much work spent on it.

This laptop is an old Toshiba Satellite A300.
Main OS is Win7.
I have plenty of space on my hard drive. As I wrote, I'm just curious about
the answer.


Deloptes' first reply provided the answer. To summarize :
- the boot loader and /boot must be on a bootable media,
- the kernel or initramfs must embed the drivers to access / and /usr.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Błażej Popławski]

I don't have to do this for purpose. I was just wondering if it can be done
without much work spent on it.

This laptop is an old Toshiba Satellite A300.
Main OS is Win7.
I have plenty of space on my hard drive. As I wrote, I'm just curious about
the answer.

2017-05-12 16:08 GMT+02:00 Richard Owlett :

> On 05/11/2017 03:58 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 05/11/2017 03:44 PM, Błażej Popławski wrote:
>>
>>> I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from
>>> internal
>>> SD card reader.
>>> Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and
>>> bootloader
>>> on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot Debian
>>> from USB
>>> stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run from SD
>>> card inserted
>>> in internal SD card reader?
>>> I've found such solution for Ubuntu
>>> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
>>> FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
>>> will work for Debian.
>>>
>>>
>> Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.
>>
>
> As mentioned elsewhere in this thread the original URL should have been
> shown as .
>
>
>> Whether you can do so in general case is disputed on this forum.
>> However I have done it on a Lenovo T510.
>> I'll post more later, am hot on trail of documenting a bug, if not
>> solving it.
>>
>
> I've given the referenced article an initial read.
> I can not comment on the details as that is not how I did it.
> It does raise two important questions:
>   1. Why do it?
>   2. Why do it in a specific manner?
>
> In that author's case he gives a partial answer to the first and none for
> the second.
>
> In my case I needed a test to demonstrate whether or not a particular SD
> could/would function in a recently purchased *USED* laptop with an unknown
> history.
> As I said in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html
>   "... the agreement with the store was if the card did not work in
>this machine I would not have to purchase it. My acceptance test
>was to install Jessie using a flash drive with DVD 1 of 13 of
>Debian 8.6.0."
>
> In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to
> have the flash drive at all times to launch the OS?"
>
> Other questions that could lead to better answers:
> What is the specific laptop?
> What is the current OS?
> How much free space is on the hard-drive?
> How important is speed? {In my particular case I found running from the
> flash drive significantly faster than running from the SD card.}
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/13/2017 04:59 AM, Brian wrote:

On Fri 12 May 2017 at 09:08:50 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
the flash drive at all times to launch the OS?"


In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
the hard disk drive at all times to launch the OS?"



*ROFL* *!!!*
Please *READ* content before snipping.
I strongly suggest reading paragraph beginning "In my case I needed ..." 
in potion you snipped ;/

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 13/05/2017 à 11:56, Brian a écrit :


The OP wonders if

  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromSD

it will work for Debian. The answer is "probably" but it is questionable
whether the advice to alter the initrd on the SD card need be followed.
Perhaps it was necessary for the Ubuntu kernel at the time the article
was written.


Not the kernel, but the default initramfs.
I seem to remember reading a recent post reporting that a SD/MMC driver 
was missing in the default Debian initramfs.



Debian would need to be installed to the SD card and the *same" Debian
installed to the USB stick.


Debian does not need to be installed on the USB stick. Only /boot and 
the boot loader.



lsinitramfs will help confirm whether needed modules are in an initrd.


Yup.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Fri 12 May 2017 at 09:08:50 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
> the flash drive at all times to launch the OS?"

In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to have
the hard disk drive at all times to launch the OS?"

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Fri 12 May 2017 at 23:34:05 +0200, deloptes wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > So, the question remains. Is creating an initrd on Debian really
> > necessary?
> 
> I am not at 100% sure, but AFAIK when you install the kernel mkinitramfs or
> update-initramfs would add the modules already used by the kernel at the
> moment of creation of the initrd. This could explain a lot.
> 
> As I explained before it is not possible to mount the root fs thus pass the
> boot process to init/systemd if you don't have the proper driver(s). If the
> drivers are included in the initrd it would boot ok, if not you are offered
> the limitted shell. So again initrd is needed unless you have the drivers
> compiled in the kernel. You can try this .. just remove the initrd line
> when you boot

The OP wonders if

  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromSD

it will work for Debian. The answer is "probably" but it is questionable
whether the advice to alter the initrd on the SD card need be followed.
Perhaps it was necessary for the Ubuntu kernel at the time the article
was written. The hardware involved would have to be known to more
definitive.

Debian would need to be installed to the SD card and the *same" Debian
installed to the USB stick. lsinitramfs will help confirm whether needed
modules are in an initrd.

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[deloptes]

Brian wrote:

> So, the question remains. Is creating an initrd on Debian really
> necessary?

I am not at 100% sure, but AFAIK when you install the kernel mkinitramfs or
update-initramfs would add the modules already used by the kernel at the
moment of creation of the initrd. This could explain a lot.

As I explained before it is not possible to mount the root fs thus pass the
boot process to init/systemd if you don't have the proper driver(s). If the
drivers are included in the initrd it would boot ok, if not you are offered
the limitted shell. So again initrd is needed unless you have the drivers
compiled in the kernel. You can try this .. just remove the initrd line
when you boot

regards

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/12/2017 02:27 PM, Brian wrote:

On Fri 12 May 2017 at 19:31:16 +0200, deloptes wrote:


Brian wrote:


Would creating an initrd really be necessary?


Using stock kernel in most cases yes. Using custom kernel, you can compile
the modules in and won't need initrd.


Richard Owlett accomplished it without anything special as regards an
initrd. His installation to the SD device was from a straight up-and-up
installer. It is very, very doubtful that the initrd on his HD had been
customised. Details at

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html

So, the question remains. Is creating an initrd on Debian really necessary?



For environment clarification *ONLY*
I had transferred contents of DVD 1 of 13 to a flash drive.
I then chose that "dvd" as my 'boot device'
   PLEASE note usage of ' and "

There is much happening that comfuzezes me ;/

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Fri 12 May 2017 at 19:31:16 +0200, deloptes wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > Would creating an initrd really be necessary?
> 
> Using stock kernel in most cases yes. Using custom kernel, you can compile
> the modules in and won't need initrd.

Richard Owlett accomplished it without anything special as regards an
initrd. His installation to the SD device was from a straight up-and-up
installer. It is very, very doubtful that the initrd on his HD had been
customised. Details at

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html

So, the question remains. Is creating an initrd on Debian really necessary?

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[deloptes]

Brian wrote:

> Would creating an initrd really be necessary?

Using stock kernel in most cases yes. Using custom kernel, you can compile
the modules in and won't need initrd.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/11/2017 03:58 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 05/11/2017 03:44 PM, Błażej Popławski wrote:

I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from
internal
SD card reader.
Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and
bootloader
on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot Debian
from USB
stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run from SD
card inserted
in internal SD card reader?
I've found such solution for Ubuntu
(https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
will work for Debian.



Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.


As mentioned elsewhere in this thread the original URL should have been 
shown as .




Whether you can do so in general case is disputed on this forum.
However I have done it on a Lenovo T510.
I'll post more later, am hot on trail of documenting a bug, if not
solving it.


I've given the referenced article an initial read.
I can not comment on the details as that is not how I did it.
It does raise two important questions:
  1. Why do it?
  2. Why do it in a specific manner?

In that author's case he gives a partial answer to the first and none 
for the second.


In my case I needed a test to demonstrate whether or not a particular SD 
could/would function in a recently purchased *USED* laptop with an 
unknown history.

As I said in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html
  "... the agreement with the store was if the card did not work in
   this machine I would not have to purchase it. My acceptance test
   was to install Jessie using a flash drive with DVD 1 of 13 of
   Debian 8.6.0."

In your case "Why install part of the OS to the SD card if you have to 
have the flash drive at all times to launch the OS?"


Other questions that could lead to better answers:
What is the specific laptop?
What is the current OS?
How much free space is on the hard-drive?
How important is speed? {In my particular case I found running from the 
flash drive significantly faster than running from the SD card.}


HTH

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Thu 11 May 2017 at 23:04:29 +0200, deloptes wrote:

> Błażej Popławski wrote:
> 
> > I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from
> > internal SD card reader.
> > Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and
> > bootloader on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot
> > Debian from USB stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run
> > from SD card inserted
> > in internal SD card reader?
> > I've found such solution for Ubuntu
> > (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
> > FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
> > will work for Debian.
> 
> You need the bootloader on the usb stick (grub). The bootloader would pass
> the loading of the kernel and initrd to the device where it is located. So
> it is advisable to put your boot directory on the usb stick as well. When
> you create the initrd, you should enable/include the drivers for the card
> reader, so that the boot process may find the root file system and start
> init/systemd 

Would creating an initrd really be necessary?

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Fri 12 May 2017 at 01:03:55 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Thu 11 May 2017 at 15:58:09 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

[]

> > However I have done it on a Lenovo T510.
> 
> No, you haven't. Read what the OP wants to do. The first post at
> 
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html
> 
> describes what you did. Not a USB stick in sight when it came to booting.

An unthinking comment; your HD took the place of a USB stick. So, yes,
you have done it.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Błażej Popławski]

The author had to write some short header, so he couldn't use to much words.
Maybe it should be written somehow like that: How to install and run your
OS on SD card when your PC doesn't allow for booting from it.
:)

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[David Wright]

On Thu 11 May 2017 at 15:58:09 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/11/2017 03:44 PM, Błażej Popławski wrote:
> >I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from 
> >internal
> >SD card reader.
> >Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and bootloader
> >on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot Debian from USB
> >stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run from SD
> >card inserted
> >in internal SD card reader?
> >I've found such solution for Ubuntu (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
> >FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
> >will work for Debian.
> >
> 
> Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.
> 
> Whether you can do so in general case is disputed on this forum.

It was discussed. Any dispute arose from stretching the terminology
beyond what Brian crystallised nicely in the terms "boot from" and
"boot into".

What the OP describes above is clearly "booting into". However, the
web page referred to is a good example of careless language:

Heading:
"How to install and boot *from* an SD card"
The next sentence contradicts it:
"…where the BIOS cannot boot *from* SD"

> However I have done it on a Lenovo T510.
> I'll post more later, am hot on trail of documenting a bug, if not
> solving it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Brian]

On Thu 11 May 2017 at 15:58:09 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 05/11/2017 03:44 PM, Błażej Popławski wrote:
> >I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from 
> >internal
> >SD card reader.
> >Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and bootloader
> >on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot Debian from USB
> >stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run from SD
> >card inserted
> >in internal SD card reader?
> >I've found such solution for Ubuntu (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
> >FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
> >will work for Debian.
> >
> 
> Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.
> 
> Whether you can do so in general case is disputed on this forum.

Really? Where? Certainly not in the thread starting at

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html

Somewhere else? A link, please. Or maybe you are thinking of some other
disputed topic.

> However I have done it on a Lenovo T510.

No, you haven't. Read what the OP wants to do. The first post at

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00329.html

describes what you did. Not a USB stick in sight when it came to booting.

-- 
Brian.

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 12/05/17 10:58, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Thursday 11 May 2017 21:58:09 Richard Owlett wrote:

FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
will work for Debian.

Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.

Works fine for me. :-/
Lisi


The original URL should have been 
. The original text was 
wrapped by MIME quoted-printable 
, which seems to have 
broken the URL for some email clients.


Appendix C of RFC 3986  
recommends delimiting URIs in plain text with angle brackets. This is 
especially useful for URLs used in flowing text where the interpretation 
of trailing punctuation might be ambiguous. I do not know if this would 
have helped with MIME quoted-printable.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 11 May 2017 21:58:09 Richard Owlett wrote:
> > FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
> > will work for Debian.
>
> Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.

Works fine for me. :-/

Lisi

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[deloptes]

Błażej Popławski wrote:

> I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from
> internal SD card reader.
> Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and
> bootloader on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot
> Debian from USB stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run
> from SD card inserted
> in internal SD card reader?
> I've found such solution for Ubuntu
> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
> FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
> will work for Debian.

You need the bootloader on the usb stick (grub). The bootloader would pass
the loading of the kernel and initrd to the device where it is located. So
it is advisable to put your boot directory on the usb stick as well. When
you create the initrd, you should enable/include the drivers for the card
reader, so that the boot process may find the root file system and start
init/systemd 

regards

Re: How to run Debian from SD card but booting from USB stick?

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/11/2017 03:44 PM, Błażej Popławski wrote:

I have a laptop which allows for booting from USB sticks but not from internal
SD card reader.
Is it possible to install Debian on SD card with /boot catalog and bootloader
on USB stick in such a way that it would work? I mean: boot Debian from USB
stick, but the whole system will be installed and will run from SD
card inserted
in internal SD card reader?
I've found such solution for Ubuntu (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot
FromSD) and I'm wondering if it
will work for Debian.



Your URL is garbled. I tried some quick fixes but didn't work.

Whether you can do so in general case is disputed on this forum.
However I have done it on a Lenovo T510.
I'll post more later, am hot on trail of documenting a bug, if not 
solving it.