Re: Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-08 Thread Mike Mcclain 
I went to the message you linked and then the site mentioned and downloaded a 
large /etc/hosts file that seems to send most of what was eating up cpu & 
memory to the bit bucket. Huge difference in FF response time, no hard drive 
grinding. Top now shows around 10% cpu usage and 80% memory.
Thank you very much,Mike

Re: Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-08 Thread Mike McClain

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-08 Thread tomas 
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> The Internet is like a big city - there are lots of bright lights
> and excitement, but also dark alleys down which the unwary get
> mugged.

with the difference that on the internet, it's the "bright lights"
where you get systematically mugged. Some of the dark alleys are
safe, some not.

Cheers
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Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread cgibbs 

Quoting deloptes :


RRRoy BBBean wrote:


Now, I have to temporarily enable between 20 and 200 domains every time
I do anything. I can't imagine what the www will be like in another 10
years...


indeed it changed negatively in the past 10-15y. it is now virtually
impossible to find useful information - only thing helps that google adapts
to your behavior and can match what you would like to find ... but after
they change this and start controlling the output (like youtube did few
months ago), it will be over - we'll have to start from scratch ... perhaps
a new version of the dark net.


Who would have thought that when Big Brother finally arrived, it would  
be not the government, but Google?  I boycott Google as much as  
possible.  For a search engine I use DuckDuckGo  
(https://duckduckgo.com), which proudly proclaims that it doesn't  
track you.  You can get satellite views from https://zoom.earth.  And  
so on.  And when I'm not surfing the web, my browser (Seamonkey, see a  
previous message) is shut down.


The Internet is like a big city - there are lots of bright lights and  
excitement, but also dark alleys down which the unwary get mugged.


--
char...@buygenesis.com (Charlie Gibbs)

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey 
On 11/7/17, RRRoy BBBean  wrote:
>> It has problems, especially with scripts. There are apparently simple
>> pages which will eat a third of a CPU, continuously.
>
> In the past, I have foolishly let my computer sit overnight, with FF
> open to a site which (it turned out, on later examination) continuously
> cycled video ads. I noticed the next morning that the room was 20
> degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal, and the computer had not gone to
> sleep as it should have. The processor had been maxed out all night
> long, loading and playing video ads. This converted my low-powered
> laptop computer into a very effective little heating unit.
>
> Since then, I have started using Adblock and Noscript together, and
> shutting down FF when not actively using it, which avoids this
> "heating" problem.
>
> Now, I have to temporarily enable between 20 and 200 domains every time
> I do anything. I can't imagine what the www will be like in another 10
> years...


CTRL+Tab, CTRL+R all the way down the line BEFORE I log onto dialup
Internet. Gets old when there's (literally) 300, 350 pages open...
AGAIN.

Even whichever one lets you refresh all pages at one time doesn't
really seem to help (me) at startup. Some will still start trying to
load and contact their mothership after I perform that refresh all
step.

Granted some of that will have to do with cookie refresh. BUT that
should NOT happen until **I** manually bring that cookie's webpage
back up live when **I** am ready to view it again.

Another half detail here, I've forgotten which one but one browser
gives us the opportunity to tell website apps that, NO, they may NOT
continue running in the background on our computers AFTER we close our
browsers down. I haven't seen that toggle switch in a few months, but
it does feel like I've seen it in at least the last year.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread deloptes 
RRRoy BBBean wrote:

> Now, I have to temporarily enable between 20 and 200 domains every time
> I do anything. I can't imagine what the www will be like in another 10
> years...

indeed it changed negatively in the past 10-15y. it is now virtually
impossible to find useful information - only thing helps that google adapts
to your behavior and can match what you would like to find ... but after
they change this and start controlling the output (like youtube did few
months ago), it will be over - we'll have to start from scratch ... perhaps
a new version of the dark net.

regards

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread RRRoy BBBean 
> It has problems, especially with scripts. There are apparently simple
> pages which will eat a third of a CPU, continuously.

In the past, I have foolishly let my computer sit overnight, with FF
open to a site which (it turned out, on later examination) continuously
cycled video ads. I noticed the next morning that the room was 20
degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal, and the computer had not gone to
sleep as it should have. The processor had been maxed out all night
long, loading and playing video ads. This converted my low-powered
laptop computer into a very effective little heating unit.

Since then, I have started using Adblock and Noscript together, and
shutting down FF when not actively using it, which avoids this
"heating" problem. 

Now, I have to temporarily enable between 20 and 200 domains every time
I do anything. I can't imagine what the www will be like in another 10
years...

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread David Wright 
On Tue 07 Nov 2017 at 08:34:44 (-0800), Mike McClain wrote:
> I run an older PC, Pentium3 w/ 512M memory which does everything I
> need but Iceweasel is killing me since the last couple of upgrades.
> 
> It's become such a memory hog that it ties up the system for minutes
> at a time.
> 
> How can I backup to the version of a couple of months ago?

Same here, though a lot depends on what else you're using the
system for, and whether you've been running another program
that needs lot of memory.

The single thing that's made most difference for me is the link in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/10/msg00386.html
(to which the operaphiles have not responded).
It probably makes no difference to rendering a page like itself,
but it cuts a lot of the downloading of stupid bits of code that
bring the elderly processor to its knees.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread Joe 
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:34:44 -0800
Mike McClain  wrote:

> I run an older PC, Pentium3 w/ 512M memory which does everything I
> need but Iceweasel is killing me since the last couple of upgrades.
> 
> It's become such a memory hog that it ties up the system for minutes
> at a time.
> 

It has problems, especially with scripts. There are apparently simple
pages which will eat a third of a CPU, continuously.

> How can I backup to the version of a couple of months ago?
> 

Do you always need it? It is very powerful and versatile, but the other
side of that coin is its size and sluggishness. Would a lighter weight
browser suit most of your needs? I keep Midori around (and Konqueror,
but that has plenty of baggage) and that will deal with most sites.

-- 
Joe

Re: Iceweasel woes

2017-11-07 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez 
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 08:34:44AM -0800, Mike McClain wrote:
> I run an older PC, Pentium3 w/ 512M memory which does everything I
> need but Iceweasel is killing me since the last couple of upgrades.
> 
> It's become such a memory hog that it ties up the system for minutes
> at a time.
> 
> How can I backup to the version of a couple of months ago?
> 
You can always download an upstream distribution.  If you want a Debian
package of a prior version, however, then the snapshot [0] service is
your best bet.  Just remember that old packages may have exploitable
vulnerabilities, regardless of the source of the package.

Regards,

-Roberto

[0] http://snapshot.debian.org/

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez