Re: A workaround was -[Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories]

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/30/2016 5:38 PM, Seeker wrote:

On 11/30/2016 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/29/2016 8:52 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:07:47 AM Verde Denim wrote:

On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I just looked at the intro of
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
interesting reading ahead.

Thank you.


I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the
permutated index are long gone.


 From this reply, I guessed that debtags was a dead project
(the page
referred
to apparently orignated in 2005, iiuc).

But, I dug a little deeper and found the following, which has a
copyright of
2011-2013, and may be fairly useful.

I went to:

  https://debtags.debian.org/search/

and, for kicks, queried on "diagnostic" and got 92 hits.

The page / project appears to still allow people to add new tags,
although I
didn't try that.

Let me (us) know how you make out if you try it...


I didn't find it satisfying. That is not to say the search
execution had
any inherent problems. There just didn't seem to be an appropriate
tag(s) for my goals.

I've been so focused on crating a fully custom install of
Debian on a
flash drive that I forgot having a batch of physical CDs with
free [as
in beer] diagnostic software. I'll check which of them are FOSS
and
search the repositories for them. If there enough, I'll look into
tweaking their tags so they can be found.

A second path is looking at descriptions of the software on
these CDs
and come up with a better set of keywords than I've been using.

Now to continue torture testing my laptop that no longer wants
to run
Jessie ;/




Did you find your way to axi-cache?

It's part of thhe xapian / apt-xapian-index stuff.

Still limited, but may give better results than using debtags
directory.

The packages descriptions don't always have the information either.

http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2010/debian/axi-cache/

https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/29/how-to-find-the-right-debian-packages-high-level-search-interface/


So knowing hard drives have SMART and there are self-test
functions, I
tried something like

axi-cache search smart hardware::storage

if my memory is correct.

In the time I spent with axi-cache I did not find a way to get it to
show diskscan without being specific that did not include a bunch of
scanner and other things the have scan in the name/tag/description.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=diskscan=names=stable=all




*THANK YOU* !
I haven't checked any of the links yet.
Your mention of "diskscan" got me browsing related man pages.
It got me rethinking my underlying problem which got me looking 
for packaged diagnostics in the first place. Must read them when 
fully awake ;/

Re: A workaround was -[Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories]

[Seeker]

On 11/30/2016 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/29/2016 8:52 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:07:47 AM Verde Denim wrote:

On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I just looked at the intro of
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
interesting reading ahead.

Thank you.


I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the
permutated index are long gone.


 From this reply, I guessed that debtags was a dead project (the page
referred
to apparently orignated in 2005, iiuc).

But, I dug a little deeper and found the following, which has a
copyright of
2011-2013, and may be fairly useful.

I went to:

  https://debtags.debian.org/search/

and, for kicks, queried on "diagnostic" and got 92 hits.

The page / project appears to still allow people to add new tags,
although I
didn't try that.

Let me (us) know how you make out if you try it...


I didn't find it satisfying. That is not to say the search execution had
any inherent problems. There just didn't seem to be an appropriate
tag(s) for my goals.

I've been so focused on crating a fully custom install of Debian on a
flash drive that I forgot having a batch of physical CDs with free [as
in beer] diagnostic software. I'll check which of them are FOSS and
search the repositories for them. If there enough, I'll look into
tweaking their tags so they can be found.

A second path is looking at descriptions of the software on these CDs
and come up with a better set of keywords than I've been using.

Now to continue torture testing my laptop that no longer wants to run
Jessie ;/




Did you find your way to axi-cache?

It's part of thhe xapian / apt-xapian-index stuff.

Still limited, but may give better results than using debtags directory.

The packages descriptions don't always have the information either.

http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2010/debian/axi-cache/

https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/29/how-to-find-the-right-debian-packages-high-level-search-interface/

So knowing hard drives have SMART and there are self-test functions, I
tried something like

axi-cache search smart hardware::storage

if my memory is correct.

In the time I spent with axi-cache I did not find a way to get it to
show diskscan without being specific that did not include a bunch of
scanner and other things the have scan in the name/tag/description.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=diskscan=names=stable=all

Later, Seeker

A workaround was -[Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories]

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/29/2016 8:52 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:07:47 AM Verde Denim wrote:

On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I just looked at the intro of
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
interesting reading ahead.

Thank you.


I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the
permutated index are long gone.


 From this reply, I guessed that debtags was a dead project (the page referred
to apparently orignated in 2005, iiuc).

But, I dug a little deeper and found the following, which has a copyright of
2011-2013, and may be fairly useful.

I went to:

  https://debtags.debian.org/search/

and, for kicks, queried on "diagnostic" and got 92 hits.

The page / project appears to still allow people to add new tags, although I
didn't try that.

Let me (us) know how you make out if you try it...


I didn't find it satisfying. That is not to say the search 
execution had any inherent problems. There just didn't seem to be 
an appropriate tag(s) for my goals.


I've been so focused on crating a fully custom install of Debian 
on a flash drive that I forgot having a batch of physical CDs 
with free [as in beer] diagnostic software. I'll check which of 
them are FOSS and search the repositories for them. If there 
enough, I'll look into tweaking their tags so they can be found.


A second path is looking at descriptions of the software on these 
CDs and come up with a better set of keywords than I've been using.


Now to continue torture testing my laptop that no longer wants to 
run Jessie ;/

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Joe]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 06:02:09 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:


> That search function is not suitable. Back in the days when a 
> library's catalog was a physical set of card-files there were 
> typically three "file cabinets" - one each for title, author, and 
> subject cards. By analogy, p.d.o only has information from "title 
> cards". I need a subject index.
> 

Try 'hardware' and 'test' in the package tool search of your choice.
There's a lot of hardware-specific stuff, and some irrelevant stuff,
but it should pick up the general hardware benchmark and test tools.

The Xapian plug-in for Synaptic, if you have it, seems to work well.

-- 
Joe

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:07:47 AM Verde Denim wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I just looked at the intro of
> > https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
> > It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
> > interesting reading ahead.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> 
> I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the
> permutated index are long gone.

From this reply, I guessed that debtags was a dead project (the page referred 
to apparently orignated in 2005, iiuc).

But, I dug a little deeper and found the following, which has a copyright of 
2011-2013, and may be fairly useful.

I went to:

 https://debtags.debian.org/search/

and, for kicks, queried on "diagnostic" and got 92 hits.

The page / project appears to still allow people to add new tags, although I 
didn't try that.

Let me (us) know how you make out if you try it...

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/29/2016 7:07 AM, Verde Denim wrote:



On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/29/2016 6:06 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

On Ter, 29 Nov 2016, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/28/2016 9:24 PM, Dave Thayer wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:26:47AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I went to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ looking for
test utilities.
The closest heading I found was "Utilities"
[https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/].
The only relevant entry I found there was "memtester
(4.3.0-3)".
I did not find "memtest86+" which I've used many times [It
was listed under
"Similar packages:" on
https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/memtester].
I found nothing for testing hard disks or video subsystems
.


p.d.o has a pretty good search function, this should point you
in the
right direction:



That search function is not suitable. Back in the days when a
library's catalog was a physical set of card-files there were
typically three "file cabinets" - one each for title, author,
and subject cards. By analogy, p.d.o only has information from
"title cards". I need a subject index.


I don't think there exists exactly what you want. debtags[0]
might be close, but I'm not sure how is the tagging status going.
There might be packages with insufficient tags (or even none at
all).

[0]https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags


I just looked at the intro of
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
interesting reading ahead.

Thank you.



I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the
permutated index are long gone.



???
Are you saying that Debtags is not a functional/functioning system?

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/29/2016 6:51 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 06:31:48AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]


I just looked at the intro of
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
interesting reading ahead.


In the meantime... would a full text search on the package descriptions
be a sufficient approximation for your needs? (I know: there is no
counterpart in the file cabinet analogy, except for possibly an inverted
index on the subtitle or something.

Then you could just choose the variant "Descriptions" on the "Search
package directories" part.



If you are reffering to searches such as
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=memory+test=all=stable=all 
. Doesn't give good results.


That one gives equal weight to:
Package memtester
jessie (stable) (utils): Utility for testing the memory 
subsystem

Package brainparty
jessie (stable) (games): 36 puzzle games for all the family
Package libdevel-cycle-perl
jessie (stable) (perl): Perl module to detect memory cycles 
in Perl objects


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Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 29 November 2016 12:51:52 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> [...]
>
> > I just looked at the intro of
> > https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
> > It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
> > interesting reading ahead.
>
> In the meantime... would a full text search on the package descriptions
> be a sufficient approximation for your needs? (I know: there is no
> counterpart in the file cabinet analogy, except for possibly an inverted
> index on the subtitle or something.
>
> Then you could just choose the variant "Descriptions" on the "Search
> package directories" part.

e.g.
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=all=hardware+test

You could play around with the search terms, and there are other options 
besides description and package name.

Lisi
>
> Regards
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Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Verde Denim]

On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/29/2016 6:06 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

On Ter, 29 Nov 2016, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/28/2016 9:24 PM, Dave Thayer wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:26:47AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I went to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ looking for
test utilities.
The closest heading I found was "Utilities"
[https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/].
The only relevant entry I found there was "memtester (4.3.0-3)".
I did not find "memtest86+" which I've used many times [It
was listed under
"Similar packages:" on
https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/memtester].
I found nothing for testing hard disks or video subsystems
.


p.d.o has a pretty good search function, this should point you
in the
right direction:



That search function is not suitable. Back in the days when a
library's catalog was a physical set of card-files there were
typically three "file cabinets" - one each for title, author,
and subject cards. By analogy, p.d.o only has information from
"title cards". I need a subject index.


I don't think there exists exactly what you want. debtags[0]
might be close, but I'm not sure how is the tagging status going.
There might be packages with insufficient tags (or even none at
all).

[0]https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags


I just looked at the intro of 
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of 
interesting reading ahead.


Thank you.


I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the 
permutated index are long gone.


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Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[tomas]

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 06:31:48AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

> I just looked at the intro of
> https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
> It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of
> interesting reading ahead.

In the meantime... would a full text search on the package descriptions
be a sufficient approximation for your needs? (I know: there is no
counterpart in the file cabinet analogy, except for possibly an inverted
index on the subtitle or something.

Then you could just choose the variant "Descriptions" on the "Search
package directories" part.

Regards
- -- tomás
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Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/29/2016 6:06 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

On Ter, 29 Nov 2016, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/28/2016 9:24 PM, Dave Thayer wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:26:47AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I went to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ looking for
test utilities.
The closest heading I found was "Utilities"
[https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/].
The only relevant entry I found there was "memtester (4.3.0-3)".
I did not find "memtest86+" which I've used many times [It
was listed under
"Similar packages:" on
https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/memtester].
I found nothing for testing hard disks or video subsystems
.


p.d.o has a pretty good search function, this should point you
in the
right direction:



That search function is not suitable. Back in the days when a
library's catalog was a physical set of card-files there were
typically three "file cabinets" - one each for title, author,
and subject cards. By analogy, p.d.o only has information from
"title cards". I need a subject index.


I don't think there exists exactly what you want. debtags[0]
might be close, but I'm not sure how is the tagging status going.
There might be packages with insufficient tags (or even none at
all).

[0]https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags


I just looked at the intro of 
https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html .
It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of 
interesting reading ahead.


Thank you.

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Ter, 29 Nov 2016, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/28/2016 9:24 PM, Dave Thayer wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:26:47AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I went to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ looking for test utilities.
The closest heading I found was "Utilities"
[https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/].
The only relevant entry I found there was "memtester (4.3.0-3)".
I did not find "memtest86+" which I've used many times [It was listed under
"Similar packages:" on https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/memtester].
I found nothing for testing hard disks or video subsystems .


p.d.o has a pretty good search function, this should point you in the
right direction: 


That search function is not suitable. Back in the days when a  
library's catalog was a physical set of card-files there were  
typically three "file cabinets" - one each for title, author, and  
subject cards. By analogy, p.d.o only has information from "title  
cards". I need a subject index.


I don't think there exists exactly what you want. debtags[0] might be  
close, but I'm not sure how is the tagging status going. There might  
be packages with insufficient tags (or even none at all).


[0]https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags
--
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/28/2016 9:24 PM, Dave Thayer wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:26:47AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I went to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ looking for test utilities.
The closest heading I found was "Utilities"
[https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/].
The only relevant entry I found there was "memtester (4.3.0-3)".
I did not find "memtest86+" which I've used many times [It was listed under
"Similar packages:" on https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/memtester].
I found nothing for testing hard disks or video subsystems .


p.d.o has a pretty good search function, this should point you in the
right direction: 


That search function is not suitable. Back in the days when a 
library's catalog was a physical set of card-files there were 
typically three "file cabinets" - one each for title, author, and 
subject cards. By analogy, p.d.o only has information from "title 
cards". I need a subject index.


Thank you.

Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories

[Dave Thayer]

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:26:47AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I went to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ looking for test utilities.
> The closest heading I found was "Utilities"
> [https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/].
> The only relevant entry I found there was "memtester (4.3.0-3)".
> I did not find "memtest86+" which I've used many times [It was listed under
> "Similar packages:" on https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/memtester].
> I found nothing for testing hard disks or video subsystems  monitor resolution tests>.

p.d.o has a pretty good search function, this should point you in the 
right direction: 

hth

dt

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