Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On 10/13/2008 11:30 PM, Carl Fink wrote: [...] This sounded really promising. I was going to try it. But now the stupid computer won't boot past setting the system clock in Linux. Still works fine in Windows. Time to reinstall again, I suppose. This is becoming stupid. I sincerely hope you can get your computer back to working soon. With that sort of problem, I recommend changing the CMOS backup battery if you haven't changed it in a couple of years. Use a hardware diagnostic CD first to help you narrow down the range of possible hardware problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On 2008-10-14 06:30, Carl Fink wrote: But now the stupid computer won't boot past setting the system clock in Linux. Still works fine in Windows. This happens occasionally on my lenny thinkpad as well ;-( (Last kernel upgrade?) Usually it will reboot just fine. HTH, Johannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Carl Fink engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: --} On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 01:18:25AM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: --} On 10/13/2008 11:30 PM, Carl Fink wrote: --} [...] --} This sounded really promising. I was going to try it. --} --} But now the stupid computer won't boot past setting the system clock in --} Linux. Still works fine in Windows. --} --} Time to reinstall again, I suppose. This is becoming stupid. --} --} I sincerely hope you can get your computer back to working soon. With --} that sort of problem, I recommend changing the CMOS backup battery if --} you haven't changed it in a couple of years. --} --} It works fine in Windows, or for that matter single-user mode. Not --} hardware. I'm tempted to go to Sid if that will get me a newer kernel. I've had that happen myself for the last couple of kernel upgrades on my laptop, but not very often. Just turn off at the wall switch, slip out battery if it's being used, and turn on and boot again and all's well for another series of boots. Since the last kernel upgrade this happens less but still does occur. I assume that it will rectify itself as the upgrades progress. HTH Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs against it. Bill Bernbach *** Debian, just the best way to create magic ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 01:18:25AM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: On 10/13/2008 11:30 PM, Carl Fink wrote: [...] This sounded really promising. I was going to try it. But now the stupid computer won't boot past setting the system clock in Linux. Still works fine in Windows. Time to reinstall again, I suppose. This is becoming stupid. I sincerely hope you can get your computer back to working soon. With that sort of problem, I recommend changing the CMOS backup battery if you haven't changed it in a couple of years. It works fine in Windows, or for that matter single-user mode. Not hardware. I'm tempted to go to Sid if that will get me a newer kernel. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
Carl Fink wrote: This is deeply weird and should be impossible. On an HP DV6100 laptop running a freshly-updated Lenny, I use Iceweasel 3 and the Flash library from Adobe, also updated today. I reinstalled Lenny last week. Starting Friday (I didn't use the laptop over the weekend) and continuing today (Monday), if I open any web page with a Flash movie on it, the computer freezes. I don't mean that X freezes, I mean the entire system. As a test, I ctrl-alt-F1'ed to a VT and ran sleep 3m; killall xdm. I've tested that invocation, and it does in fact kill X when the sleep expires. Then in an xterm I ran script iceweaselfreeze.txt ; iceweasel . Iceweasel loaded. I navigated to YouTube and tried to play a Captain Disillusion video. The first frame loaded, and then everything froze. The command in the VT failed to kill X, and I was forced to power-down to reset. The file iceweaselfreeze.txt is empty. snip On this laptop when were you able to play Captain Disillusion last? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On 10/13/08 10:50, Carl Fink wrote: This is deeply weird and should be impossible. On an HP DV6100 laptop running a freshly-updated Lenny, I use Iceweasel 3 and the Flash library from Adobe, also updated today. I reinstalled Lenny last week. Starting Friday (I didn't use the laptop over the weekend) and continuing today (Monday), if I open any web page with a Flash movie on it, the computer freezes. I don't mean that X freezes, I mean the entire system. As a test, I ctrl-alt-F1'ed to a VT and ran sleep 3m; killall xdm. I've tested that invocation, and it does in fact kill X when the sleep expires. Then in an xterm I ran script iceweaselfreeze.txt ; iceweasel . Iceweasel loaded. I navigated to YouTube and tried to play a Captain Disillusion video. The first frame loaded, and then everything froze. The command in the VT failed to kill X, and I was forced to power-down to reset. The file iceweaselfreeze.txt is empty. I can see a badly-behaved Flash plugin killing Firefox/Iceweasel. I can even see it freezing X. How can it freeze the script running in the VT? It's a really solid freeze--not only do ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-backspace stop working, so do Caps Lock and Scroll Lock and the rest. A test with konqueror freezes the entire system BEFORE the first frame of the Flash movie displays. The system remains stable indefinitely in Windows Vista, so if it's a hardware problem it's a subtle one. I haven't done extensive tests, but it seems to work far more stably in Knoppix, too. Nothing suspicious in syslog, not surprising considering how sudden and total the freeze is. Kernel issue? 2.6.24-1, FWIW. Xorg issue? Any debugging suggestions? Install another distro as a test? Is there an easily-accessible debug kernel or debug version of xorg? I'm a very experienced Linux user and former sysadmin, but not a systems programmer. Works for me... http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=wu77YbjTa38 iceweasel 3.0.3-2 flashplugin-nonfree 1.7.2 Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 xserver-xorg 7.3+17 nvidia binary driver 173.14.05 -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:14:29AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: On this laptop when were you able to play Captain Disillusion last? Before reinstalling Debian last week. It's not just that, though. Any Flash movie will solidly lock it. For instance, Pandora loads, then the laptop stops. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
Carl Fink wrote: This is deeply weird and should be impossible. On an HP DV6100 laptop running a freshly-updated Lenny, I use Iceweasel 3 and the Flash library from Adobe, also updated today. I reinstalled Lenny last week. Starting Friday (I didn't use the laptop over the weekend) and continuing today (Monday), if I open any web page with a Flash movie on it, the computer freezes. I don't mean that X freezes, I mean the entire system. As a test, I ctrl-alt-F1'ed to a VT and ran sleep 3m; killall xdm. I've tested that invocation, and it does in fact kill X when the sleep expires. Then in an xterm I ran script iceweaselfreeze.txt ; iceweasel . Iceweasel loaded. I navigated to YouTube and tried to play a Captain Disillusion video. The first frame loaded, and then everything froze. The command in the VT failed to kill X, and I was forced to power-down to reset. The file iceweaselfreeze.txt is empty. I can see a badly-behaved Flash plugin killing Firefox/Iceweasel. I can even see it freezing X. How can it freeze the script running in the VT? It's a really solid freeze--not only do ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-backspace stop working, so do Caps Lock and Scroll Lock and the rest. A test with konqueror freezes the entire system BEFORE the first frame of the Flash movie displays. The system remains stable indefinitely in Windows Vista, so if it's a hardware problem it's a subtle one. I haven't done extensive tests, but it seems to work far more stably in Knoppix, too. Nothing suspicious in syslog, not surprising considering how sudden and total the freeze is. Kernel issue? 2.6.24-1, FWIW. Xorg issue? Any debugging suggestions? Install another distro as a test? Is there an easily-accessible debug kernel or debug version of xorg? I'm a very experienced Linux user and former sysadmin, but not a systems programmer. Iceweasel plus swfdec on an amd64 works like a charm here too...(testing/unstable)...youtube and all that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:14:29AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: On this laptop when were you able to play Captain Disillusion last? Before reinstalling Debian last week. It's not just that, though. Any Flash movie will solidly lock it. For instance, Pandora loads, then the laptop stops. It seems to me you can only try a different Lenny or distribution. Those people that said WFM you don't know what kernel they are running. You mentioned Knoppix: are you able to play a Flash movie on that? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:35:58PM +0300, Aioanei Rares wrote: Iceweasel plus swfdec on an amd64 works like a charm here too...(testing/unstable)...youtube and all that. In my testing earlier this year, swfdec won't run multiple instances, which is a thing I like to do. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:16:25PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: It seems to me you can only try a different Lenny or distribution. Those people that said WFM you don't know what kernel they are running. You mentioned Knoppix: are you able to play a Flash movie on that? Like someone said in another thread, I was hoping to help. Nobody has ideas on how to actually find the cause of the problem? I'll test Knoppix when I get home tonight. I'm sure it doesn't come with the non-free Flash plugin, of course. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
Hi Carl, It's not just that, though. Any Flash movie will solidly lock it. For instance, Pandora loads, then the laptop stops. I don't know if my experience will help, but when the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package was updated to the 1.7.* series, I started experiencing freezes for about 30 seconds at a time just using my ISP's webmail interface. I ended up holding version 1.6.3 up until a couple of days ago, when I investigated more carefully and found that 1.7.* switched to using the Debian alternatives system -- to allow sysadmins to select the particular library which will provide support for Flash. See bug report 497385: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=128;bug=497385 Following the instructions there, I updated to flashplugin-nonfree 1.7.2 using 'aptitude', tested that I still had the problem with freezing (I did), closed Iceweasel, ran the suggested command line incantation in the bug report, update-alternatives --auto flash-mozilla.so then ran Iceweasel again. The result was that 1.7.2 now works as good for me as 1.6.3 ever did. I'm not sure this will solve your problem, but I'm hoping it helps you (or anyone else reading this). HTH, Dave W. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:50:02AM -0400, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I can see a badly-behaved Flash plugin killing Firefox/Iceweasel. I can even see it freezing X. How can it freeze the script running in the VT? It's a really solid freeze--not only do ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-backspace stop working, so do Caps Lock and Scroll Lock and the rest. It sounds to me like the kernel is locking up or the hardware is being wedged somehow (by which I mean a privileged driver is putting it into a bad state). It doesn't happen as often as it used to, but this is usually a sign of a bad driver somewhere: since you're playing a video, likely either your video or your sound driver, but your network driver is an outside possibility since you're using Youtube. And of course it could be an interaction between two of those...but I would suspect the video driver, just because those have a history of flakiness. What video card do you have and what driver are you using? Do you have DRI and/or Xv enabled, and can you disable them? Do programs like mplayer / totem work? Even if you enable all the bells and whistles? (Xv, etc) What about video games that use DRI or other forms of acceleration? e.g., something like Neverball. Is there any way to download the video and play it offline (to eliminate the network variable)? I don't know flash well, but selectively disabling video and audio would help too if it's possible. A test with konqueror freezes the entire system BEFORE the first frame of the Flash movie displays. I'd guess then that it's probably not the network. The system remains stable indefinitely in Windows Vista, so if it's a hardware problem it's a subtle one. I haven't done extensive tests, but it seems to work far more stably in Knoppix, too. Nothing suspicious in syslog, not surprising considering how sudden and total the freeze is. If you have the wherewithal and a spare system, you could try sending syslog messages to another computer, but I doubt you'd get much out of it. HTH, Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:51:36PM -0700, David Witbrodt wrote: I don't know if my experience will help, but when the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package was updated to the 1.7.* series, I started experiencing freezes for about 30 seconds at a time just using my ISP's webmail interface. I ended up holding version 1.6.3 up until a couple of days ago, when I investigated more carefully and found that 1.7.* switched to using the Debian alternatives system -- to allow sysadmins to select the particular library which will provide support for Flash. See bug report 497385: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=128;bug=497385 Following the instructions there, I updated to flashplugin-nonfree 1.7.2 using 'aptitude', tested that I still had the problem with freezing (I did), closed Iceweasel, ran the suggested command line incantation in the bug report, update-alternatives --auto flash-mozilla.so then ran Iceweasel again. The result was that 1.7.2 now works as good for me as 1.6.3 ever did. I'm not sure this will solve your problem, but I'm hoping it helps you (or anyone else reading this). This sounded really promising. I was going to try it. But now the stupid computer won't boot past setting the system clock in Linux. Still works fine in Windows. Time to reinstall again, I suppose. This is becoming stupid. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:51:36PM -0700, David Witbrodt wrote: ... ran the suggested command line incantation in the bug report, update-alternatives --auto flash-mozilla.so then ran Iceweasel again. The result was that 1.7.2 now works as good for me as 1.6.3 ever did. Hey, did you know that flashplugin-nonfree was removed from Lenny in preparation for stable release, because of concerns about security? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load web page with Flash movie -- System freeze?
... ran the suggested command line incantation in the bug report, update-alternatives --auto flash-mozilla.so then ran Iceweasel again. The result was that 1.7.2 now works as good for me as 1.6.3 ever did. Hey, did you know that flashplugin-nonfree was removed from Lenny in preparation for stable release, because of concerns about security? Yes, but I use Sid on my desktop machine... and currently don't use X on my 2 servers. There will be a way to obtain flashplugin-nonfree for Lenny when it's released... through backports, I believe. DW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
